re Cooling of relations between U.S and U.K members

I am writing on my own behalf as a U.K member to you, the U.S members.

As a UK member I do get ignored by you a lot. I wish it was not so.

If you only knew how interesting I find the States, how fascinating the people and that I really care about what goes on there; I care about YOU!!!

The recent disagreements over gun control I feel damaged relations between members somewhat. I know I have felt more ignored since that.

On my own part I did not interfere in that debate. I did not consider it my business as I am not a citizen. In other words I knew that I had no right to really comment or interfere with that.

Please remember that if any UK member was being a control freak about gun control really it is only because they do care. Otherwise, why would they even bother to spend energy communicating with you?

Please know that I as a U.K member really do care and appreciate you and I hope you will not judge me on the fact that I am from the U.K.

I like coming here and being with you U.S. I want to come and visit one day, too.

Please know this that I do care. I want a dialogue with you. I want to have some U.S friends.

Thanks!

I am writing on behalf of U.K ATS members to you

Please don't write on my behalf as I stand by everything I say regarding the gun control issues.

I don't think this thread is necessarily as I think like me we don't have problems with Americans just the gun laws there...

Personally, I'd say all's good with the vast majority of Americans... Here included.

When your troubles were happening with the riots, you were tolerant at first, speaking in general terms of members from the two nations. Then, your folks moved to being annoyed...and by the end, outright told a few of us off for sticking our noses too deep into telling you how to handle your own business. Some got 'butt hurt' by that, but that was their problem .. Not the UK member's problem.

Now it's reversed and perhaps Americans kinda skipped that first tolerant stage this time... but I think it's about the same for meaningful LONG term harm or impact. I'll certainly say that troubles may come and go between the two world powers, but in the end? Americans ultimately came from England, in my view and that of History for the most part. It's a bond that can never be broken entirely, no matter what idiots we have in power to either nation.

Americans and Brits are brothers...and occasionally siblings need to have it out and clear the air ...but being siblings never changes.

reply to post by roughycannon


So you think as a U.K "subject" you have a right to interfere with the American Constitution?

I think you don't really have a right. Ok," on behalf of myself then"

Honestly I don't usually notice what country someone is from unless they state as much. Admittedly I don't exactly have the nicest of feelings for a lot of British folks as I find a lot of them to be brash, rude and lacking in manners. However, I know that not all are like the few I have met and do my best to not make judgments. I give people the chance to show me who they are first. Maybe I need more friends from the UK so I can find more nice ones! LOL With that said, let me introduce myself, since you seem to be wanting American friends.

My name is Jodi, I'm no one special, just a girl in the Colorado Rocky Mountains. I'm a mom of four boys, happily married, running our own IT/computer repair business. I'd like to think I'm pretty friendly and sociable and love meeting new people. I can have debates without being nasty or attacking towards someone who may have a different opinion or view on the matter. I do my best to try and understand where people come from and why they may think the way they do. .. Can't think of much else to say about myself. Oh wait, I have a flippin zoo here too! Aside from my four boys I have four cats, one dog, one rabbit, six chickens and a toad.

I have noticed this also.
I love those guys across the pond but they get their knickers in a twist when we give our thoughts and views on the subject.
Then some tell us to stay out of USA laws etc then the attacks get thrown at us (IE you are not free etc) but seeing this is an international forum I will have my say on things.
This has everything to do with the gun debate and many of us Brits just do not understand 1: the laws 2: the reasons 3:the love affair with the gun.
So I ask instead of attacking us for not knowing please try to educate us, do not attack us. We will do the same on topics to do with the UK.
Peace BM.

reply to post by Revolution9


ooppps mis read.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Personally, I'd say all's good with the vast majority of Americans... Here included.

When your troubles were happening with the riots, you were tolerant at first, speaking in general terms of members from the two nations. Then, your folks moved to being annoyed...and by the end, outright told a few of us off for sticking our noses too deep into telling you how to handle your own business. Some got 'butt hurt' by that, but that was their problem .. Not the UK member's problem.

Now it's reversed and perhaps Americans kinda skipped that first tolerant stage this time... but I think it's about the same for meaningful LONG term harm or impact. I'll certainly say that troubles may come and go between the two world powers, but in the end? Americans ultimately came from England, in my view and that of History for the most part. It's a bond that can never be broken entirely, no matter what idiots we have in power to either nation.

Americans and Brits are brothers...and occasionally siblings need to have it out and clear the air ...but being siblings never changes.

Not all American's ultimately came from England. Now admittedly some of my Scottish relatives may have come from England much further back, but I am also part Native American and that is most definitely not British. Hell the British and the British descendants that started this country did their best at wiping the Native Americans out entirely.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Personally, I'd say all's good with the vast majority of Americans... Here included.

When your troubles were happening with the riots, you were tolerant at first, speaking in general terms of members from the two nations. Then, your folks moved to being annoyed...and by the end, outright told a few of us off for sticking our noses too deep into telling you how to handle your own business. Some got 'butt hurt' by that, but that was their problem .. Not the UK member's problem.

Now it's reversed and perhaps Americans kinda skipped that first tolerant stage this time... but I think it's about the same for meaningful LONG term harm or impact. I'll certainly say that troubles may come and go between the two world powers, but in the end? Americans ultimately came from England, in my view and that of History for the most part. It's a bond that can never be broken entirely, no matter what idiots we have in power to either nation.

Thank you! That's a great reply. I feel the same about you guys. I thought there was some good commentary made about the riots by U.S members. I am a very open guy that way though. I like to learn from every body.

Yes, I look at America as our BIG Little Brother. That's why I care and I value all the military help the U.S has given. When we were weak you did come and help big time. I hope in some way the British can be there for you guys the same in the future.

I love American creativity so much. Vibrant, fresh and new! I envy you on that score. You are certainly more youthful in culture and very full of vigour.
Americans and Brits are brothers...and occasionally siblings need to have it out and clear the air ...but being siblings never changes.

Originally posted by Revolution9
reply to post by roughycannon

 

So you think as a U.K "subject" you have a right to interfere with the American Constitution?

I think you don't really have a right. Ok," on behalf of myself then"

No but I'm allowed to have my own point of view on it.

Originally posted by MaMaa
Honestly I don't usually notice what country someone is from unless they state as much. Admittedly I don't exactly have the nicest of feelings for a lot of British folks as I find a lot of them to be brash, rude and lacking in manners. However, I know that not all are like the few I have met and do my best to not make judgments. I give people the chance to show me who they are first. Maybe I need more friends from the UK so I can find more nice ones! LOL With that said, let me introduce myself, since you seem to be wanting American friends.

My name is Jodi, I'm no one special, just a girl in the Colorado Rocky Mountains. I'm a mom of four boys, happily married, running our own IT/computer repair business. I'd like to think I'm pretty friendly and sociable and love meeting new people.

I can have debates without being nasty or attacking towards someone who may have a different opinion or view on the matter. I do my best to try and understand where people come from and why they may think the way they do. .. Can't think of much else to say about myself. Oh wait, I have a flippin zoo here too! Aside from my four boys I have four cats, one dog, one rabbit, six chickens and a toad.

Thank you. What a lovely description. Colorado! There's a place!

I have been feeling like a leper here just lately. May be that is my own fault a bit.

Yes, some people in Britain are quite course and rude. I think you are kind of more sensitive and gentle in your social interactions (mostly). I like that a lot. I can deal with that.

Well you are just about as special as every other living soul upon planet earth. I am just a small time music maker and artist. I am a bit of a crazy thinker and like thinking laterally very much.

Thank you. Peace to you, your partner, all your children and your Zoo, too

Originally posted by roughycannon

Originally posted by Revolution9
reply to post by roughycannon

 

So you think as a U.K "subject" you have a right to interfere with the American Constitution?

I think you don't really have a right. Ok," on behalf of myself then"

No but I'm allowed to have my own point of view on it.

Absolutely you have a right to have your own point of view on it, even if it doesn't have much bearing on it. Is it just American constitution and laws that you have an opinion on or do you have the same opinion on other countries business too? I am not saying this in rude manner, just curious.

I guess I have never put much time or effort into knowing UK laws to even have an opinion so it seems strange that someone would have such an interest in American politics and laws when they don't even live here.

Originally posted by roughycannon

Originally posted by Revolution9
reply to post by roughycannon

 

So you think as a U.K "subject" you have a right to interfere with the American Constitution?

I think you don't really have a right. Ok," on behalf of myself then"

No but I'm allowed to have my own point of view on it.

Yes, indeed you are! I think sometimes there is too much heat here and distrust. Of course you should state your case. I am sorry I offended you. I did not mean it that way. I just feel that America must make her own mind up about this. We are never going to quite understand that country. Personally, I would not dare to interfere. That's coming from a guy who would never touch a gun. Yet I can understand that others are different and that the U.S is a very different place to the U.K with its own cultural dynamics.

ps. I gave you a star because you tempered my post. I always admit that I am by no means perfect; I just like to keep learning and expanding the mental horizon.

Originally posted by MaMaa

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Personally, I'd say all's good with the vast majority of Americans... Here included.

When your troubles were happening with the riots, you were tolerant at first, speaking in general terms of members from the two nations. Then, your folks moved to being annoyed...and by the end, outright told a few of us off for sticking our noses too deep into telling you how to handle your own business. Some got 'butt hurt' by that, but that was their problem .. Not the UK member's problem.

Now it's reversed and perhaps Americans kinda skipped that first tolerant stage this time... but I think it's about the same for meaningful LONG term harm or impact. I'll certainly say that troubles may come and go between the two world powers, but in the end? Americans ultimately came from England, in my view and that of History for the most part. It's a bond that can never be broken entirely, no matter what idiots we have in power to either nation.

Americans and Brits are brothers...and occasionally siblings need to have it out and clear the air ...but being siblings never changes.

Not all American's ultimately came from England. Now admittedly some of my Scottish relatives may have come from England much further back, but I am also part Native American and that is most definitely not British. Hell the British and the British descendants that started this country did their best at wiping the Native Americans out entirely.

....and to think.... people actually ask me sometimes why I speak the way I do in qualifying, clarifying and covering almost every angle while making a point. Someone, somewhere will attack it if a spot is left uncovered.


C'mon... That was King George of the British Empire the Colonists fought to establish this nation we call America today. I'd say that makes the statement that Americans, in general terms, came from England an accurate one. (just my opinion though...I hasten to clarify)

A general thought to add to the thread... If the British don't hold all that as a grudge, I'm sure we can forget this little issue with gun control opinions that change nothing and impact no real issue here in the States anyway.

Originally posted by Revolution9
Thank you. What a lovely description. Colorado! There's a place!

I have been feeling like a leper here just lately. May be that is my own fault a bit.

Yes, some people in Britain are quite course and rude. I think you are kind of more sensitive and gentle in your social interactions (mostly). I like that a lot. I can deal with that.

Well you are just about as special as every other living soul upon planet earth. I am just a small time music maker and artist. I am a bit of a crazy thinker and like thinking laterally very much.

Thank you. Peace to you, your partner, all your children and your Zoo, too

I'm sorry you feel like a leper. I think people just get too emotional about things and someone else having a different opinion often is no different than telling someone they are wrong in their fundamental beliefs. I once heard that man will give up everything all in the name of being 'right'. People don't really know how to communicate very well without insulting someone else's beliefs in general though.

Thank you for the compliment, I do try to be kind, sensitive and well.. gentle went away after having four boys. LOL A crazy thinking music maker sounds like my kind!! We are a music family as well! Three play viola (hubby & two boys), one cello and the youngest is learning the guitar!

Peace to you as well!

Originally posted by MaMaa

Originally posted by roughycannon

Originally posted by Revolution9
reply to post by roughycannon

 

So you think as a U.K "subject" you have a right to interfere with the American Constitution?

I think you don't really have a right. Ok," on behalf of myself then"

No but I'm allowed to have my own point of view on it.

Absolutely you have a right to have your own point of view on it, even if it doesn't have much bearing on it. Is it just American constitution and laws that you have an opinion on or do you have the same opinion on other countries business too? I am not saying this in rude manner, just curious.

I guess I have never put much time or effort into knowing UK laws to even have an opinion so it seems strange that someone would have such an interest in American politics and laws when they don't even live here.

I would guess that western peoples generally do like to keep up with U.S business because you are a very huge cultural influence with us; in media and art, financially, economically, etc. The U.S is very powerful and is still perhaps the very strongest and culturally mass appealing nation upon the earth in terms of desirable lifestyle.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

Originally posted by MaMaa

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Personally, I'd say all's good with the vast majority of Americans... Here included.

When your troubles were happening with the riots, you were tolerant at first, speaking in general terms of members from the two nations. Then, your folks moved to being annoyed...and by the end, outright told a few of us off for sticking our noses too deep into telling you how to handle your own business. Some got 'butt hurt' by that, but that was their problem .. Not the UK member's problem.

Now it's reversed and perhaps Americans kinda skipped that first tolerant stage this time... but I think it's about the same for meaningful LONG term harm or impact. I'll certainly say that troubles may come and go between the two world powers, but in the end? Americans ultimately came from England, in my view and that of History for the most part. It's a bond that can never be broken entirely, no matter what idiots we have in power to either nation.

Americans and Brits are brothers...and occasionally siblings need to have it out and clear the air ...but being siblings never changes.

Not all American's ultimately came from England. Now admittedly some of my Scottish relatives may have come from England much further back, but I am also part Native American and that is most definitely not British. Hell the British and the British descendants that started this country did their best at wiping the Native Americans out entirely.

....and to think.... people actually ask me sometimes why I speak the way I do in qualifying, clarifying and covering almost every angle while making a point. Someone, somewhere will attack it if a spot is left uncovered.

C'mon... That was King George of the British Empire the Colonists fought to establish this nation we call America today. I'd say that makes the statement that Americans, in general terms, came from England an accurate one. (just my opinion though...I hasten to clarify)

A general thought to add to the thread... If the British don't hold all that as a grudge, I'm sure we can forget this little issue with gun control opinions that change nothing and impact no real issue here in the States anyway.

edit on 3-1-2013 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

Certainly I will never have any grudges about differences.

I have seen a lot of your posts and yes you do think from all angles. You live up to that name and you have a dancing intellect I would say.

Originally posted by MaMaa

Originally posted by Revolution9
Thank you. What a lovely description. Colorado! There's a place!

I have been feeling like a leper here just lately. May be that is my own fault a bit.

Yes, some people in Britain are quite course and rude. I think you are kind of more sensitive and gentle in your social interactions (mostly). I like that a lot. I can deal with that.

Well you are just about as special as every other living soul upon planet earth. I am just a small time music maker and artist. I am a bit of a crazy thinker and like thinking laterally very much.

Thank you. Peace to you, your partner, all your children and your Zoo, too

I'm sorry you feel like a leper. I think people just get too emotional about things and someone else having a different opinion often is no different than telling someone they are wrong in their fundamental beliefs. I once heard that man will give up everything all in the name of being 'right'. People don't really know how to communicate very well without insulting someone else's beliefs in general though.

Thank you for the compliment, I do try to be kind, sensitive and well.. gentle went away after having four boys. LOL

A crazy thinking music maker sounds like my kind!! We are a music family as well! Three play viola (hubby & two boys), one cello and the youngest is learning the guitar!

Peace to you as well!

Originally posted by Revolution9
Yes, some people in Britain are quite course and rude.

Some people in [insert any country here] are quite rude and coarse too.

Originally posted by roughycannon
I don't think this thread is necessarily as I think like me we don't have problems with Americans just the gun laws there...

With all due respect, you don't have any actual problems with gun control as you don't live here.

Hey op, I think that relations are just fine. Some people from the UK don't like our gun laws; and that's fine. There's no real problem; people, regardless of geographical location, are just reacting to a tragedy and some of them are bound to decide for themselves what the "real" problem is and how they would "fix" it. You have nothing to apologize for, even if you were hopping up and down screaming for gun control.

So have a good day, I hope everything is well.