There were no Lone Wolf attacks in 2012

Originally posted by ParasuvO


Who or what do you have faith in ?

People that are at least willing to speak their peace on the subject. Knowing I am not alone in similar sentiments.
Should we just sit quietly, or quit?

Not me. I still believe in the Constitution.

reply to post by ParasuvO

Who or what do you have faith in ?

The apathy you are speaking of has been smashed into the public thousands of ways.

I know where Sonnny is coming from. I want to have faith….in people….it’s just that they continue to disappoint me and not do what I believe should be done.

Personally, I still have faith in God and I know things will work out…though likely not in the manner I would want.

If 9/11's completely hole filled story did not wake people up these stories sure are not.

Or Waco, or any of the other myriad of completely staged or helped along fabrications that have been put onto the people .

People are totally convinced they have choices of who is too blame, and it appears they are not open to the reality that some greater thing is being played upon us...and faith is like hope, It is like a desireless desire, a wish.

I’m with you on this…there is a power at work here…this isn’t society run amuck. These are orchestrated events IMO. Everything happens for a reason, and nutters have never been this wild OR PROFICIENT.

We know our government lies, we know they have a secret agenda...and we know 80-90% of the governed are the stereotypical, consumer distracted, "as long as it doesn't effect my day to day living" type of people that we cannot wake them up to see what is going on. we can present them with the facts, and they would nod their heads and say "yeah it's a shame, but I gotta go to work in the morning so I'd rather discuss tomorrow's big game a little bit, before calling it a night, so let's stop talking about how the government's screwing us, and let's talk football for a bit" or they would call us just another looney conspiracy theorist (I know, I used to be one of the blinded majority)

so where does it leave us? the ones who cares about what's going on? Occupy was a good start, it showed the nation that we're tired of it...but it got us nowhere, except on a terrorist list! Who can authorize a demonstration rally's occupants to be put on terrorist list for continued monitoring?!?

Do we need to occupy with weapons? Will this wake them up? When the French were oppressed you know what they did when they finally overthrew their oppressors? The decapitated them! The guillotine, I would suggest more of impeachment and possibly banishment, but the crimes committed against this nation by our own elected officials (using the extremely loose sense of the word since I don't feel that we really have any true elected officials anymore...maybe sheriffs...but i digress in that matter) is enough for trials of treason which would carry death sentences.

I had an idea on how to wake the nation up, every American flag that you have access to, fly it upside down, if we can get tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of flags flying upside down, what clearer signal could we send that we are no longer gonna take it? There can only be one step after a display like that if matters don't get resolved, because if I fly a flag upside down, I will defend my reasoning for doing so, worst case scenario...we just speed up the process which is already coming fruition, only we will not give them the opportunity to disarm us first!

it may seem radical, but tell me we aren't in radical times? tell me we aren't suffering so few can thrive? if you are living comfortably in the middle to upper class, congrats, you're not in the majority that has to really work to stay afloat. But you've obviously only got to that point by making someone else richer, and it's the one at the top that are the problem. and no one questions the way we're robbed, they don't even try to hide it, we know that we pay 3-5 times more on interest when we pay our mortgage companies, and everyone knows that a car loses the majority of its value as soon as you drive it off the lot...we're at the point where we don't know if we'll have another chance, we're at the point where our quiet voices are getting quieter...are we going to get to the point where they are snuffed out completely? I hope not, I hope I can throw my voice further, and pick up a few echoes with it

im im saying is i think this needs to be done a lot, mostly congress man or women

Good Op.

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard someone call us veterans "sociopaths", I would never be in want for money. Unfortunately, the plans that TPTB have set forth seem to be working. I'm hoping however, that on such subjects we've been hearing more from the loud minority than from the silent majority.

If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed;

if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly;

you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival.

There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.

Sir Winston Churchill. WW2

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The pattern is getting obvious.
The people of Australia and the UK should be pissed watching the U.S. go through the same manipulative series of events they endured prior to losing their right to self defense.

Dunblane: How UK school massacre led to tighter gun control
www.cnn.com...

The Port Arthur massacre
members.iimetro.com.au...

And most recently it is starting in Switzerland
www.globalpost.com...

With only one thread on ATS talking about it.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by seabag


Americans defend your rights to bare arms but don't forget the sun block

I have stated my case previously for the importance of hanging on to your guns in the US. It is a selfish reason but its the way it is. I view yourselves as the last hurdle needing crossed by those who want our grandkids in shackles. My expectations though, are not very high because to stand up for your rights you need to have organization. Unfortunatly the time to stand as a group against the oppression is long gone. I have no doubts my American brothers and sisters will stand individually to protect their own freedoms. That wont work, typing your feelings here on a forum wont work and spitting against the hurricane that is organized tyrany wont work.

I respect you all for your dedication to your 2nd Amend... but, how will you stand for your freedoms without leadership...You have none, or none you can trust. We need a miracle, so if there is a god or creator, he/she better put down the TV remote and pay attention to whats happening to us all.

reply to post by exitusstatuquo


I understand where it's coming from...

Lately, I've been reading up on my Nazis and began to wonder what life would be like in a NSDAP America. The closest scenarios I came up with are concentration camps made up of non-Christian and non-white minorities, but the Jews get let off easy this time around since US and Israel are essentially connected.

Just my thoughts for the time being...unless your big readers and I endorse reading either Man in the High Castle by Philip K Dick or The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood, especially the latter because I feel we're heading toward something like that.

Originally posted by captiva
I have stated my case previously for the importance of hanging on to your guns in the US. It is a selfish reason but its the way it is. I view yourselves as the last hurdle needing crossed by those who want our grandkids in shackles. My expectations though, are not very high because to stand up for your rights you need to have organization. Unfortunatly the time to stand as a group against the oppression is long gone. I have no doubts my American brothers and sisters will stand individually to protect their own freedoms. That wont work, typing your feelings here on a forum wont work and spitting against the hurricane that is organized tyrany wont work.

I respect you all for your dedication to your 2nd Amend... but, how will you stand for your freedoms without leadership...You have none, or none you can trust. We need a miracle, so if there is a god or creator, he/she better put down the TV remote and pay attention to whats happening to us all.

Here is a start
Peaceful demonstration at every state capital for our 2nd amendment rights
www.facebook.com...

I agree with those who said that Americans are apathetic.I'm in my 20's, but I always am hoping to talk to people my age that are willing to even get interested in a conversation about defending their freedom and its a LOSS. It's like talking to wall with so many of them. I've come to conclude that all they care about is getting wasted or trying to get famous in some ridiculous manner, and other things that are extremely irrelevant.

reply to post by seeker1963


"Why are the police not showing any of the videos?? Something to think about for sure, and your connecting the dots to Big Sis predicting it, really makes one wonder....."

Same reason out of over a hundred cameras on pentagon, all we get is a 4 second clip that's been edited at that lol. Because the truth would be shown.

Im not talking about showing the blood and gore. But movie theatres usually have a camera in back and in front as well, most shopping plazas do in fact. Why not show those cameras, before shooting. If Adam forced his way into school why not show at least just him walking up to the doors? Or what car he got out of, because it didn't happen the way they say it did.

And now a re creation of the scene because cops don't know if he was shooting at them? Wow that's some good training. Or is it a cover so they can take fake shots of all the things we wont to see, mix that in with the real "evidence" and if its ever brought up again "oh here's the gun shots through doors windows at the cars in parking lot ect ect. it would be interesting to see if this re creation is open to the public or how many times they enter the school during it and over the months as they have said they wouldnt be doing anything "inside the school" just the parking lot.

With all the blood and gore I have seen on TV (real footage) from a kid to now, wars being played out like it was 4th July right in living room in hi def, videos of kids running for lives in Norway. Blood all over the roads after accidents or shoot outs and in some cases even showing the person getting killed right on the news or newspapers, videos of terrorist holding captives, scenes after a bomb blast in other countries blood everywhere and bodies all over. The shooting of the reporters and innocent people trying to pick up the dead and wounded from a black hawk helicopter......... But no footage of pentagon, no footage of movie theatre, no footage of sandy. Why because the American public just can't handle it? Hell half the morons who watch TV beg for it.

Stripping us of Second Amendment rights is only part of it. Leaving out the most important part makes it seem like unjustified hysteria. You have to ask yourself why they want to regulate/ban certain weapons and ammo? For the same reason they waged a war on drugs: So that TPTB can deal certain weapons and ammunition to fund their hidden agendas.

Clearly, banning semi-automatic &/or automatic guns will not keep people from purchasing them, just as banning drugs does not keep people from purchasing them. But, it does reduce the competition allowing the CIA to do all the illegal gun running they want in this country just like they do in so many other countries.

It's always about $$$.

reply to post by seabag


I hear what you are saying! Some people have been saying, for YEARS NOW, that this was a danger, and no one wanted to listen. Now, even with all the facts we have, all the evidence, some still won't listen! Makes me wonder about people.....

S&F on the thread. Really appreciate that first video; I hadn't located those witness accounts before. The mall shooting was the same way, though - authorities said one person, witnesses said more. I remember all the questions on the Oklahoma City one, too. Too many unanswered questions.

Interesting times w live in. Not sure the country will get through another four years, though. Not sure it will make it two, really.

Only thing missing in this is the correct label for the one doing all this these days. Personally, the way things are going, I don't plan on being here too much longer.

Originally posted by TheToastmanCometh
*snip*
Lately, I've been reading up on my Nazis and began to wonder what life would be like in a NSDAP America. The closest scenarios I came up with are concentration camps made up of non-Christian and non-white minorities, but the Jews get let off easy this time around since US and Israel are essentially connected.
*snip*

I would be very interested to hear where you get the idea for who would make up those camps. From everything I have seen, I think you have that a bit backwards. Maybe that is just me....but I doubt it.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

I would be very interested to hear where you get the idea for who would make up those camps. From everything I have seen, I think you have that a bit backwards. Maybe that is just me....but I doubt it.

I agree with you. The government has already identified it's enemy; right-wing extremists (which is all veterans, anyone who doesn't support socialism, all gun owners, people who have money, etc). 

I am just in so much shock. I cannot believe something like this could ever happen. Someone tell me I am dreaming this ?

Use Google translator mixednews.ru...

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

I would be very interested to hear where you get the idea for who would make up those camps. From everything I have seen, I think you have that a bit backwards. Maybe that is just me....but I doubt it.

I agree with you. The government has already identified it's enemy; right-wing extremists (which is all veterans, anyone who doesn't support socialism, all gun owners, people who have money, etc). 

Exactly! I have read the .pdf of the DHS document that was leaked, naming virtually any that would not be a supporter as "potential terrorists". That minority comment was a bit off as well. It isn't the minorities that are targeted these days. Even news stories are skewed. I have seen several where some terrible crime was committed, and when it's a white perpetrator, the national news almost always shows a picture. When it isn't, you have to hunt through the local news and local video to see what they look like. Example, the infamous case in Florida, with the child that vanished. We saw her because she was white.

Under this current socialist regime, you can be poor and get help, unless you are too pale. Everyone I know, under his "stimulus plan" got way less back in taxes. One person living well below the poverty level got a third less back. Yet, he claims people that were poor got tax breaks. I would love to see the demographics on who did, and who didn't!