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Yes, I aware that some of the content is post 1917, bu the maps sure aren't, excecpt the land theft map. Do you honestly the land of Palestine did not exist before 1917?
You are wrong, these maps are not what you claim them to be.
I will elaborate on Sunday when I have the mental capacity to do so.
These maps are from the 1700's and 1800's.
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by Corruption Exposed
You are wrong, these maps are not what you claim them to be.
I will elaborate on Sunday when I have the mental capacity to do so.
These maps are from the 1700's and 1800's.
They are clearly written in English. They are intended for Sunday School use or Bible Tourism. What would be more germane to your point is a Turkish map of the province.
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by ThinkingHuman
Rather than stopping or reversing it, then-World power Great Britain aided the invasion in 1917, as did the United Nation in 1947. I was correct.
Actually, Great Britain tried to suppress the settlement of the area by Jews and tried to put down the Israeli secession by force of arms.
Originally posted by DJW001
I need to add that I find it extremely deceitful when you try to play on words like this.
This is not a play on words, nor is it deceitful. Christian Europeans referred to the area as "Palestine" in order to tie it in with the Christian Bible. It did not exist as a nation or even unified province.
Before 1917 Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire. Of course, they did not give it an English name!
Originally posted by DJW001
I have yet to see anybody disagree with my statement that Zionism CAUSES Anti-Semitism. If everybody is in agreement with me, then whose purpose does it serve to cause Anti-Semitism?
I disagree. This is like saying that the American Civil Rights Movement caused segregation.
Hate of Zionism can thereby be experienced anywhere in the world.
Originally posted by DJW001
... Tibetans?
You, my friend, have run out of things to say that give the impression of an ability to think. Anybody else, please jump in to help him out.
Back on topic, I suggest you give me a decent argument why you disagree. Zionism is not analogous to the "American Civil Rights Movement". Nice try.
From a Zionist perspective, as you described it, "People have things taken from them all the time which causes anger" but it is rare "that the anger lasts so long and obsessively that it ferments into hatred".
Your reaction is potent proof that my explanation of Zionism as a conspiracy is correct. The proof is that IT HAS FERMENTED into hatred. Thus, either the creators of Zionism made a miscalculation, not expecting the result that we all know occured, or, they calculated correctly, with hatred being the anticipated outcome. But since they were executing the will of God, they could not have been miscalculating.
Originally posted by DJW001
Why not? Jews were discriminated against all over the world, just as Blacks were in the United States... Correct me if I'm wrong.
That's easy. Jews were not discriminated against in the United States. Since you know about Jewish history and the United States is a rather significant part of the world, this is not an error on your part, it is another misleading, inflammatory lie.
You are purposely misrepresenting that Jews have no alternative to escape mistreatment, other than invading a country, Palestine.
You have failed to show me why Jews should, and do, go to live in the former Palestine, where they are exposed to hate, and generate more hate by Palestinians, rather than living a peaceful, productive life in the US.
I mentioned before that my grandfather was Jewish. He was unable to marry his Christian girlfriend in 1920's Europe, not because of her parents, but because his Jewish tradition forbid him to.
Jews did not remain isolated because of discrimination by other people but by their own choice. Could it have been the Jews who discriminated against gentiles?
As I have shown in my "Long answer" on page 10, European Royalty cooperated with the goals of Zionism. Even President Wilson folded under its pressure. This makes me wonder if pogroms may have been instigated with the cooperation of the Royalty of that country also. "False flag attacks" happened eversince antiquity, but people's awareness about them dates back to very recent times. Expulsions of Jews were ordered by the same Royalty, and, according to my theory, would have served two political purposes. One, to justify hate between Jews and non-Jews, and two, the problems which the Kings were not able to deal with could then be blamed on a small minority.
I want to make clear that this is my theory, I do not claim that this is the case.
DJW, I expect you will accuse me of Anti-Semitism but notice that I have not said anything negative about Jews. Nor do I hold a negative opinion about Jews. Again, I believe they were tricked into causing hate. Just like Americans were tricked into supporting wars against Afghanistan and Irak.
We have two disagreements: 1) You believe it would be wrong for Jews to be "deported" to "Florida", but you see nothing wrong with deporting Palestinians, and you justify it by stating that "people have things taken from them all the time". I do not believe that this makes it right.
2) You believe that Jews are victims of pogroms and expulsions - but you have never stated WHY you believe they would be victimized like that, not only in some cases but in ALL countries for thousands of years. (has God "chosen" the wrong people?) You have the right to believe that without reason. But the absence of a reason along with the universal presence of the mistreatment, makes me consider this belief to be irrational. Okay, you cannot comprehend the agenda, then "Zionists are secretly manipulating the world to further an incomprehensible agenda" is beyond your mental capacity.
Originally posted by DJW001
Because for some, it is a religious ideal. Do you have a problem with the free exercise of religion?
It was only when they were forced into Ghettos or banished to the Pale that Jews resented Christians.
It is due to xenophobia and superstition.
Jews were and are the victims of pogroms and expulsions.
But you have never said that it is wrong to kill an Israeli Jew for no reason.
Kicking people out of their country - and killing them when they resist - you call free exercise of religion.
You are deranged, or, the propaganda for your religion that you bought into is deranged. Your religion says it is wrong to steal. Zionism is thereby in clear contradiction to your religion it pretends to support.
It was only when they were forced into Ghettos or banished to the Pale that Jews resented Christians.
"banished to the Pale"? Your hate of Christians is contemptible. How did you determined this is true for all Jews? You are expressing hate with no rational logic.
It is due to xenophobia and superstition.
"xenophobia and superstition"? Another vain attempt at demonizing people who have different believes. How did you determined this is true? Nothing again. You are accusing people, wholesale, you know NOTHING about of hate and ignorance. Again, expressing hate, without any support. Since you consider yourself not a victim of xenophobia and superstition, you rank yourself mentally and spiritually superior to them. Your hate may thus stem from your superiority complex.
Jews were and are the victims of pogroms and expulsions.
"and are"? My google search yielded no results for pogroms on Jews for more than half a century, and even longer than that for expulsions. However, according to Wikipedia, in the recent past, "Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has used the term "pogrom" twice in recent history to describe attacks against Palestinian Arab civilians perpetrated by Israeli settlers."
Again, using the terms "pogroms and expulsions" you are instigating hate, and you attempt to control what people may say, using something that happened mostly hundreds of years ago, in countries far away, for unknown reasons, as a pretext to pretend Israelis today are victims of hate".
I will advise you that if you express hate for non-Jews again I will call you "Anti-Gentile". "Anti-Gentilism" is not, but it must be, suppressed, punished and exterminated as vigorously and to the same extent as Anti-Semitism. I will continue to advocate for ALL hate speech to be treated equally.
Benjamin freedman, the defector 43 minutes long worth a watch,
No; the first Jewish settlers purchased their land legally.
Originally posted by DJW001
No; the first Jewish settlers purchased their land legally. It was only after the Arabs started attacking and killing these legal immigrants that things turned ugly.
In the quotes of your statements I provided.
Where do I express hatred for Christians?
No, it will confirm what governments (in the case of wars the victor-governments) want you to BELIEVE. But for somebody as gullible as you seem to be, that may be good enough.
The smallest amount of research on your part will confirm what I have stated.
Again, using the terms "pogroms and expulsions" you are instigating hate, and you attempt to control what people may say, using something that happened mostly hundreds of years ago, in countries far away, for unknown reasons, as a pretext to pretend Israelis today are victims of hate".
You need to follow the real world news more: That sure sounds like a pogrom to me.
... but not for their "plight" caused by Jewish Israelites - until you said this:
Where have I expressed hatred for non-Jews? On the contrary, I have expressed nothing but compassion for the plight of the Palestinians who are being discriminated against by their fellow Arabs and held hostage by a radical militant faction supported by Shiite Iran.
So what are you doing about them?
On the other hand, you make a valid point. Some of the actions directed against the Palestinians, such as razing entire neighborhoods, are indeed anti-Arab pogroms. I thought I had made it clear that I find these just as reprehensible as anti-Jewish pogroms.
I do not have a settled opinion on how to treat hate speech. However, it must be treated consistently for all hate speech (and IT IS illegal to simply say something Anti-Semitic in some places). It must be the same, whether Anti-Semitic or Anti-Gentilic. That is why I am happy to expose you hatefully ("Arabs started attacking and killing these legal immigrants"), shamefully and incompassionately ("People have things taken from them all the time which causes anger" and that "it is rare that the anger lasts so long and obsessively that it ferments into hatred") distorting the truth.
I completely disagree with your views on censorship. Hate speech should not be suppressed or punished. It must be exposed. When hateful speech is exposed for what it is, the hateful will be shamed, and voluntarily cease to make fools of themselves in public.