My Doctor Send To a Mental Hospital When he uncovered Satanic Abuse

Originally posted by demongoat

Originally posted by TWILITE22
reply to post by WeRpeons

 

I was waiting for someone to bring this up,that was the most disgusting,vile,
and disturbing thing I've seen.Why unless they're practicing child sexual abuse would
one have that in their yard for all to see,why would they have it?
blanetly in your face.They know their protected and don't care that you know it.Makes me want to vomit.Seeing these documentaries makes me look at people a bit differently.
you never know who they are.

And then having satan in the middle of a playground?What's wrong with the people that live there?
It seems they all turn a blind eye to the abuse,I guess it makes their lives easier,shame shame shame
on the people of Jersey Island.

Imo they should all be rounded up and shot,someone needs to be held accountable
and wasn't surprising that it was covered up.Well now that the queen allows satanist to
openly serve in the Royal Navy I'm guessing is one step away from giving the ok to these
muderers and abusers.

What a sick sick world we live in...

wheres the evidence for this? were do the claims come from? if SRA is real and the claims are true where is the evidence?
oh right there isn't any, lots of claims by children, now we all would love to believe our children don't lie or parents wouldn't lie about child abuse, but the facts bear out to lying.

edit on 30-12-2012 by demongoat because: (no reason given)

Your alias here is 'demongoat'.

Evil doesn't present itself as evil unless it serves it. Evil is deceptive by nature. "Satanists" present themselves in many ways. That's why you would be hard pressed to find the most evil Satanists by looking for people with pentagrams scratched into their foreheads. The most evil people have a spiritual and psychic relationship with "Satan" that is mature and intelligent. They don't believe Satan is a red devil with goat horns. The same way intelligent Christians don't believe God has a white beard and floats in the sky in a robe. Evil is real. It's a word that means something that exists outside of religious ideas. The same way "bad" and "good" do. The name Satan is a word or name that the uninformed use to label the force that gives the most evil their purpose. Granted there are those who actually declare they are satanists.. but generally they are not the most evil of those who might be considered satanists.. or people who are pure expressions of what evilness is.

I don't know anything about this specific UK story.. but there seems to be a lot of ignorance around here regarding what evilness is. What is it in someone that allows them to command wars and the murder of millions of people? What is the force behind it? Mental illness? If so, you are simply substituting the term mental illness for an existing word that works just fine.

Take any rapist, child killer, mass murderer and you can safely label them Satanists.. because whether they have a complete understanding of it or not, they are satanists.

Originally posted by paraphi

Originally posted by pavmas
Well having spent most of my life in the company of patients their behaviour and eyes always gave it away to me.
I could spot a patient a mile off.

Where should i have learned from a book, my auntie had Schizophrenia I have learned all about mental health by spending my childhood in the grounds of mental homes taking advantage of the shops cafes where they are subsidised and like a small village.

I am afraid that I cannot agree that you can spot people with mental health by “the way they talk” and how “their eyes are focussed”. You cannot ascertain whether someone is sane or not from a TV clip. That is frankly ludicrous and I would be worried if that is your view AND you work in mental health.

Your OP is based on your interpretation the doctor was sane, even though real experts have clearly taken a contrary views. If someone is sectioned then they are very ill and a risk to self or others.

If you truly have miracle mental health diagnostic abilities then you would be a godsend.

Regards

How do you know the real experts are sane? What tests are given to psychiatrists (or other people with the power to commit an individual) to determine their sanity? Experts? Really?

Do you not personally determine people's level of sanity yourself? Or do you refer to experts?

Originally posted by Komodo
wouldn't there be ...court docs that were made public on this case ??

Negative...

He has been "Disappeared" or "Erased".

These people are VERY good at what they do.

reply to post by pavmas


We have the same thing that happened (or should i say that is happening?!?) here in America. Check out "Trance Formation of America" by Cathy O'Brien. It's available on PDF here:

www.conspirazzi.com...

Note: About the first 3rd of the book is written by her husband Mark Phillips. It is kinda blah. When i first started reading it i said to myself, "I thought this was supposed to be shocking. This seems really watered down!" Well, as soon as you get to: "Part II - by Cathy O'Brien," you'll see this is one of the most shocking books you'll ever read. It is sick. Her part starts after all the pictures and documents, if you want to make a beeline past her husband's part of the book. It's a great read.

I have always been interested in these debates about SRA and about the individuals who quite clearly believe in organised "satanic" groups across the world who commit horrible and heinous acts against children and/or others.
I understand that individuals believe it is real because others have called themselves “Satanists” and have committed documented acts of horror but so have others in the name of other gods, entities etc.
I am unsure of the previous individuals who have posted the use of “satanic” as an adjective which encompasses all things evil especially in the case of gruesome murder and/ or child abuse as this word could easily be replaced as some other religious or philosophical ideal and would probably be met with hostility. I say this because people who travel left hand paths of enlightenment who consider themselves satanic (obviously not because of the above reasons) could be just as offended.
Of the hundreds whom this doctor has engaged with where is the evidence, where are the arrests?
Eye witness testimony is considered a very poor form of evidence.
I guess the movies, books and money people accumulate off of SRA make up for it.
I guess one may back into the conspiratorial corner of it being covered up etc but is that really good enough to state such serious theories?
Why don’t we put forth a true documented conspiracy of child abuse cover up? We all know what I’m talking about.
Why don’t we look at the true horror of child abuse which is generally perpetrated by the ones close to us? I guess we don’t like to look at ourselves, family members and community who are the real offenders and not some scary monster hiding underneath “elite, bureaucrat, royal, political” cover ups because that would be a little to close to home wouldn’t it?
I would also like to address the comments about being able to tell if someone is experiencing a mental health issue by watching an interview. If the individuals who have claimed they have worked or have engaged with people who have mental health issues they would know that no one can be impervious to it, that one can seem quite “normal” and have their good days and bad. Those that are qualified to diagnose generally do so over a period of time/sessions.
I agree with the comments of others that there is more evidence to discredit SRA then there is to support it…. Which is none by the way even after serious investigations….

It seems that this doctor did care about his patients, but saying members of the royal family are practicing satanists, and that 10% of England are practicing satanists can get you in alot of trouble.

I don't know what to make of it, cause I don't know any of the facts of the cases involved, but as a Doctor, you have to question what mentally ill people are telling you. You cannot believe everything, just because they all tell the same story. It's a story that's been around for hundreds of years.

Anyway I believe his intentions at the start were good, but he let himself get too caught up in it. Maybe he was a very religious man, and thought it was his duty to do this?

either way, pretty interesting story. Reminds me of the supposed satanic cult that were said to be operating in and around that huge mental hospital on Staten Island ,NY, back in the 80's. That documentary "Cropsey" or whatever it was called. Seemed to me like it was just an old local tale told to scare kids from playing around in the woods around this Mental Hospital.

reply to post by pavmas


To be honest, your doctor could have been crazy. Having studied psychology and nearing a degree in it and in theology, philosophy and counseling. I have to say that their are instances of doctors being crazy. There is no shame in not being able to tell if a doctor is crazy, they call them psychopaths/sociopaths, paranoid, and many others. In my opinion the people he saw he was, possibly, using hypnosis on them or very basic NLP that would reel them in and play on these people's paranoia's and fear. Chances are these people were victims, but they were victimized again by your doctor who exploited them, because of his mental illness. Once again, just my opinion, but it has happened many times before.

reply to post by paraphi


Without 'all due respect' (none is due, in debating terms, as a result of your pomp & unceremonious trashing of the premise of the OP) - you know nothing about Satanic abuse, or about mental health either. You claim that someone is 'far gone' if they are in a hospital. What a pile of crap. You know NOTHING about mental health, nor do you know anything about ritual Satanic abuse. That specific sort of abuse most certainly DOES exist, at every level of society, in different forms (though my intuitions & observations lead me to believe in the general decency of the ruling authorities here in the UK, thus I am relatively convinced it is not quite as widespread amongst the rich and influential as the some would have us believe..)

In fact, I have personally witnessed people carrying out all manner of actions in line with Satanic worship - these people were 'working class', and highly organised, in great number. The actions & plans I observed/ became privy to, amounted to multiple sustained campaigns of vitriol, intimidation & fear-inducement against particular victims, intended to cause breakdown/ social drop-out, even suicide.

The people perpetrating these actions commented extensively on their worship of Mankind's spiritual/ trans-dimensional Enemy ('Satan'), and of their complicity with his forces (demons) - also their practice of demonically aided manipulation of elemental forces - black magic. I witnessed some of the effects of these practices on the psychology of the victims, on actual material objects, on circumstance (manipulation of). I was openly asked to join the ranks of the abusers - I was told that the most senior of all demonic powers ('Satan') had asked for me by name, demanding not that I be abused, but that I be recruited.

I was asked directly to join forces with Satan, and declined.

I was then systematically ousted from the group (whom I had previously lived and socialised with), and made a target of abuse myself. Forces were unleashed against me that led me to the edge of insanity; nightmares, manifestations in the shadows, hallucinations of various types - plus a wide group of apparently disparate individuals, seemingly with preternatural knowledge of myself, with demonic affectations in their mannerisms, stalking and persecuting me in various ways, around the UK, for many years.

Thankfully I found a way to escape from the snares of their circle of influence, and eventually (after much philosophising, much reflection, much spiritual searching & various attempts to rebuild my life) came to a living Christian faith - as a means of overcoming the supernatural persecutions. Such demonic persecutions rarely, if ever, otherwise leave you, once you have been targeted - in a sense, the very experience ultimately 'leads a person home' (early) to the highest, and only fully effective, restorative & regenerative spiritual path. The only spiritual power by which that trans-dimensional Enemy is defeated, is that of Christ - the Alpha & Omega..

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So yeah - you know nothing, and are not qualified to comment. I've been down the rabbit hole, and it runs deeper than you could possibly imagine. By the Hand of grace, I was pulled back out again, restored to active service, and caused to be absolutely capable of staring that Enemy in the face & resisting his efforts to intimidate. If you haven't experienced Satanic persecution, don't even dare to judge those who have, or who are experiencing it now. You have no right, and could even be setting yourself up for a fall.

RE: hospitals - many people need a stay in a secure environment, for simple mental health disorder - in order to come to terms with certain strains and stresses that can affect a soul during this lifetime. Some are long-term sufferers, but others can recover well enough to go about their business as before - even surpassing former achievements, with never a relapse in sight. They are not a simple group of those that are 'far gone', so stop talking rubbish.

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Even if the OP is making false assumptions, and presents his information inaccurately/ unclearly - doesn't mean that you can swan in here with grandiose statements of 'fact', without giving a shred of conclusive argument - let alone evidence - that you know anything at all about mental health, or the realities/unrealities of various claims of Satainc abuse/ demonic persecutions/ the occult/ the true path of faith that overcomes the Enemy..

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M'eh - I can't be bothered wasting more time on a response to someone who's obviously thoroughly entrenched in a materialistic superiority complex, believing himself to be authoritative on such dark matters - these are matters that oftentimes, even angels dare not consider in all their terrible detail.

FITO.

Originally posted by paraphi
Just a couple of points.

1. If he was sectioned under the Mental Health Act then he had serious mental problems with risk to self or others. If he’s in a hospital, then he’s far gone.
2. Ritual Satanic Abuse has been widely discredited. A couple of decades ago it resulted in accusations which broke up communities and then were found to be false. Any quack can see Satan behind a hedgerow.
3. Jimmy Seville’s abuse is not Satanic.
4. If you give the doctors name (first and surname), plus GMC number, you could probably find a public record of his history as a clinician.

Originally posted by pavmas
My Doctor was Sane you can see this by the way he talks and his eyes are focused.

With the greatest respect, you clearly know very little about mental health.

Regards

Some of your points against mentally ill border on mythological. Hospitals are not long term institutions, and mental illness is not always permanent. Recovery from mental illness happens. If you can't believe in recovery you can believe in remission. There is no actual "far gone" diagnosis; epithets like that come from prejudice against the mentally ill.

Religious beliefs are not to be counted as delusions when assessing mental health. If counting religious beliefs were the case, for example, the entire Phelps family would be institutionalized by now. The idea could be widely discredited but as a religious belief it still doesn't count. Now, the supporting behavior to the beliefs might make the illness, like if he believed hurting others would make things better, that would be mentally ill.

From a Christian worldview, Satanic Ritual Abuse does still happen. The evidence is not going to be material, but spiritual. I don't side with any accuser of what was satanic or not. Not like that is going to be accepted by people who don't believe.

It's disappointing to see a doctor slip into mental illness. With the right treatment, he could recover. I don't know how he would ever shrug off the stigma idiots bring after the event, to get past the harm illness has on one's reputation in society. I have seen doctors who still practice after a mental illness, but after hospitalization, I suppose it depends on the state licensing board whether or not they can practice in the future. Bias is everything here.

Originally posted by KrzYma
this is just right! anybody who believes in such things like satan or his opponent need a treatment

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do you know for sure this interview was the reason? maybe he was just ill...

Are you being dense and antagonistic on purpose, or is that just a natural state for you?

This man's alleged committal had nothing to do with his personal spiritual beliefs. Furthermore, you can not lock someone up for entertaining a particular religious belief, no matter how nutty it may be.

The allegation was that he was committed for believing the stories of ritual abuse from patients or whatnot. In this case, the belief in satan would not be the doctor's belief, or necessarily even the patients, but their alleged abusers.

Was that really too difficult for you to follow, or did you just want to say something antagonistic and insulting to those who may hold christian beliefs?

I understand people make mistakes, but why isn't anyone fixing the grammar in the title?

Does anyone know whatever happened in regards to the investigation of the body of a woman who was found at the Queen's Sandringham estate sometime around last Christmas (where the Royal family spend Christmas)? It was a big story, the Queen was there at the time the body was found and remained there while it was being investigated. It was determined that there was a high likelihood of foul play, and an autopsy was to be performed to shed light on whether she might have been stabbed to death (the body was decomposed and had been there for some time) - then NOTHING.. didn't hear a thing after that, the story just, died, seemingly without any follow up.

3 Jan 2012 – The discovery of a woman's body on an estate owned by Queen Elizabeth has become a murder investigation, British authorities said Tuesday

The disturbing find of the body comes less than a year after the body of an American man was found in a park yards from Buckingham Palace.
Robert James Moore, who was obsessed with the royal family, had sent hundreds of letters to Queen Elizabeth and camped out near the Palace.
His body was discovered in March 2011, and it is believed he had been dead for nearly three years.

Read more: www.nydailynews.com...

Give her as much torture and grief as the glory and luxury she gave herself. In her heart she boasts, 'I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never mourn.'

~ Revelation 18:7

Originally posted by pavmas

Originally posted by KrzYma
this is just right! anybody who believes in such things like satan or his opponent need a treatment

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do you know for sure this interview was the reason? maybe he was just ill...

No this guy was sound, his practice nurse told me that he had proof and they were scared, and all the staff wished he would just shut the centre down and ignore it.

Here is another article, it seems they laughed at him and in the Discovery channel doc they try to discredit the paitents.
This guy was a good doctor and intelligent man who did his job correctly, he uncovered abuse and his paitent and he were made fun off what i thought was strange.

Where have you ever heard of a doctor paitent relationship made fun off' what ever the problem.

weeklyworldnews.com...

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It is what they do here in the UK and without a doubt around the globe...If you pose a threat by exposing the truth of the criminality which is suffocating this Country...they have you sectioned. It is the defence they use as a last resort to silence you.

Originally posted by MsUnitedK
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It is what they do here in the UK and without a doubt around the globe...If you pose a threat by exposing the truth of the criminality which is suffocating this Country...they have you sectioned. It is the defence they use as a last resort to silence you.

Maybe I should have kept my mouth shut, I could be next.

Do you know if he went by Jimmy Phillips? Idk I just typed it in the search box. I may be far out of the box...

www.publications.parliament.uk...

Originally posted by paraphi

Originally posted by pavmas
I know quite a bit about mental health,

If you think that by telling whether someone is sane by the “way he talks” and whether “his eyes are focused”, then I stand by my assertion that you know bugger-all about mental health. You may think that you do, but you don’t. I say that with the greatest respect and not wishing to offend.

Satanic abuse was made up. It was a disgrace that destroyed families and marred communities in the 1980’s and 90’s. I remember clearly the Cleveland (UK) scandal.

If you know so much of this doctor, then disclose his GMC number and / or first name.

Regards

Easy tiger, The OP mentioned people with mental health problems and not the mentally Insane, the two are not the same, please try and cut him a bit of slack.
What if I told you that in the 50's and 60's in Ireland It was not uncommon for pregnant single girls to be thrown into Mental Assylums for no other reason than becoming pregnant out of wedlock?
I suggest that the OP's experience is plausible and his thread is well researched. It would not be the first time that a professional had been "sectioned" for raising a case that the powerful establishment figures would rather have burried.

You cite the Cleveland sex abuse scandal being falsely linked to Satanic ritual/abuse, as far as I am aware, this was junk journalism and it was never proven to have been linked with such rites.
If my memory serves me correct, it was centred around 2 peadiatricians: Dr Marietta Higgs and her male colleague Dr Geoffry Wyatt of Middlesbrough General Hospital who used a very questionable "anal dialation technique" to examine infants and determine if they were being subject to sexual abuse. They were responsible for the removal of more than 100 children from their homes and placing them in care of the Social Services. Both were later discredited after an Inquiry and Wyatt was struck off the medical practitioners list.

For what its worth, I do not remember the first names of my Family doctors of more than 40 yrs ago, it was not practice for them to have their first names on the plaques in their surgery. If the OP knew I thiink he would have posted it already. oh i see that he has

PEACE,
RK