Here is an intelligent proposal about guns

Something else occurred to me. Put aside from the fact that, as I understand reading the material available and without contradictory stuff ..this is just paying the cost of your own check as others have to for other reasons they get one done, this makes gun sales profitable for Government.

Always on the condition that a gun sale is charged no more than the Cab driver or Teacher getting theirs run? Well, I think it's always a positive thing when something I want becomes something the Government has financial gain in seeing I get.

The more guns are picked up for retail purchase, the more the state government throws to the general fund (which is where all this likely goes anyway... "purpose" aside. The stated purpose probably draws it back out from there later). So... gun bans or other things that make fewer sales becomes counter-productive. At least at the STATE level....they become my advocate for wanting more sales.

Originally posted by ownbestenemy
Okay after a quick research I found out that fees are already imposed:

Initial Applications: TOTAL $52.50
CCIC Fingerprint check $17.50
InstaCheck $13.00
FBI Fingerprint check $22.00

So why does the State want more money? Any local Coloradians able to help here?

It says it right in the article they want it to pay for mental health care. Because the people buying guns should fund Obama care.





I bet they do this on a national level so they can take in more money. And the pro-gun people who are afraid and willing to settle just to keep some rights will bend over and take it.


And anyone with a half a brain knows they will continue to raise the price year after year, until only the rich can afford to keep guns.

reply to post by SubTruth


I am not arguing with you on this. That was posted for those that are saying "they should pay the fees"; in which it is shown that they already do. That is the basic premise in which this politician is basing this on. That the state is eating the cost, when clearly, they are getting money from the buyer already to process the fee.

Originally posted by ownbestenemy
reply to post by SubTruth

 

I am not arguing with you on this. That was posted for those that are saying "they should pay the fees"; in which it is shown that they already do. That is the basic premise in which this politician is basing this on. That the state is eating the cost, when clearly, they are getting money from the buyer already to process the fee.

The tax payer gains nothing on this the extra money is going for Obama care. This is how the progressives like to operate. Most people think they are getting a good deal because apathy of the mind has caused people to not look at things harder.




People including the OP need to to understand the progressives have a agenda and that agenda does not include people owning guns.

reply to post by hawkiye

Of over 2 million deaths a year 1.5 percent account for gun related deaths. We have more important things to worry about since you're hundreds of times more likely to die in a car accident or at the hands of a doctor then a gun related incident. Next time do your research before making ignorant statements. Perspective is everything media is all about skewing perspective...

Just did research on this.....

Out of 315 million+ people in the US, there are 310 million guns owned by approx. 80 million people.
Guess how many die from guns?

Approx. 35 people per day
----- 13,000 ------
That includes homicide, suicide and killed by cops.
[according to FBI reports]

So I say.....
What is with all the grandstanding and political crying over gun control really about???
Talk about fear mongering......

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Number of deaths from Medical Malpractice VS. Gun deaths

Originally posted by snarky412
reply to post by hawkiye

 

Of over 2 million deaths a year 1.5 percent account for gun related deaths. We have more important things to worry about since you're hundreds of times more likely to die in a car accident or at the hands of a doctor then a gun related incident. Next time do your research before making ignorant statements. Perspective is everything media is all about skewing perspective...

Just did research on this.....

Out of 315 million+ people in the US, there are 310 million guns owned by approx. 80 million people.
Guess how many die from guns?

Approx. 35 people per day
----- 13,000 ------
That includes homicide, suicide and killed by cops.
[according to FBI reports]

So I say.....
What is with all the grandstanding and political crying over gun control really about???
Talk about fear mongering......

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Number of deaths from Medical Malpractice VS. Gun deaths

Just like the fear of the boogie man in the middle east the progressives use whatever they can to get what they want. Now they want guns banned and they will use fear and apathy of the mind to get what they want.



Fear is a great tool many people don't even know they are being played.

reply to post by ownbestenemy


WTF!!! Where did you get that? It's what I would pay for automatics and suppressors if I want to buy class 3.
I DO not pay 1 itty bitty red cent accept for the dealer transfer. Usually about 30.00
I am a vet and if anyone would read my postings you'd see who I am.
This isn't an intrusive answer like registration. It isn't a liberal consolation prize either.Colorado could use a modest fee for the purposes of aiding a failing mental health system.I would hope FAR more homeopathic so we don't get any more Prozac Zombies but it is an intelligent reach for an answer.

Once you open that door to "fees" and "taxation" then where does it stop? $25 background check fee, $100 mental health fee, $200 transfer tax, $500 anti-crime tax.....what does "Infringement" mean to you?

reply to post by cavtrooper7

That is part of what I'm confused by on this thread. You're anything but an Anti-Gunner..I've been watching your posts and enjoy reading them. Some seem to just knee-jerk react like anything remotely different about gun laws or sales or gun ANYTHING must be an automatic evil thing looking to hurt us all. ( ?? )

Umm... I'm starting to see where some folks get the impression the whole issue is extreme from all sides. It's hard to have a chat about it when no one stops to even consider the background and known stances of those posting about it. Heck, you strike me as someone I'd enjoy going out to shoot with...and that's saying something. I'm pretty picky about who I do that with.

reply to post by CosmicCitizen


With the way my state votes on taxes? Not likely.
Infringement would be a taxation WITHOUT representation this is a fee for a service.Yes we are all touchy about them registering ANYTHING. But I do see this single act unto itself as a way to help others who are now walking the streets.We have them walking around homeless because no one has a place for them.That is my motivation and it makes sense.

reply to post by cavtrooper7


no.

no it is not an intelligent proposal about guns.

reply to post by CosmicCitizen

I dont want to give them any more ideas (see my thread on Gun Control: Here is how it will go down) but I am pretty sure that they have been planning this for decades....but the next thing after registration could be property tax assessment just like cars and boats and if your tax is not up to date.....??? (you get the idea - but then again the colonists started a revolution over an unfair tax on tea).

reply to post by CosmicCitizen

As it says a fee, no registration.

reply to post by cavtrooper7

I agree that most of the mass shootings are done by the mentally ill and that it is a real social problem even without gun violence (ie, homelessness) and therefore something should be done. But guns dont cause mental illness and I am worried about how taxation and fees can get out of hand once started (see above post). What I would like to see is Big Pharma (pharmaceutical industry) pay something towards treating mental illness. One, they cause some of it thru the side effects of their medicines and two, they are making a lot of money off of selling drugs before they become generic.

reply to post by cavtrooper7

I understand your point; a fee at the point of sale (presumably collected by either the selling dealer or the buyer's transfer agent)...but it is dangerous to let this camel get his nose under your tent.

reply to post by Unrealised


Again it's a right not a priviledge.... When will you get that in your head, it is not something that anyone but God can grant us. Paying for a right makes it a priviledge. All they have to do is charge exsorbitant fees then it becomes a privledge.

Grim

Originally posted by Unrealised

Originally posted by ownbestenemy

Originally posted by Unrealised
You'll get nowhere with the gun-nuts here.

And we will get nowhere in an intelligent discussion with idiots like you....

Why do you agree? What about the proposal do you find appealing? Have you ever been asked to provide critical thought before?

Sugar can be deadly too, maybe we should slap a tax on that too. As pointed out, hammers are a large concern in deaths, maybe we should have our local hardware shops do background checks and slap a tax on those too....

So I ask, why do you agree?!

If you can afford a gun, you can afford a background check.

If you don't want to pay it, then you obviously don't see how this little fee can help pay for your 'right' to own weapons.

Paperwork equals man hours.


Man hours equals money.




You want people to spend time and effort on your background check for free?


That's ludicrous.


Just pay the small fee and get your little manhood-extension.

Manhood extension?What the smallminded keep missing.Is that our Founding Fathers knew all along that guns also cause crime.Do people think that they would look back at 300 years of gun history and be suprised criminals use guns?

The reason for the second amendment was not for hunting,not stopping crime ,it was not about subsidizing the goverment for the mentaly ill.It was so that we cannot be oppressed by goverment and if we were we could defend our rights as sovereign citizens.

I have posted this link several times.Not once have I gotten a reply that says this is not what our founding fathers had in mind.Anyone who would say it that doesn't apply now has not looked at history.Because one thing is sure given time history always repeats itself.

Take the time watch the video then reply

.www.fox19.com... -politically-incorrect-truth-about-the-second-amendment

I guess I'll just add one more point here since I seem to be out of sync with almost everyone ...both sides? Oh well... Not the first time I've found myself here.

States can't print money. This isn't Congress. In a state, is truly IS a 0 sum game and money spent on one thing literally MUST be taken from something else. These background checks aren't free. Someone, somewhere is paying and the article says that is $10.50 to be specific? Now I'd never even considered this myself in purchases. I'm almost ashamed to admit that now ... since it's so obvious once it is mentioned.

Someone IS paying for this though and it's never been me, actually. I get my check run and the price is the price..nothing added. it COULD be built into the cost, but that's not the case here at the moment unless, as mentioned, it's a Class III and that's like racing cars. EVERYTHING about Class III costs money and a lot of it.

So for those who would say this is just all kinda of wrong...who IS supposed to be paying? Recall.. States = 0 sum game. No funny money available for the Statehouse. That's only a perk to Federal Government. (sigh)

reply to post by cavtrooper7


Colorado CC permit

Correct and I can own up to not looking closely. Those are fees imposed when getting a CC permit. My apologizes.

I haven't been able to find what fees people pay when just purchasing a firearm are. Most sites don't publish that info. I will have to get back tomorrow on that.

Originally posted by Grimmley
reply to post by Unrealised

 

Again it's a right not a priviledge.... When will you get that in your head, it is not something that anyone but God can grant us. Paying for a right makes it a priviledge. All they have to do is charge exsorbitant fees then it becomes a privledge.

Grim

edit on 4/1/2013 by Grimmley because: (no reason given)

As I've said before, God didn't grant you anything.



I guess Ronald McDonald granted you the right to carry and conceal?


Did Bugs Bunny give you the right to buy laser scopes?



Did Santa Clause give you the right to buy hollow tips?





Give me a break.




I bet you don't even believe in a God, and if you do, why fear anything?