Gun Debate Update from an Australian Policeman (Gun Control Doesnt Work for Crime)

I cant verify the authenticy of the Ed Chenel but the statistics are probably a matter of the public record:

From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia:

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the
real Figures from Down Under.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in
Australia were forced by a new law to Surrender
640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our
own Government, a program costing Australia
taxpayers More than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide,
homicides are up 6.2 percent, Australia-wide,
assaults are up 9.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed
robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 Percent)!

In the state of Victoria Alone, homicides with firearms
are now up 300 percent. (Note that While the
law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals
did not And criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed
a steady Decrease in armed robbery with firearms,
this has changed drastically Upward in the past 12
months, since the criminals now are guaranteed
That their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins
and Assaults of the elderly, while the resident is at home.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public
Safety has decreased, after such monumental effort
and expense was Expended in 'successfully ridding
Australian society of guns....' You Won't see this on
the American evening news or hear your governor
or Members of the State Assembly disseminating
this information.

The Australian experience speaks for itself. Guns
in the Hands of honest citizens save lives and property
and, yes, gun-control Laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it's too late! Will you be one
of the sheeple to turn yours in? WHY? You will need it.

% is useless when you don't have the numbers behind.

One guy killed one year, to two guys killed next year is a raise at 100 %.

Second thing i noticed in this debate is the stupid connection between crime( which is a problem, but a different problem) and suicidal maniacs going on a shooting spree killing innocent people an mass.

The last one is the problem which should be disscuss, not the crime, they try find a solution to the shooting spree problem, to save innocent people's life, especialy children, you know like those 20 who lost their life in the last case.

They are not trying to take the guns away from the Us citizens, they are trying to restrict the availibility of guns for maniacs.

They can maybe not remove the problem completly, but maybe they will be able to lower the casualties in the future.

reply to post by Mianeye

Our problem is more of a "Violent Lunatic" problem than it is a problem with the tool (guns) used by said lunatics. Prescription psychotropic drugs are obviously exacerbating the mental illness (major side effect) of these people. We can not ban mental illness so we have to do a better job of containing it (treatment and confinement?).

reply to post by CosmicCitizen


Here is information that Illustrates better what you just said:


Japan
0.06 guns for every 100 people (lowest of nations)
0.07 Gun related Deaths for every 100,000 people

Chile
10.7 Guns for every 100 people (10+ more than Japan)
0.06 Gun related deaths for every 100,000 people (0.01 less than Japan) - (Lowest of all nations)

United States
88.8 Guns for every 100 people (88 times more than Japan, so we should have at the very least 80 gun related deaths for every 100,000 people)

10.2 gun related deaths every 100,000 people (not quite the numbers you will expect if guns were the issue)

El Salvador
5.8 Guns for every 100 people (1/2 of weapons than Chile — 15 times less than the US)
50.36 gun related deaths every 100,000 people (5+ more than in the US)

I also found that in the US 26 % of the population has some kind of mental issues... That to me is the problem we are not addressing.



links to info:

www.nimh.nih.gov...

www.gunpolicy.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by yuniorsan

Thank you for the "Update" that edifies what the cop down under was reporting.

reply to post by Mianeye

With 300 Million guns you wont remove them from society by putting on a few more restrictions - unless these mentally ill people were buying their guns from other individuals walking around at gun shows (if you go to a gun show and buy a gun from a dealer set up there then you have to wait for the de rigeur background check). Maybe we should consider more ways to protect society from these people (not the guns that they acquire illegally). We dont have insane asylums anymore because of the abuses - maybe we should look at having them again and just correcting those abuses rather than prescribing drugs with known violent side effects and then turning them loose.

reply to post by yuniorsan


Excellent post...

Gun crime has gone down in Australia but not by very much in the grand scheme of things. But I guess thats not the issue. The issue is whether crime rates across all boards have dropped since the gun laws took effect.

Gun crime statistics
Crime statistics 1994-2010
Trends of weapons used in violent crime

You will notice that after the laws were passed that there was a dramatic increase the following year in gun incidents. It would seem that this is decreasing over the years but it hasn't erased gun crimes in Australia, not even by half.

The links above has some interesting facts but by the looks of it, I wouldn't be surprised if they were also fabricated.