Something I really don't get about schools?

Everyone seems to neglect the part about raising the cow, slaughtering the cow, butchering the cow...

And then having the grind the meat (frozen is best, if you have a freezer) to make the ground beef needed to form the patties =D

If you really want to teach them something, learn how to do this without electricity -- and invite your community of friends along for a feast of beef, and then give them meat to take home so they can cook or preserve it.

reply to post by dc4lifeskater

That is a brilliant idea-so its safe to say,it will never be implemented.In my country,there's never been such a thing as school lunches,the parents have to supply their children's lunch,or tuck shop money.Most kids here get a sandwich and a fruit or something like that from home.The tuck shops at many schools do provide food like premade sandwiches,hot dogs,though some only have sodas,mineral water,crisps and sweets.

Originally posted by Philippines
Everyone seems to neglect the part about raising the cow, slaughtering the cow, butchering the cow...

And then having the grind the meat (frozen is best, if you have a freezer) to make the ground beef needed to form the patties =D

If you really want to teach them something, learn how to do this without electricity -- and invite your community of friends along for a feast of beef, and then give them meat to take home so they can cook or preserve it.

How long do you think it would take for some kid with vegetarian parents to set all the animals free to get run over by local traffic?

A nice idea but do you realise how much food would need to be grown and harvested in order to feed a smallish school of just 300 pupils? A few fish and some seasonal veg would not go far and once picked, veg needs to be re-grown and this takes months.

Many schools here in the UK do grow fruit and veg which is then either sold cheap to the parents or used in cooking classes. Raising any kind of livestock for food is not really feasible in a school environment. At least, not on a scale that would feed all these mouths on a daily basis. I do know a couple of schools that have chickens and the eggs are used.

I think there are major differences between the UK and US food education. Over here, there is a big emphasis on healthy eating and getting the kids to understand where the food comes from and what is/isn't good for them. It doesn't mean the kids are all healthy and of a good weight because many parents can't afford to or can't be bothered to buy healthy meals. I can't comment for sure on the US but it seems as though they don't want to be told what to eat as it is against their constitutional rights so they continue to feed the kids junk.

Originally posted by knowledgedesired
Because if we teach them how to take care of themselves they won't need BIG GOVERNMENT to take care of them in the future is my best answer. This is the same reason new technologies are hoarded by the the higher ups so they can control who eats and who don't.

hey, how about a mandatory P.E. class like they used to do in my time...let's get them some exersise first.

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Wait what? Are you telling me kids don't even have to take gym every other day anymore? Seriously?

As for the OP, schools are made to pump out people mostly dependent on the system. Learning to grow food would go totally against that.

Originally posted by dc4lifeskater
Umm lets see you have this big school, and all the children need to eat lunch, correct?

Sooo... why not teach the children about aquaponics and growing fish/veg/fruit and have them grow their on lunch.

You clearly know little about food production. Do you know how much space that would take up? To feed 100s of kids for that long? I would rather more money was spent on education so we don't have adults in the future recommending that we have them "grow their on lunch".

to the people who talk about space to feed kids... it actually takes up very little space to grow hydroponics and aquaponics and the yeild is very high as well as you can grow year round. So yes I do know how much space it takes.
100sqft can feed a family of 4 for a year 3 meals a day easily and that is 100sqft flat space with hydropnics or aquaponics you can grow up along walls... Why cant all of the hallways be lines with fresh growing foods for the students.

Also 1 aquaponics tank can easily hold 50 talapia and 100sqft of garden space. yes obviously there are some issues with things nothing is perfect and who takes care of things during summer break and stuff like that but still those problems could easily be solved and even if it didn't fully replace things you could atleast grow fruits and veg and give it to the kids as snacks or part of their lunch replacing the brought in fruit and veg that is unhealthy and GMO.

I know allot about aqua and hydroponics and also the way schools are laid out are perfect for this type of production of foods having grow banks lining all the hallways the normal have windows in them and are laid out in square grid patters that way they are indoors but get light from the sun.

Originally posted by dc4lifeskater

100sqft can feed a family of 4 for a year 3 meals a day easily and that is 100sqft flat space with hydropnics or aquaponics you can grow up along walls... Why cant all of the hallways be lines with fresh growing foods for the students.

Great now how about for 500 kids?

And where exactly, are they going to put all this?

Better yet, just make them pack their own lunch. Just imagine how much money schools would save.
I packed my lunch from kindergarten till 8th grade. Still have a Scooby Doo lunch box in the attic somewhere.

Originally posted by RandyBragg

Originally posted by dc4lifeskater

100sqft can feed a family of 4 for a year 3 meals a day easily and that is 100sqft flat space with hydropnics or aquaponics you can grow up along walls... Why cant all of the hallways be lines with fresh growing foods for the students.

Great now how about for 500 kids?

Some kid would be allergic, the parents would sue and shut the whole program down.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by jimmyx

 

Wait what? Are you telling me kids don't even have to take gym every other day anymore? Seriously?

As for the OP, schools are made to pump out people mostly dependent on the system. Learning to grow food would go totally against that.

edit on Wed, 09 Jan 2013 08:43:55 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)

not here where i live...in high school, my gym teacher back then was a retired sgt. from the military....we sweated our asses off each day, with work-outs and running laps,and required to take a shower afterward, so we didn't stink up the place...he was tough old bastard, but it worked...very few of us were fat.

one question here..who is going to cover all the costs to get it started?solar panels aren't cheap, neither are windmills.oh i bet you suggest either more taxes or the government to cover the costs?

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if you could actually read i covered that in my original post.

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um the students paying 50 cents for a lunch isn't going to cut down the cuts.lol but good try there buddy.You'd have to have a bunch of money to start the program not just the hopes people would pay 50 cents a meal.

Yes! Yes! i love this forum...Also why dont they give kids language classes from an earlier age offering a new language every 1-2yrs ...starting with a latin based language first as their easier...


And yes... the system is designed to prepare the slaves to work for their beans ....the beans that they probably grew lol...

lets not even get off the fact that the so called money you're making is not yours

PIMPIN AIN'T DEAD IT JUST MOVED TO THE US

Originally posted by LightOrange

Originally posted by Philippines
Everyone seems to neglect the part about raising the cow, slaughtering the cow, butchering the cow...

And then having the grind the meat (frozen is best, if you have a freezer) to make the ground beef needed to form the patties =D

If you really want to teach them something, learn how to do this without electricity -- and invite your community of friends along for a feast of beef, and then give them meat to take home so they can cook or preserve it.

How long do you think it would take for some kid with vegetarian parents to set all the animals free to get run over by local traffic?

In all honesty I don't see it ever happening. There are too many "civilized" people running around with cell phones to call the police, animal control, media, and whoever else because they are ignorant of life and know that beef only comes from stores wrapped in plastic and with a price tag. Any other way is potentially dangerous to your health and you may go to jail because there might be some law somewhere keeping them in fear.

Originally posted by dc4lifeskater
Umm lets see you have this big school, and all the children need to eat lunch, correct?

Sooo... why not teach the children about aquaponics and growing fish/veg/fruit and have them grow their on lunch.

Cut down the cost of school lunch to like $.50 per person and that would cover all costs for solar panels, the setup of the system and maintenance...

Student would also learn about solar and wind power and how that works, people learn best by doing, teach children how to use solar/wind, teach them how to grow food, teach them how to grow fish, and if they are old enough teach them how to clean the fish and cook it.

Children should be able to pick the fruits and veg, they should be able to clean it, and give it ready to be used and cooked in the school for their lunches...

It will teaches them much needed skills from science to food handling safety and when older maybe 13yr+ they can learn to cook the foods...

Why are we buying in crap food when there is no reason to.. Well we all know the answer to that but still, why can't we change this!

Because Corporations have sweet heart deals with the government to provide food to schools.

Originally posted by dc4lifeskater
Umm lets see you have this big school, and all the children need to eat lunch, correct?

Sooo... why not teach the children about aquaponics and growing fish/veg/fruit and have them grow their on lunch.

Indeed, lifeskater, and you are not alone in thinking that teaching our young people not only about the foods we eat but that they do have the power to effect the quality of their own lives. It is being done, in my neck of the woods anyway, but I wont pretend it was easy and it just so happened that there were many in the community willing to do what we needed to do to make it happen. My daughter is grown now so this would have been 14 or fifteen years ago, serving my first round on the PTO. We are a rural school system and when looking over our budget we realized we were getting the exact same food supplied to our children that was being supplied to our local jails. Terrible, terrible food by any standard IMO. We were feeling empowered after putting in the new play area and decided that we were going to put in a garden. We thought, if we can start small by replacing the giant cans of government carrots and the like it would be nothing but a win win for the kids and the school district budget alike. Even with the potential cost savings it was an up hill battle, but uphill doesn't have to be a negative idea, IMO. I'll make it short here as I don't wish to bombard the thread with the dreaded wall of text. So, we had to show that it was cost effective and we had to make sure we were in compliance with California's nutritional guidelines for public schools. Now many years up that hill we see each school producing and sharing with the others. Meats, cheeses, veggies. We even have one school that put together a fish hatchery program.

Like I said it wasn't easy but it can be done.

Penny