Satanist Hitman Stopped From Killing Target By A Powerful Light That Burned His Hand

Originally posted by oddpenguin
True Satanism has nothing to do with human sacrifice.

What does it have to do with? Charity and helping the homeless?

reply to post by Superhans


Homicides are committed by people who Claim to be Christians, but yet whose actions proved in fact they are not....

i think its safe to say(and fact) that theists have a lot more of unjustified MURDER, blood, rape and slavery in their history then any other belief in anything EVER.

end of story.

Originally posted by Superhans
reply to post by DarknStormy

 

Seriously? If I were to list homicides committed by Christians and atheists ATS would just blow up. Statistically Satanists are one of the safest groups to be around.

....casually quips the guy with the Ted Bundy avatar....



Okay, now I'm definitely not normally one to purposely or inadvertently start or perpetuate a Satanic-murderer panic. However, I do have a few issues with your comment.

1- Statistically? Source please? Or by "statistically" do you really mean "according to a statistic I just kinda made up on the spot?"

Maybe you just meant that as a figure of speech. In which case, I really don't agree with that usage. "Statistically" usually implies that a statistic has been determined via research and data collection.



2- If you know much about "Satanism" you may have realized that there is not one type of "Satanist." Unfortunately many people still seem to fall into this trap. A lot of christians and other "conservatives" believe that all "Satanists" worship a literal, supernatural dark lord. A lot of people who have studied religions outside of christianity or the mainstream (especially some dabblers in the occult) believe that Satanism is only, or primarily groups like LaVey's Church of Satan-- groups which do not believe in a literal supernatural Satan... but rather are more along the line of atheists, or self-deists.

The reality is that both groups exist. And who knows... there may even be a little bit of a cross-over.

That said-- I don't know why you would claim that someone would be "safer" around a person or persons who truly believed that there was a supernatural, evil "god" who delighted in and took worship from those who committed "evil" deeds. Some people really do believe this.

Which leads me nicely to my next point....


3- Given your avatar, I'm not sure I need to really explain this one. Two words: Richard Ramirez.


4- Now, I've known a few LaVey styled (Church of Satan) satanists... and they seemed okay enough. I'm sure there are CoS members out there who are decent people. But keep in mind that even those CoS members who do not believe in a literal Satan believe that each man is his own highest god, and should hold himself in the highest regard. Satanists make their own moral codes. As such, some satanists may behave consistently in a manner which society at large would find morally acceptable, and some satanists may do so only when they have to for appearances sake-- otherwise doing whatever would bring themselves greatest pleasure... even at the expense of others. In that case, it would very much be a matter of that person's own, particular "moral compass."

Even so, however.... while I wouldn't be shaking in my boots, I would certainly (and have been) wary around any person who I knew to have "Myself and happiness are priority #1 in this world" as a basis for personal philosophy.

reply to post by DarknStormy


As a former (unofficial) member of the Church of Satan, I can tell you it does not involve:

Child sacrifice
Human sacrifice
Animal sacrifice
Demonic invocation
Communication with the dead
Vampirism
Demonic possessions
Sending hitmen out to kill people
Actual worship of Satan

Originally posted by Superhans
reply to post by EfficientP

 

I just don't believe it, if you look at the crime data Satanists actually are probably the safest group to hang around. Human sacrifice was really just a hot media item in the 90s and helped David Icke write a bunch of books, in reality it really does not happen.

That is what satan would like people to believe... It's all fantasy and sacrifices never happen? It happens a lot, sick rituals of all kinds.. black magic rituals that are extremely sadistic.. Google or any other search engine and you can find 10's of thousands of cases of it happening...

google ex satanist and find tons of testimony from them of their real life experiences..

No, God does not always allow this junk to happen unopposed...

The poster mentioning that song when he got to those certain lyrics was not a fluke.. It was God showing him that he did not want him saying them..
God has shown me things also. I hope he keeps on showing people, so they see the truth of their situation, whatever it might be. Yes, there is someone out there that cares about you

There is someone more powerful than satan by far.. The OP video has the person telling about what happened, and his "boss" would not tell him what was causing the light and the barrier to them entering.. Satan doesn't want to inform his victim helpers that there is someone else out there who can stop his actions without any resistance whatsoever...

No, it is not a fantasy..

reply to post by ManjushriPrajna


So what does it consist of then? And with that, I understand that the church you speak of may not practice the rituals you have mentioned, but that doesn't mean a goth, or someone in society is going to follow the doctrines of that church when they are practicing Satanism.

reply to post by DarknStormy


It's mainly what I call "theatrical antitheism". They're opposed to religion, Christianity in particular, and make fun of it by holding similar rituals, such as mocking communion or mass. But in viewing Satan as a symbol, they don't worship Satan but celebrate what they feel to be man's true animal nature, whose purpose is to enjoy life. It's a very "live and let live" personal philosophy, but they make no bones about going against the "turn the other cheek" belief. They feel force should be met with like-force, rather than passivity.

But Satan worship and Satanism are not the same, and if any Goth kids are running around sacrificing house pets or killing themselves over Satan, they're certainly not following what I call classical Satanism.

reply to post by ManjushriPrajna


If thats what they do then fair enough, I don't see the harm in mocking religion if it makes you feel better

reply to post by iwilliam

1- Statistically? Source please? Or by "statistically" do you really mean "according to a statistic I just kinda made up on the spot?"

Not made up at all. I can guarantee that for every Satanist murderer there is I can find way more killers that were Christian or atheist. Serriously, make a list of Satanist murderers and I will show that there are more Christian and atheist killers.
Hitler was a Christian and killed 6 million
Stalin was an atheist and killed 20 million.
so we have 26 million killed by atheists and Christians. Can you find 1 million deaths that can be attributed to Satanists, 500,000 , 100,000? Didn't think so.

2- If you know much about "Satanism" you may have realized that there is not one type of "Satanist." Unfortunately many people still seem to fall into this trap. A lot of christians and other "conservatives" believe that all "Satanists" worship a literal, supernatural dark lord. A lot of people who have studied religions outside of christianity or the mainstream (especially some dabblers in the occult) believe that Satanism is only, or primarily groups like LaVey's Church of Satan-- groups which do not believe in a literal supernatural Satan... but rather are more along the line of atheists, or self-deists.

You just kind of threw that in there, I have not even touched on what Satanism is.

3- Given your avatar, I'm not sure I need to really explain this one. Two words: Richard Ramirez.

Wow, you named one guy. ONE!!!

Then you just kind of go off on a tangent about something that has nothing to do with this and honestly don't care about. I never said there was one type of Satanist nor did I explain what a Satanist is so you really should be talking to the guy that wrote this thread about what "Satanist" means, not me.

Originally posted by Superhans
Statistically Satanists are one of the safest groups to be around.

As long as you follow your instructions...

Originally posted by DarknStormy
Doesn't it? What if it does happen and the Media just cover it up these days?

I know someone who actually knew John Bunting who was apparently the ringleader in the Snowtown murders. Apparently he was right into "devil worship" and the occult. Apparently, he cooked and ate parts of his victims.

Not that we'll ever know the true story behind the murders, though. The trial was all behind closed doors because, obviously, someone high up didn't want the public knowing what really happened.

We were, however, presented with a movie telling us what happened over 10 years later though...

reply to post by EfficientP


I just wanted to say, I appreciate your presence here at ATS very much. It gives me much hope knowing that there are others who care about the truth.

reply to post by EfficientP


100% Pure BS!

Originally posted by Superhans
reply to post by iwilliam

 

1- Statistically? Source please? Or by "statistically" do you really mean "according to a statistic I just kinda made up on the spot?"

Not made up at all. I can guarantee that for every Satanist murderer there is I can find way more killers that were Christian or atheist.

While that is likely true, that isn't statistically relevant, as you'd have to quantify the number of Satanists, Christians and atheists and demonstrate that the percentage, not number, of criminals is lower for Satanists.

However, that doesn't address this:

if you look at the crime data Satanists actually are probably the safest group to hang around

Again, where is this crime data that you're citing, and how does it show that Satanists are safer than my sample groups of elderly nuns, Japanese-American librarians and pacifist-leaning Quakers?

If there is no such crime data, then you're presenting anecdotal evidence and your own opinion, neither of which are relevant.

reply to post by EfficientP


I don't like their rites of sacrifying humans, that means, making criminal acts according to laws. But, they have their right to believe in what they want.

But, how come the strange light didn't come and stop the zillions of other murders?

So a God or some strange force just stopped that one Satanist murder? Just the one? Is he too busy to stop it happening at other times? Maybe God has an Xbox 360 and can't always be bothered to stop murders with strange lights?

Originally posted by Superhans
reply to post by iwilliam

 

1- Statistically? Source please? Or by "statistically" do you really mean "according to a statistic I just kinda made up on the spot?"

Not made up at all. I can guarantee that for every Satanist murderer there is I can find way more killers that were Christian or atheist. Serriously, make a list of Satanist murderers and I will show that there are more Christian and atheist killers.
Hitler was a Christian and killed 6 million
Stalin was an atheist and killed 20 million.
so we have 26 million killed by atheists and Christians. Can you find 1 million deaths that can be attributed to Satanists, 500,000 , 100,000? Didn't think so.

2- If you know much about "Satanism" you may have realized that there is not one type of "Satanist." Unfortunately many people still seem to fall into this trap. A lot of christians and other "conservatives" believe that all "Satanists" worship a literal, supernatural dark lord. A lot of people who have studied religions outside of christianity or the mainstream (especially some dabblers in the occult) believe that Satanism is only, or primarily groups like LaVey's Church of Satan-- groups which do not believe in a literal supernatural Satan... but rather are more along the line of atheists, or self-deists.

You just kind of threw that in there, I have not even touched on what Satanism is.

3- Given your avatar, I'm not sure I need to really explain this one. Two words: Richard Ramirez.

Wow, you named one guy. ONE!!!

Then you just kind of go off on a tangent about something that has nothing to do with this and honestly don't care about. I never said there was one type of Satanist nor did I explain what a Satanist is so you really should be talking to the guy that wrote this thread about what "Satanist" means, not me.

edit on 11-1-2013 by Superhans because: (no reason given)

I also think that 'probably' Satanists aren't that high on the murder tally sheet.

However, I think the statistics here are flawed because surely we have to take into account the percentages of Christian/Aethists vs the number of Satanists?

Like when comparing Motorcyle deaths vs Cars, you first have to account for what % population they repsesent?

ugh, maybe that doesn't read well but hopefully you see what I mean.

I would think abyone with the inclination to look could probably find a whole load of Christian murders (Cruisades/Wars etc) compared to Satanists.

I would bet a few quid that Satanists are among the most statistically low murderer rates.

anyhow, back to my point...

why did some unknown power decide to stop just this one murder? just one... couldn't even be bothered to maybe stop the Japan earthquake or something a little bigger?

I'm sitting on the fence with yes/no for a God, but stuff like this makes me think there's definitely not. What kind of arse (ass) hole would just decide to intervene every hundred million deaths or so....

Originally posted by ted4d
But, how come the strange light didn't come and stop the zillions of other murders?

So a God or some strange force just stopped that one Satanist murder? Just the one? Is he too busy to stop it happening at other times? Maybe God has an Xbox 360 and can't always be bothered to stop murders with strange lights?

Hehehehehe...good ripost.

Originally posted by Superhans
reply to post by EfficientP

 

I just don't believe it, if you look at the crime data Satanists actually are probably the safest group to hang around. Human sacrifice was really just a hot media item in the 90s and helped David Icke write a bunch of books, in reality it really does not happen.

It was the 60's that gave a huge rise in to the Satanic cult. I'm old, trust me, I remember many cop shows from the 60's and 70's that were crime occult focused. For reference I give you Charles Manson.