Alien disclosure and society collapse, what are the possibilities?

reply to post by SloAnPainful


Maybe, this is the ultimate chicken or the egg question, but my point was that if a higher entity created us, regardless of imagry, and by basic reasoning is an alien, this theology remains that he will return, therefore intervention is possible on various fronts, the religious aspect remains that some may view this as his promise fulfilled, and others will not, even seperate understanding of an actual disclosure can have huge implications.

reply to post by teslahowitzer


I'm not disagreeing. My initial reply was to what SLAYER69 posted.

There are many factors that come with disclosure, religion, aliens ect. I'm almost positive though that our gov't won't ever disclose anything to us at all. The aliens themselves will have to disclose themselves for us to get any disclosure. But that is just my two cents.

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reply to post by gortex


Speak for yourself. Visitation is not in doubt if you have seen one of their craft flying thru the sky.

reply to post by spiritualarchitect

you think they would get active? what do you think it would take for them to make their move? SAP says the govt stays quiet. there are the 3 levels of this, ET, TPTB, and us.

reply to post by teslahowitzer


I just spent Slo’s two cents. The military cannot tell us anything if they are involved with aliens who abduct citizens for experimental purposes, which according to the whistleblowers is what is going on. The aliens seem to have no need to tell us anything either. Not on a massive scale anyway. It would take some event like a saucer crashing on a freeway to bring disclosure out into the open.

I do not see why there would be any drastic change in civilization if disclosure was made. Everyone is aware of the ideas of aliens. I have a feeling that is a big excuse generated by those wanting cover-up. I doubt people would all of a sudden doubt the existence of God. The church would just absorb the aliens into Gods plan. Something had to create them.

Originally posted by spiritualarchitect
reply to post by gortex

 

Speak for yourself. Visitation is not in doubt if you have seen one of their craft flying thru the sky.

For you maybe not but we have no real evidence of visitation , that doesn't mean it doesn't exist there may well be evidence locked away in some facility somewhere but 99.9% of the population aren't privy to it .

reply to post by teslahowitzer

Excellent question and topic.

There are surveys that say most Americans believe there's a UFO cover up. Most Americans, however, still believe in some God more than ETs. Then there's a British survey that says it's reverse over there (more believe in UFOs than God).

These findings can reveal the likely outcome of mass hysteria. It's known that religious people are most likely to reject challenges to their sacred beliefs. Most don't even realize it, so denial and dismissals run rampant. Take this forum, for example. There are still too many cynics. It gets under their skin like nothing else.

So while sheeple will be sheeple, the likelihood of a society collapse pivots on what the vast majority believes.

And this is why those who have the power to do something about it, having the most to lose (see Richard Dolan), are doing everything they can to spread propaganda.

Personally, I do think that today, society is just not ready for disclosure. So yes, collapse is very possible. There are too many ignorant, militant, individuals and groups — too many people who own guns, for example. Then there are the jokers who fuel the risk by enjoying mockery of the matter (instead of growing up).

We will all find out eventually (i hope)

i don't think it will make a difference now, if disclosure happens tomorrow, or in a 100 years, the public's reaction will be the same,

Considering the statistics that way over 50% of us all accept life exists elsewhere. i cannot see these numbers increasing any higher until real physical evidence is presented. the other percentage require greater evidence other than the overwhelming testimony!. which is fair to some considering the extent of the claims.

i believe the trickle feeding of the population has hit its saturation point now, and if there was such a thing as timing for alien disclosure the effect of releasing this info now, will have the same public reaction a 100 years from now.

the public will have to face it one day. of course alot will be shocked and scared. but timing will not change this

reply to post by SkuzzleButt


very possible, you look at the links from Skeptic, (hi Skeptic, always a pleasure), The UK seems to be ahead of the proverbial curve on this, I do not mean anti religion as a whole, but the fact that there could be a relating factor between them. You open the eyes of a sector and expand the thought process and you have a more "prepared mass". Once some of TPTB understand their lifespan and implications of it, someone will let the kitty out of the bag in a big way, only a matter of time, but I can see intervention before a major event, or after. There will be debunkers, always are, they have the missourian complex, "you gotta show me" (no disrespect).

I got an e-mail from a friend whom is not a member and cannot post. She states that Cayce said something to the level of outside intervention in the wake of a disaster, I do not recall this in any of my readings, anyone know of this? semi-related although minimal.

I think that it's more about fear of losing control of the people if disclosure happened. That's their meltdown, not ours. Sure we'd have a few crazy reactions but I think the majority of people would handle disclosure pretty well. Do you guys think there's a reason places like the Vatican have now said "it's okay if ET exists, we can't limit gods creations" recently?

RS

Originally posted by robbystarbuck
I think that it's more about fear of losing control of the people if disclosure happened. That's their meltdown, not ours. Sure we'd have a few crazy reactions but I think the majority of people would handle disclosure pretty well. Do you guys think there's a reason places like the Vatican have now said "it's okay if ET exists, we can't limit gods creations" recently?

RS

They absolutely have a motive, the implications of such a statement surely rocked the world of some of the faithful that hinge on every word. It seems sometimes the Vatican wants to be all to all, but a statement of that magnatude reaches past the heart and mind, it says something really loud to me, especially given their resourses and connections, I can only imagine what they have hidden from the world to maintain their base. I still think there is more to come and possibly soon.

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reply to post by oxjondoexo


understanding the message and it's intent, why the ad here? this is a search for answers that you will not find on a sidewalk with a cardboard sign.

reply to post by FormerSkeptic


With all of the crap, and I mean crap, going on today, our dictator with his exec orders and the financial circus, The ME nightmare, and so forth, this world could not be in more unstable times, one spark and holy crap, these issues effect the whole planet's population in one degree or another, and very well could set humans back conciderably more than most realize, the awakening is very near, lines that have been drawn are starting to see activity, and no answers are on the horizion. The days ahead will be interesting. I am not hoping for anything, repeat anyting to set things off nor waiting for a superior being to interfere, I am just saying that timing could not be better. A relief valve would be great, but also may not exist as the pressure of the world builds.

Originally posted by RP2SticksOfDynamite

If they do exist and evidence is indicative that they do and have been visiting earth for a long time then full disclosure would probably result in pandemonium

Earth would be an unsafe place and not just because of ET but of our own kind

Law and order would breakdown

Society would multi-divide into smaller groups making earth a dangerous place

TPTB know this!

This is not true. Historically when faced with external threats, whether real or perceived, people turn towards their existing governments more strongly. Authoritarianism becomes more popular. This is how fascism works.

More likely there would be popular demand for increased militarism and futile spending on "star wars" lasers etc and lots of propaganda from eager contractors out to make a few billion dollars.

Originally posted by mbkennel

Originally posted by RP2SticksOfDynamite

If they do exist and evidence is indicative that they do and have been visiting earth for a long time then full disclosure would probably result in pandemonium

Earth would be an unsafe place and not just because of ET but of our own kind

Law and order would breakdown

Society would multi-divide into smaller groups making earth a dangerous place

TPTB know this!

This is not true. Historically when faced with external threats, whether real or perceived, people turn towards their existing governments more strongly. Authoritarianism becomes more popular. This is how fascism works.

More likely there would be popular demand for increased militarism and futile spending on "star wars" lasers etc and lots of propaganda from eager contractors out to make a few billion dollars.

edit on 10-1-2013 by mbkennel because: (no reason given)

good point, there would be a lot of people from all countries that would firmy turn to their govt, that is all they know and are somewhat comfortable with them. This is another part of the division that will be created when such an event takes place, some jumping off the religion bandwagon will join this group, others will not, society could very well be all over the board in complete freak out mode with no ideia where they are going.

reply to post by FormerSkeptic


Good post.

So far an excellent read.

I think disclosure is coming very slowly, Mars rover drilling more curiosity rovers to follow, space tourism. More worlds given the earth like status, soon be bacterial life found and then we'll, slowly progress to contact made.

reply to post by teslahowitzer


Many different scenarios, nature has a way of correcting things. I mean if we think of recent viruses and the ones we also create.
Either nature will create a super virus and wipe out 90% + of us or we'll inadvertently release one.

History will repeat itself and the elite will go on controlling those who haven't got the knowledge of what previously happened.

What collapse? In the Maldives, nearly every building was destroyed by a tsunami. But life goes on in the Maldives, as well as in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. By comparison, disclosure is no big deal.

If evidence were found that astronomers on a planet a dozen light-years away were observing Earth, that might not even make front-page news, as long as there were no indications that they were coming here.

If there is disclosure without contact, products on the market don't suddenly become obsolete, there shouldn't be any really devastating impact, and any shock should wear off soon enough.