The Chart Anti-Gunners Don't Want You To See

reply to post by links234


That all depends on where you live.
In the state of montana the average citizen
owns guns and hunt's.

I dont know specific's, but i would say if i had to
estimate 2/3 of Montana hunt, therefore making
the average in the state the normal.

But then again, Montana is not a average state
compared to most of the country

Originally posted by badgerprints
Why did the founding fathers guarantee our right to bear arms in the bill of rights?
It wasn't to bequeath a privilege.
It was to defend the people from the government.
Take away the guns and the gun death totals will be a drop in the bucket compared to what will result.

Gun Quotations of the Founding Fathers
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"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson

"On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
- Thomas Jefferson

"I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
- Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

"Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."
- John Adams

"To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason

"I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."
- George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe."
- Noah Webster

"The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster

"A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace."
- James Madison

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms."
- James Madison

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison

"The ultimate authority resides in the people alone."
- James Madison

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt

"To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
- Richard Henry Lee

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."
- Richard Henry Lee

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry

"This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
- St. George Tucker

"... arms ... discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property.... Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them."
- Thomas Paine

"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
- Joseph Story

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
- Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts

" ... for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
- Alexander Hamilton

reply to post by severdsoul


Yea, also Alaska. I watch that show Alaskan State Troopers occasionally and everyone they pull over has a pistol in their vehicle. The trooper checks it out, gives it back to them and cites them for whatever reason they stopped them for.
Its also funny to see when they find pot in the car, they just confiscate it and give them a ticket lol.

And about the second amendment. Our founding fathers did us a great dis-service by making it so vague.

reply to post by amtrac


Second Militia Act of 1792
Front page of a newspaper announcing the second Militia Act of 1792.

The second Act, passed May 8, 1792, provided for the organization of the state militias. It conscripted every "free able-bodied white male citizen" between the ages of 18 and 45 into a local militia company. Militia members were to arm themselves with a musket, bayonet and belt, two spare flints, a cartridge box with 24 bullets, and a knapsack. Men owning rifles were required to provide a powder horn, 1/4 pound of gun powder, 20 rifle balls, a shooting pouch, and a knapsack

reply to post by Juggernog


I cant go to alaska, i'd never come back,
I love montana and it's isolation, and lack
law's and control's... Being out in no man's
land in alaska, ya, i would be in Heaven!!!!!
Esp since you can get up to 3 Moose a year...
My favorite meat, man that is some yummy stuff.
here in montana, a moose tag is so hard to come by.

Ya i use to ride around when i had my truck with the rifles
in the back window and pistol's on the dash, all loaded and
ready.
Passed many a cop's and never had any issue's at all.
Most cops around here once you get out of town (what few 'big'
towns there are here, which are not that big) dont give it a second
thought.

Originally posted by schuyler
The preamble of a "well regulated militia" is always where the anti-gunners will hang their hats. In the terms of the times the "militia" meant every able-bodied male, such as you presently have in Switzerland where the government provides the firearm and tha ammunition--permanently. Nobody gives them back.

That is absolutely false. The individuals do not retain the ammunition to go with their firearms. The firearms are removed when the individuals mandatory enlistment expires. Individuals need a valid reason to own a firearm in Switzerland and not 'because I want one.'

Can you explain that, please? Places with the strictest gun control have the highest crime rates. That's a fact. Divide it by city or by state, whatever you want. Red states are pro gun and have the lowest crime rates. Blue states are anti-gun and have the highest crime rates.

Correlation is not causation. I believe that the concentration of population has more to do with crime rate than gun control alone. Blue states are also more heavily populated and because of that are more likely to have crime.

As far as a militia goes, the United States needed a militia after the founding because we had no standing army. The states also had no standing army and required a militia. With the advent of the national guard we no longer have a requirement of having a militia. With a national army we have even less use of a militia. If you disagree then I suggest you form a militia and make your argument in a court of law that your national guard is ineffective at protecting your state.

posted this in another thread, straight from holder's mouth -

Cigarettes kill almost 500,000 a year and the state/fed govt profits off of it and continue to raise the price.They are accomplice to almost 1/2 million deaths a year.

Looks like they're going after the wrong weapon and wrong people.