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The United States has by far the highest per capita rate of all developed countries. According to data compiled by the United Nations, the United States has four times as many gun-related homicides per capita as do Turkey and Switzerland, which are tied for third. The U.S. gun murder rate is about 20 times the average for all other countries on this chart. That means that Americans are 20 times as likely to be killed by a gun than is someone from another developed country.
Americans clearly love killing each other. Much more than in other countries. They will use what they can get their hands on to do so.
Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by minnow
Yes but what about undeveloped countries? This is BS to put it plainly, because I am sure there are third world countries that have higher instances of gun related deaths especially right in Iraq Iran and Syria.
And they're unarmed citizens being killed by rebels and by their own government. This is such a stupid article, we also have the highest population.edit on 2-1-2013 by ldyserenity because: add
Originally posted by jtma508
Gee... how interesting. I downloaded UN collected data from this source and it clearly shows that the U.S. ranks 28th in gun-related homicides per 100,000 population. Why let facts get in the way of an agenda I guess, huh?
Originally posted by Cocasinpry
It's funny how you people can't even explain how someone would be able to perform a mass shooting without a gun. Would you rather see a psychopath in a public place armed with a gun or with knives/sticks/clubs/pool cues..
Originally posted by Cocasinpry
reply to post by thisguyrighthere
It's funny how you people can't even explain how someone would be able to perform a mass shooting without a gun. Would you rather see a psychopath in a public place armed with a gun or with knives/sticks/clubs/pool cues..
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Originally posted by Cocasinpry
It's funny how you people can't even explain how someone would be able to perform a mass shooting without a gun. Would you rather see a psychopath in a public place armed with a gun or with knives/sticks/clubs/pool cues..
So what's the concern here? Is it overall murder numbers or anomalous events such as mass killings?
They are two very different things and neither has anything to do with the other.
Looks to me like you're trying to have your cake and eat it too by taking a relatively regular occurrence (though still extremely rare) such as murder and tying it to a freakishly rare occurrence, in this case mass killings, in an attempt to portray the mass killings are far more common than they are.
The real shame of it is that even if successful the murder rate will still not change.
So though thousands will continue to die every year you might not see a dozen or more dying at once. And to you that would be a good thing? A rousing win?
Originally posted by Junkheap
Originally posted by Cocasinpry
reply to post by thisguyrighthere
It's funny how you people can't even explain how someone would be able to perform a mass shooting without a gun. Would you rather see a psychopath in a public place armed with a gun or with knives/sticks/clubs/pool cues..
Mass killings can be done without guns. It's not rocket science. It's already been done before.
Originally posted by ldyserenity
Originally posted by Junkheap
Originally posted by Cocasinpry
reply to post by thisguyrighthere
It's funny how you people can't even explain how someone would be able to perform a mass shooting without a gun. Would you rather see a psychopath in a public place armed with a gun or with knives/sticks/clubs/pool cues..
Mass killings can be done without guns. It's not rocket science. It's already been done before.
Yep one just needs to refer to 9-11 to see this, not one of those deaths were by gun unless you count Osama's death. Oh and how about the one there in OK? A cross bow can be re-loaded and kill just as fast as a gun....what next take them too?
How do you think disarming the public would make these things stop OP?
Originally posted by SpearMint
Of course the murder rate would change, much like taking all screwdrivers away would greatly reduce the amount of screws being screwed. It's a convenient tool that also plays a part in the motivation and persuasion to commit the crime. The problem is the US has been blind to this for so long and went over the top with guns to the point where it's almost the same as the population, so the solution is near impossible to implement.
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Originally posted by SpearMint
Of course the murder rate would change, much like taking all screwdrivers away would greatly reduce the amount of screws being screwed. It's a convenient tool that also plays a part in the motivation and persuasion to commit the crime. The problem is the US has been blind to this for so long and went over the top with guns to the point where it's almost the same as the population, so the solution is near impossible to implement.
No, it wouldnt. Please read the Harvard study. Murder rates have nothing at all to do with tool availability.
Please stop basing positions on what you "think" and how you "feel". Empirical evidence trumps feelings every time.edit on 2-1-2013 by thisguyrighthere because: typo