Man arrested after online rant against Liverpool and Hillsborough disaster victims

reply to post by DoomDoomDoomy


Thanks for explaining the video. I just clicked through rapidly and saw the mood change and angry shouting without catching the words much. So his Hillsborough reference was the song? I can understand how that song could be a trigger. The Hillsborough atrocity was in my opinion a deliberate black op. That's bad enough. But setting people up to get heavily emotionally invested in that song is beyond cruel. They're all being told, "The truth's out. Let's blame the coppers and when we've taken part in destroying them we can all welcome the replacement private police with open arms." Problem with that is the private police would be a thousand times worse than anything we've seen. Finding that out too late would be very depressing. People need to get wised up now.

These are the links that explain what's going on.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Without telling the people about Assistant Chief Constable Walter Jackson's apparent mental breakdown which was the main cause of the deaths that song is just plain cruel.

Also you say he's a bit of a musician? To be honest I've heard drunken tramps with frostbitten lips playing better harmonica than that. I can understand how that song would make a musician lose his cool. In my opinion the song is designed to bring people down. And the whole number one thing is a set-up to bring Hillsborough to the front of everyones mind. The reason for that is explained here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Last year it was "I won't do what you tell me!" This year it's "I'll listen to that whiney c***p with maybe two good vocalists and kill off the thin blue line so you can make me a slave to the private police."

We need a few good scousers to stir this up.

If anyone wants to learn a bit about police and mental health issues this is the number one source.

mentalhealthcop.wordpress.com...

Originally posted by Rising Against
reply to post by OmegaLogos

 

Just like ATS ... post what you want ... but don't complain to much if one runs afoul of the ATS T&C's.

We have T&C's for a reason here OL. If we didn't have them, this would be a horrible site to navigate around. Just the same if there were no laws whatsoever regarding speech, if everyone could say whatever the hell they wanted in a public platform, including hate etc, what a terrible place the world would be to live in too.

I'm going to have to disagree with you in this case RA. We should have the right to "free speech" unless that speech specifically threatens the life of another person or something like that.

What this guy did is essentially equal to "trolling", he ranted about a bunch of sensitive stuff to upset people. That happens all the time on ATS and it doesn't break the rules.

In fact ATS members are like masters of saying controversial things, for example: those people didn't really die, their family members must be in on it too, the Government is covering this all up, that rich guy is a satanic rapist.

So clearly ATS is a hub of rants which will greatly upset certain people. And we don't just rant about false flags, we rant about the state of society and how crappy certain places are.

Did this guy really do anything illegal? What is the specific law he broke? Upsetting the peace?


reply to post by unb3k44n7

I think some of you may have overseen the part where the guy in the Youtube video said "I will blow your f*ing heads off" quote, unquote.

That is what got this guy arrested, because it's a death threat, and more than likely the main reason

That explains it much better. If he made death threats then he did break the law.

reply to post by unb3k44n7


That could certainly give some cause for concern.

How would any of us deal with that? Now imagine you're wearing a police uniform. Do you suddenly become superman with visionary predictive perception able to instantly judge accurately whether he just needs a sandwich and a cup of tea to get his blood sugar back up or whether you should hurl him onto the floor and handcuff him before he pulls out a concealed weapon and actually does what he's threatened. Do you see why I give a bit of support to the police?

reply to post by unb3k44n7

I think some of you may have overseen the part where the guy in the Youtube video said "I will blow your f*ing heads off" quote, unquote.

I think you may be mistaken.

He said something like "you are lucky I'm not like that, or I would have blown your f.. heads off."

It technically wasn't a threat.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder


Yeah, good points. Except that rich guy IS a satanic rapist.

reply to post by RogueMcChronic


One of the famous lines is, "Let him have it!"
Did it mean give the gun to the copper or shoot the copper?

I'm on the fence here. If he was of sane mind then I would be against this. To me he seems to be not well mentally, talking about people in Liverpool telling other people that he's nuts, sounds very paranoid and delusional, add in the aggression and mentions of violence(even if he is saying he's not like those people who do go on a rampage) and it's easy for me to see a)why people are concerned and called the police and b)why the police would take some sort of action

should he be charged and convicted? no way. but he doesn't seem right in the head and he probably needs some help

hopefully there will be some common sense, his family will be contacted, and he'll be helped one way or another to address his obvious lunacy

I too am on the fence here, leaning more towards the opposite side from where this guy is.

I too think that freedom of speech should be protected. His video is still there, so I guess that right wasn't taken away.

He was detained, ok. Maybe there could be a better way to approach that situation.

I think what this guy needs is some support and counseling. Recognizing that he needs someone to talk to about this shouldn't be considered taking away his free speech. What we need is more compassion for our fellow man.

I think we need to recognize and help people in need, not just arrest them. Getting cuffed and taken away by the police isn't going to have the right effect.

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For us who are somewhat mentally healthy, or at least are in the majority part of the mental health bell curve, it is hard to imagine someone on the extreme spectrum of that mental state curve. I have had a close friend who experiences episodes and until you have someone close to you lose their mind, its hard for you to imagine how out of their control it really is.

reply to post by Rising Against


So.. did his ranting stop the people from coming back? Do you know what his rant contained? Did his rant retroactively cause the diaster? You would see a man put in jail for his words? Who cares how offensive they are.. sticks and stones remember?

Originally posted by Rising Against
Wow, I came into this thread expecting to see a lot of "well done's", and "thankfully this guy was arrested", but instead I see everyone thus far complaining about it? Seriously? Wow, how absolutely disgusting that is.

The Hillsborough disaster is called a disaster for a reason people. Period. 96 innocent people died that day when they shouldn't have. 96 families were punished in the most horrible way and millions of people even watched this incident take place live on television. It's something that's scarred many. And someone's actually ranting about it and being highly offensive to the victims, victims of which were blamed for their own deaths up until this year until the truth finally came out.

Yet, bearing this in mind, the fact that someone is offending those who wrongly died, some of which were yet to reach the age of 15, the offender is being defended right here on ATS. That actually makes me quite sad to be a member.

Well done for this moron being arrested. He can spew his hate in prison.

Edit: Sad thing is I'll probably be one of the only one's saying this too. But, it has to be said really. This is just pure hate speech from a pure moron. The fact some are defending it sickens me too.

edit on 30-12-2012 by Rising Against because: (no reason given)

Are you joking? You think people should be ARRESTED because of things they say? Who cares if you agree with what is said or not, who cares if you even think what they say is terrible, free expression is a staple of a healthy society. You start arresting those you disagree with, you totalitarianism in a heartbeat.

The fact that an ATS moderator actually supports this just sickens me and even further damages the credibility of this site.

reply to post by bates


This wouldn't have happened if he had Been an American. I love My Freedom of Speech
Foreigners need to understand this. Whatever you are allowed to say is limited and measured. Go across a certain line and off to Jail/Prison for you.

reply to post by Rising Against


What does it matter? Just unplug the computer and or ignore them. If you keep subjecting yourself to their abuse after you have already had an emotional response of dislike to it, it's almost as if you are giving consent.

Look at all the horrible things the US Government does to it's people and even though they know, nobody complains and allows it to happen. They can't at that point because they are going along with it. It's like okay, we know, but we are just going to let you keep on anyways!!

I've said it before, many times on these forums.

The UK does not have a right of free speech.

What we have is called the negative right to the freedom of creation and expression.

Basically this means we can say and do whatever we want, providing it does not contravene any laws, local or national.

Hate speech, in the UK is ILLEGAL under the Public Order Act of 1986.The guy broke this law, and in doing so, lost his rights under the Negative Right to the Freedom of Creation and Expression. While you may not agree with it, and I personally don't agree with it, his arrest IS justifiable under established UK legislation. Quite old legislation at that, too.

You can't ignore a law just because you don't agree with it, neither is ignorance of said law, an excuse.

If you don't like a law, run for Parliament, and change it.

Originally posted by Rising Against Just the same if there were no laws whatsoever regarding speech, if everyone could say whatever the hell they wanted in a public platform, including hate etc, what a terrible place the world would be to live in too.

edit on 30-12-2012 by Rising Against because: (no reason given)

That's only if you assume that everyone is a vile, hate spewer.

Truth is, censorship is never the answer. Hell even kids can tell you that peer pressure is a better motivator than censorship or being punitive.

I'd much prefer that people be allowed to say what they wanted. If, after finding out what that was, I was offended and couldn't change their perspective at least I'd know where they stand.

Just because you stop people from saying something doesn't mean you've stopped them from thinking it or teaching it to their children.

Originally posted by BMorris
The UK does not have a right of free speech.

Rights are not given by government. Rights are inherent.
Just because certain governments deny / violate its citizens' rights, does not mean its citizens don't have those rights.

Originally posted by swansong19


Truth is, censorship is never the answer. Hell even kids can tell you that peer pressure is a better motivator than censorship or being punitive.

I would hope to assume that the police are not censoring this video with regards to the content - more the safety of the guy involved. Again, nothing he said in this video was offensive per sé....rather, the language he used against the people of Liverpool. If for instance this video went viral...the backlash from scousers towards this guy would be more vitriolic than the content of the video.

Moreover, he doesn't have the kind of protection as some like Alan Davies - whose comments about Hillsborough were much more offensive than what this guy said. If this guy was walking down a street in Liverpool after this vid went viral....he wouldn't doing much walking later on. (though that is if the vid went viral) That backlash won't be about any Hillsborough comments rather it would be the comments about the people of Liverpool.

I think a wider lense is needed to fully understand the scope of what he's done and how the police have reacted. It is not a case of people having no free speech, it is not a case of a Government controlling people. Those cards are too easy to play in cases like this. I'm of the opinion that it's simply a case of some poor Joe who happened to spout off some angry opinions about the people of the city he's living in, for one reason or another. Or....he was mad as hell and wasn't going to take it any more.

But...again this is just me speculating, assuming & opining.

Originally posted by Rising Against
Wow, I came into this thread expecting to see a lot of "well done's", and "thankfully this guy was arrested", but instead I see everyone thus far complaining about it? Seriously? Wow, how absolutely disgusting that is.

The Hillsborough disaster is called a disaster for a reason people. Period. 96 innocent people died that day when they shouldn't have. 96 families were punished in the most horrible way and millions of people even watched this incident take place live on television. It's something that's scarred many. And someone's actually ranting about it and being highly offensive to the victims, victims of which were blamed for their own deaths up until this year until the truth finally came out.

Yet, bearing this in mind, the fact that someone is offending those who wrongly died, some of which were yet to reach the age of 15, the offender is being defended right here on ATS. That actually makes me quite sad to be a member.

Well done for this moron being arrested. He can spew his hate in prison.

Edit: Sad thing is I'll probably be one of the only one's saying this too. But, it has to be said really. This is just pure hate speech from a pure moron. The fact some are defending it sickens me too.

edit on 30-12-2012 by Rising Against because: (no reason given)

Sounds like the UK is the perfect home for you. You will enjoy the thought police patrolling, making sure that nobody says anything that upsets you or offends you, or God forbid hurts your feelings.

To the rest of ATS:

The day the ruling powers can oppress our thoughts, no matter how vile and disgusting others may believe them to be, is the day we transform from citizens into servants.

Back to the OP: how disgustingly ironic that you, in your own thread, are spewing your own type of hate towards those who expressed their opinions. I think you should immediately turn yourself in, or at least ban yourself from posting.

Originally posted by SilentKoala

Originally posted by Rising Against
Wow, I came into this thread expecting to see a lot of "well done's", and "thankfully this guy was arrested", but instead I see everyone thus far complaining about it? Seriously? Wow, how absolutely disgusting that is.

The Hillsborough disaster is called a disaster for a reason people. Period. 96 innocent people died that day when they shouldn't have. 96 families were punished in the most horrible way and millions of people even watched this incident take place live on television. It's something that's scarred many. And someone's actually ranting about it and being highly offensive to the victims, victims of which were blamed for their own deaths up until this year until the truth finally came out.

Yet, bearing this in mind, the fact that someone is offending those who wrongly died, some of which were yet to reach the age of 15, the offender is being defended right here on ATS. That actually makes me quite sad to be a member.

Well done for this moron being arrested. He can spew his hate in prison.

Edit: Sad thing is I'll probably be one of the only one's saying this too. But, it has to be said really. This is just pure hate speech from a pure moron. The fact some are defending it sickens me too.

edit on 30-12-2012 by Rising Against because: (no reason given)

Are you joking? You think people should be ARRESTED because of things they say? Who cares if you agree with what is said or not, who cares if you even think what they say is terrible, free expression is a staple of a healthy society. You start arresting those you disagree with, you totalitarianism in a heartbeat.

The fact that an ATS moderator actually supports this just sickens me and even further damages the credibility of this site.

If there was a "Post of the Month Award" I would vote for yours!

But in fairness, this is exactly the type of person you need moderating a site like this. I'm sure the OP has no misgivings enforcing the T&C. After all, rules are rules. Somebody has to enforce them.