Vitamin C - What You Don't Know May Kill You AND Why The USDA is Wrong

Originally posted by Yngvarr

Originally posted by smyleegrl
reply to post by Julie Washington

 

I took my first dose of liposil (sp?) Vitamin C today. Ordered it from Amazon to see if it worked before investing in the items to make it.

Today I've been much calmer, even in a high stress environment. I don't know if its due to the vitamin C, a spoke in my cycle, or aliens tinkered with my brain.

Today is also the first time in about three weeks I didn't need anxiety medicine.

Can't wait to see what happens after a week!

Mine came in from Amazon today as well and I have a cold, not real bad but enough to
drag me down a little. I'm going to give it a week too.

So you're going to wait a week, the amount of time it usually takes to get over a cold, then attribute yourself getting better to the vitamin C?
Did I read that right?

Im gonna see if i can order premade liposomal C from my local pharmacy later this month.I don't think i'll be able to afford the apparatus to make it myself,in my country everything is horrifically expensive.Tell me though,if i take 2-3 grams of C a day(2-3K mg) in pill form,would it not be enough,even allowing for the loss through urination? If its not,im gonna have to try+order the liposomal C.

Lots about vitamin c here

www.vitamincfoundation.org...

Great info and I feel GREAT due to Liposomal C.
I have to ask, though...
WHY do our bodies require levels of something that we cannot obtain naturally? It doesn't make sense to me. What did early man do without a jewelry cleaner, LoL...

Seriously, though, what went wrong with the vitamin C needs vs. absorption levels in primates on planet Earth?

Originally posted by new_here
Great info and I feel GREAT due to Liposomal C.
I have to ask, though...
WHY do our bodies require levels of something that we cannot obtain naturally? It doesn't make sense to me. What did early man do without a jewelry cleaner, LoL...

Seriously, though, what went wrong with the vitamin C needs vs. absorption levels in primates on planet Earth?

What an excellent question... of which I don't have the answer.

reply to post by Julie Washington


So...

Human beings according to you have been vitamin C deficient for hundreds of thousands of years?

I mean, you said we can't get enough from our diet.

If we as a species has thrived and multiplied, logic would dictate that we received "sufficient" amounts of vitamin C for hundreds of thousands of years in our diets.

And, according to you -- people that live "off the land" today ie; native and indigenous peoples still aren't getting enough vitamin C.

ETA: Just get some DMSO online, get some vitamin C powder and make a transdermal gel. So much easier than this lipo crap I've been seeing everyone going ga ga over.

Or, you can get some chewable prenatal vitamins and munch down two of them. This vitamin C stuff is getting ridiculous.

reply to post by Julie Washington


You are ignoring a very specific question asked by myself and one other poster here, which is how come humans did pretty well for the past hundreds of millenia, without resorting to food supplements. All you can do is put up some "OMG stroke cases are on the rise" graphic here. Non sequitur.

Vitamin C is good for you and all that, but it's sad to see that some people eschew basic critical thinking.

reply to post by new_here


I have a feeling the OP will claim that environmental factors today deplete vitamin C levels.

If you take anything in a high enough dose, your will experience a physical response. This is the same with any drug/substance.

What everyone is experiencing is not unlike that of a junkie taking higher and higher dosages of a substance, in order to illicit a physical response.

As you said, these levels of vitamin C are not found naturally in historic human diets.

I officially am nicknaming this the "Vitamin C Cult". I suppose there are worse drugs to get addicted to.

The Naysayers are WRONG on this topic.

1: Every single aspect of modern nutrition that actually works these days leans to a diet that more accurately reflects our "natural" diet. That vitamin C was a much larger part of it in the early days of hominid evolution through the dawn of modern civilization should be very apparent.

2: We can't even begin to get into modern foragers in a world in which they inhabit the worst locations possible in the modern world driven deep into jungles at best at worst for the majority pushed off into arid lands completely unlike normal habitations, I don't care where we look Native Americans, Maori whomever every "tribe" is marginalized and world population over flows... a few Hundred years ago as example the Navajo here in Arizona Might have still lived some of them around current reservation lands but the SCOPE of their foraging would have been vast and included all the rivers near by, today they have only a huge slab of dirt if water flows to provide citrus it's not theirs at all. Those same "natives" would have had all sorts of citrus that (if they didn't shop in supermarkets today) they would never even see, even in the deepest parts of the Amazon on Brazil these people are isolated they don't "Get" the length of the Amazon they "get" whats around where they hide and that's a very stark contrast to a "natural" setting

3: Studies are almost always impossibly inaccurate

And this is by far the biggest factor here. "Studies" haven't proved__________ is a meaningless assertion in regards to nutritional benefits

There are TWO ways to look at a failed study, The first is... 3 people of One Hundred took Mega doses of vitamin X and experienced miraculous healing the other 97 did NOT OR,,, # people experienced miraculous healing what factor did we MISS on the other 97 or set of variables.

It is virtually IMPOSSIBLE to conduct a long term study and really understand why it works for a FEW but not the rest but the IMPORTANT factor is it worked on some... You can do a 20 year study and get people to report once a month for 5.00 some basic things and you can screen them for the Obvious NO SMOKERS because we know smoking reduces vitamin C

But the real problem is people aren't Rats in a cage... some mitigating factors of the human condition, well... people will LIE

Does vitamin C stop Cancer... sure I bet it does BUT will it stop Cancer when exposed to horrific issues which it can't possibly control?

Take 100 people...

2 Probably have Plutonium or Uranium in them from atomic tests They will get cancer no matter how much Vitamin c thye take because Vitamin C can't cure Uranium....

Another 2 well they breathed in asbestos at some point

3 others took medications for conditions that were highly cancerous

another was exposed to jet fuel during the Iraqi war

2 others lived in NYC and the law required heavy duty pesticides to be sprayed in their apartment every month

Yet another Lied about doing Meth for 2 years

Another 3 had HPV

and 3 more had genetic conditions....


The thing is NOTHING can stop MAN CREATED CANCERS.... (well maybe not nothing but not vitamin C) But CAN vitamin C stop the natural formation of cancer...I believe so, I have seen... miraculous effects in some people personally.

So the bottom line is in natural conditions these things do work and help

It wasn't until this century we SEE any large amounts of cancer prior it was very rare indeed, a healthy person that eats right maintains high levels of what is needed has good oxygen flow etc, etc, yeah this stuff works

But no... it wont work if you forget to mention huffing 45 cans of paint when you were 15... or if you were raised in a radon filled basement or things of that nature, genetic damage isn't so readily repaired.

You fry your Telomeres to zero, sure it will protect the last 2 cell divisions and that gives you 18 months to live lol so yeah it wont "work" that way in any statistically significant way

But pursue it lifetime and avoid mitigating factors of toxic behavior it absolutely will

Is that EASY to do? NO rofl....

Not in the modern world dolphins have pcbs in them I mean come on.... but as part of an overall lifestyle of health this thread would be CORRECT you can avoid a lot, there are ways to flush

Miracle Pill? Magic Bullet.... yeah for 3 in 100

But mainly there is no Magic Bullet there is a much larger picture but none of this thread is intrinsically wrong.

Originally posted by penninja
The Naysayers are WRONG on this topic.

1: Every single aspect of modern nutrition that actually works these days leans to a diet that more accurately reflects our "natural" diet.

The fact that you put natural in double quotes means that you want to re-define this word. That's one of the few tools that pseudo-science has (if any) and it's used to push all sorts of conjectures as facts.

That vitamin C was a much larger part of it in the early days of hominid evolution through the dawn of modern civilization should be very apparent.

And that's another trick from the pseudo-science toolkit. Which is speak in absolute. "Hominid evolution" did not take place in a single location over a short period of time. You can't possibly tell anyone that for the past 200,000 years (actually more) the "hominids" were roaming forests surrounded by metric tons of vitamin C rich food. I know you would like to claim that, sadly there is no evidence.

Has there been any studies into the dangers of taking high doses of Vitamin C? I understand that it can cause diarrhea and stomach problems but I would like to see evidence of what can go wrong when you take this much before I just blindly go at it.

reply to post by Julie Washington


a lot of the stuff you have put in your thread i see in my kids ie rough skin
depression low iron slow healing always ill long term over weight
tiredness the list goes on

so i was just wondreing how much should i give my kids
at the moment they have minadex vitamins A,C and D
A 50% rda
D 100% rda
C 75% rda

should i just add a pure vitamin c to this?

maybe add liposomal vitamin c

reply to post by maryhinge


Rough skin can be indication of food allergies. A visit to a specialist would be helpful. Overweight means need to exercise.

Speaking of rough skin again, strawberries (as we found empirically) can at times be the culprit. Ironically, they are rich in Vitamin C.

reply to post by buddhasystem


kids have all been tested the only allergy is one of my twins is allergic to antibiotics (penicillin)
they walk /ride bikes or use their scooters every day to go to school and back
and even run round the house like lunatics go swimming on wednesday with the school
and on saturday so exercise is noy the issue thanks
strawberries cause rough skin? they do eat a lot of them
i just thought that they took after me for the rough skin

reply to post by Julie Washington


Thanks awesome thread.
I thought Iron helped you absorb more Vit C from foods and supplements. Up to 30%? more, maybe.
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reply to post by ZeussusZ


F Y I
Transdermal magnesium coated over the skin completely, will absorb into the skin and give a massive boost in minerals for the intake of nutrients, minerals and vitamins.

Without a good supply of minerals in the body we cannot absorb good things like Vitamin C.

Vit c does help you clear histamine but does it neutralize it?

One thing to be careful of...a lot of foods high in vit c...like citrus...are very histaminic.

That would seem to me to make it unlikely it actually neutalizes it.
Even antihistamines only do in a 1:1 molarity rate as I recall.

Originally posted by Julie Washington
NO. Because you body cannot absorb it quickly enough before it is eliminated in the urine.

Don't get me wrong - there is some benefit to that way, not not nearly at the levels I've stated.

The only way to recieve these levels of Vitamin C is through IV or Liposomal Vitamin C.

But the only way for the kidneys to eliminate it in the urine is for it to BE in the bloodstream.

So if that's true, then any method that delivers vitamin C to the bloodstream will be eliminated by the kidneys in the urine.

Right?

thanks for the info . We have a paralysis tick problem here during the dry season :
Asked a farmer on his cure for cows ,He said he3 injected them with Vitamin C and had a 90% success rate in otherwise fatal cases..

S&F Julie, with much gratitude for the time and excellent research you put into creating this very informative thread. I'd looked forward to it's creation since you mentioned it elsewhere. And in expanding my curiosity and research, just gave myself one more reason to continue with the liposomal vitamin C regimen I started yesterday..........Vitamin C for low bone density prevention.