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Originally posted by 007Polytoks
reply to post by fourthmeal
While this is certainly backing towards the legitimate nature of this claim, the case does not currently have any status shown. Neither does it show the "Bar Number", or have a hyperlink next to heathers name, now this most certainly does not mean that its illegitimate, but that the case has either not passed, or is still being processed.
Either that or they are trying to purposely keep this from getting out by not publishing the status/bar-number.
The person in question "thelongjourney" said he needs the judge to state in his ruling that they won when citing "a component of the common law mythology". So you would actually have to find the court documents to prove this claim. He also states that if some one challenges the jurisdiction of the court based on them being an admiralty court, then that also qualifies.
Heh, for Sovereign help go here:
Originally posted by fourthmeal
Yep, I agree.
I need to learn what is lost when you claim Sovereignty. For instance, if you don't' have a license, how do you buy beer? Or get in somewhere that wants to see it? Regular folk simply DO NOT get it, not right now. Hell a few days ago I didn't get it. How can you handle cops (which you may be seeing more of if you don't have ID and registration on your car, etc),
How do you get loans, special Sovereign banks? Etc Etc.
Can't wait for the answers, we can set the blueprint with clear direction, obviously we have a few Sovereigns here and that helps!
You are wrong. Both mean something. I'm not going to argue. It's been proved. I will not supply proof, it's out there. But if you go around and say, "That ain't true", to everything you see and hear, then you'll have nothing. Bye-bye.
Originally posted by hellobruce
Originally posted by fourthmeal
That is the value as determined by the Birth certificate bond.
Nice story, but it is just not true. The Birth certificate is NOT a bond of any sort, capitalisation of your name means nothing.
Originally posted by fourthmeal
She doesn't have a BAR number, she disavowed the BAR when she learned what it meant, being Sovereign and all. It is a BRITISH title of nobility, and therefore not lawful.
Originally posted by Bildo
It's not a hoax. I thought it was common knowledge that members of the BAR have an oath to support the bankruptcy, and that they are controlled by the Lawyers Guild of Great Britain.
Why the hell do you think that these bastards start squirming in the courtroom when you fire everyone in the courtroom.
I'm talking about the United States Bankruptcy of 1933
Originally posted by hellobruce
Originally posted by fourthmeal
She doesn't have a BAR number, she disavowed the BAR when she learned what it meant, being Sovereign and all. It is a BRITISH title of nobility, and therefore not lawful.
Now we know it is nonsense, with such a hoax claim being made.
Nothing to see here, just another silly hoax.
Before 1933 all contracts with the government were payable in gold. Now I ask you, who in their right mind would enter into contracts totaling One Hundred billion dollars in gold, when there was only eleven billion in gold in the whole world, and we had about four billion? To keep from being hung by the American public they obeyed the bankers demands and turned over our country to them. They never came out and said we were in bankruptcy but, the fact remains, we are. In 1933 the gold of the whole country had to be turned in to the bankers, and all government contracts in gold were canceled. This is bankruptcy.
The following was presented to the House of Representatives on March 17,1993 and is part of the Congressional Record.
Mr. Speaker, we are now in Chapter 11. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government. We are setting forth, hopefully a blueprint for our future. There are some who say it is a coroners report that will lead to our demise.
It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. HJR 192, 73rd Congress session of June 5, 1933 - Joint Resolution to Suspend the Gold Standard and Abrogate the Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States governmental offices and departments and is further evidence that the United States Government exists today in name only.
Originally posted by Bildo
Lots of info for debunkers.
You said only the first paragraph of what I pointed you to was correct, the rest was garbage. Ok,
Mr. TRAFICANT. Mr. Speaker, we are here now in chapter 11. Members of Congress are official trustees presiding over the greatest reorganization of any bankrupt entity in world history, the U.S. Government.
Originally posted by Bildo
What do you NOT understand about the above statement. US is in bankruptcy!
In 2002, Traficant was indicted on federal corruption charges for taking campaign funds for personal use. Again, he opted to represent himself, insisting that the trial was part of a vendetta against him dating to his 1983 trial. On April 15, he was convicted of 10 felony counts including bribery, racketeering, and tax evasion. As per House rules, he lost his right to vote on legislation pending an investigation by the House Ethics Committee. On April 12, 2002, after a two-month federal trial, a jury found Traficant guilty of bribery and other charges. He was sentenced to a federal prison, where he served seven years.