A LightWorker's Request - Come and ASK

Originally posted by GreeneLight
There is no process, this idea of a process is, how 'you' would say; "made up". "Made up" by the Scholars of this realm, the ones who "possess great knowledge" and love to give definitions to that which they cannot... decipher; one could say.

One who seeks knowledge for the sake of knowledge, will never find meaning.

Wrong, that isn't how it works.

Ask

What for, if the person your asking can't give a clear answer.

We wish to propose that 'you' look at the bolded section of your above annotation.

My friend, 'you' have proved our point. 'You' have created a thought, based on 'your' database of knowledge. This idea of "lame fortune cookie" and "yoda wanna be style" that you speak of (one cannot deny this, for it is clear in the above quote). 'I' have/had no knowledge of such "style", for it never existed in my "database".

That doesn't mean that you didn't use it and that it is an inefficient way of getting knowledge across.

'You' are the only one who has been calling whatever "this" is, a so called "style". Therefore, there is nothing that any being could say or do to destroy such a thought, for it is of 'your' creation. All we can do, is give an understanding..

The point[ of this thread.

Namaste.

I'm calling it that, and whoever is staring my posts is probably concurring because the format you are using fits those descriptions. You are not really giving any understanding so your thread is a fail. I'm just trying to point out why you're failing but it seems like you refuse to accept any responsibility for that.

If "this" has "failed", then we would not be speaking at the moment.

"Inadequacy" is in the eye of the beholder. For 'you' are the one that applies such 'inadequacy'.

Not always, you seem to have a problem with that bit of understanding.

If 'you' wish to for us to "speak" in a manner of that which 'you' could understand, by - we guess - speaking in what you would called "simple" terms..then 'why' do you speak in the same manner we do?

If you don't realize the difference in the way you speak and the way I speak then maybe you should find someone else to get the message out because it isn't the same.

Think about it, my dear brother..something that this realm has been tricked into not doing.

Namaste.

Namaste? and you want to come off like you have no idea what new age or what some of its ideas are. I call BS and will just let you get on with answering what ever questions others may have, although I would advise them to take anything you say with a few grains of salt.

Some points of reference for you, my brother. From the OP:

However, we guide him in his thought process when approached with the choice of joining into the unnecessary spontaneous conversation(s) that arise when a fellow self decides to post a thread about a topic of concern to him/her.

This is what we have tried not to get engaged in, however, it has occured But with good intentions on our part.

That all that is said shall be taken with a grain of salt of 'your' choosing. Nothing is to be taking for fact, that choice lies within 'you'. For we know that there are those who seek help, who are afraid to ask, there is no reason to fear, loved ones.

Thank you for "suggesting" that these posters take our annotations with a grain of salt. We can see that 'you' have ignored the OP, for it has already been stated.

We wish to offer some guidance for anyone who seeks it; for those who have battled with themselves over the experiences they encounter on a day to day basis.

If 'you' do not seek it, then that is OK, for we have no purpose to 'shun' those who hear, but do not listen. For they will. when the time comes.

We, nor this instrument, are/is "all knowing".

'You' write as if 'you' know more than the one's who don't even post.

We have surrendered this possibility in our case.

We offer our assistance, we offer a '"outside perspective" , if you will. Do not expect 'answers', do not 'expect'.

That is all.

The only one who/that possess "answers", is you

If there are any matters at hand that one wishes to seek guidance on, please ask. Any question may be asked, however do not 'expect' an answer. For the answer will only be a reflection of the quality of the question being asked.

Any question may be asked, however if the core of the question possess no importance, other than that of the benefit of the poster (some reason that could not be applied to others that wouldn't allow for spiritual growth) then the answer will possess similar qualities; in the eyes of the poster. For this is simple fact.

If 'you' do not like the color Blue, and a loved one buys you a new Blue car; would you not like it? Correct, you would not, for inside 'your' mind..you have already made it known (to yourself) that Blue is meaningless to you. However, it may not be to someone else.

There will always be the "nay-sayers", those who are still strongly under the influence of the veil, as well as the illusion. We do not "shun" you away, brother/sister..we actually welcome you here. However, we ask that instead of acting on your impulse to belittle an argument that lies outside of your current understanding, take a second..and think about what it is you are saying.

Something 'you' still fight.

For the first thought form to come to mind will most likely be that which you seek the most information about.

Confusion can lead to understanding, or more confusion; the choice is up to you

What for, if the person your asking can't give a clear answer.

What is "Clear" will be decided by that who reads it.

How do YOU pronounce this sound complex: Tomato

One may say: TOE-MAH-TOE

However, another may say: TOE-MAY-TOE

Same word, same meaning, but different ways of approaching it. However, if one is to say one is wrong and one is right or correct, then that being is presenting qualities of the Scholar. We congratulate that being on his/her wonderful achievement of sustaining "great knowledge".

If any being expects the problems he/she experiences at any time/space to be spelled out for them is very mis-informed.

We apologize to say, but my friend, THAT is NOT how it "works".

reply to post by GreeneLight

If you were really enlightened you wouldn't need to have an escape clause attached to the knowledge that you offer.

BS is BS, regardless if it is clear to the person being duped or not.

If you were really enlightened you wouldn't need to have an escape clause attached to the knowledge that you offer.

Please, if you would so kindly, give us 'your' perspective on what we are "using" as a escape clause.

BS is BS, regardless if it is clear to the person being duped or not.

We would ask a similar question that we just did, what is this BS as defined by you?

If the manner of which we ask this question is unclear, please inform us of how we could be of better understanding.

Originally posted by GreeneLight
Please, if you would so kindly, give us 'your' perspective on what we are "using" as a escape clause.

Blaming the reader for not grasping the message when it is in fact you who can't give a clear answer.

We would ask a similar question that we just did, what is this BS as defined by you?

This whole thread and the idea behind it.

If what you want is a definition of BS and your instrument can't give it to you, then the "One Infinite Creator", more than likely not real, did a piss poor job of selecting the messenger, which has been pretty much my point all along.

Blaming the reader for not grasping the message when it is in fact you who can't give a clear answer.

But, we wish to add.

Please excuse the need for this analogy, for this is how this instrument receives our message:/

If a teacher proposes a "new concept" to the class. In that moment, if your life was paused. Would it be un reasonable to assume that this teacher had a solid "grasp" on the concept. For if the "teacher" did not, he/she would not be, in fact "teaching it".

Now, press play. This teacher begins to write on the chalkboard, and speak English. The words of which the teacher speaks, make sense to you. It is understood, that the teacher is trying to teach you the new material or the new concept that is required by your school's curriculum.

Maybe it is a math class, and the teacher is trying to teach the class how to use a formula, or why the formula is needed, or what the formula performs.

Now, sitting in class. One's mind begins to work. Some concepts just work; they are fully understood in your mind, they just "click" with you. You may or may not be taking notes at this time. If you are, and you understand (for some reason) what the teacher is saying, then you probably understand your own notes. By that, we mean that if 'you' came back in a future time to those notes, you could essentially teach yourself.

On the other hand.. you could be like most students and you just do not understand, it does not "click" inside of you. You do not know why, just for some reason you cannot "grasp" the new concept, maybe because it is "too hard"..for what reason it may be..no one knows.

Now, if the student goes through the entire course and never goes to extra help, or never asks any questions in class( even though the teacher asked "a thousand times"... "are there any questions...?)..he/she will probably get a bade grade. Once this bad grade has been received, the student will do what..? In most cases, the student will "blame" the teacher; for what reasons?...there are many. Maybe: "she/he did not explain it right".. "she/he is mean".. "she/he is a bad teacher"..."she/he never answered my questions.." (even though the student never asked).


Now, we wish to bring you out of the analogic world, if you could say that . And bring you back to your statement, speaking in context of the teacher/classroom scenario we described.

Blaming the reader for not grasping the message when it is in fact you who can't give a clear answer.

Remember, we are speaking in terms of the above scenario. Would you agree, in the classroom scenario, that in fact the teacher had a very good understanding of the "new concept". However, unless she taught the students...the students would have never understood in any shape/form, unless they sought out the "new concept" on there own terms.

It is not the teachers teachings were unclear in general, they were just unclear to the student because it was not a thought process that they had ever gone through. However, the point of teaching, is too inspire learning. The only way for the student to actually "learn" the "new concept" was to let their own frustration pass of their ultimate mis-understanding , and actually ask questions to further his/her understanding. OR seek an understanding outside of the classroom; "On his/her own terms"

Would you agree that the message wasmade clear once the teacher's offered help was accepted, and not fought off by maybe: fear that the other kid's would think he/she is "dumb" for asking, or maybe the fear off accepting that he didn't know anything about the "new concept" before help was accepted and recieved.

If the student actually did accept and recieve help, as many times as he/she did...that when that report card came; that A look preeety good. Probably felt better too.

Originally posted by GreeneLight
Now, if the student goes through the entire course and never goes to extra help, or never asks any questions in class( even though the teacher asked "a thousand times"... "are there any questions...?)..he/she will probably get a bade grade.

You may find people here who never even signed up for the course so they have no idea what the vocabulary you are using means and your carrying on as if they automatically should and are quick to blame them for misunderstanding.

Remember, we are speaking in terms of the above scenario. Would you agree, in the classroom scenario, that in fact the teacher had a very good understanding of the "new concept". However, unless she taught the students...the students would have never understood in any shape/form, unless they sought out the "new concept" on there own terms.

This isn't a classroom scenario which is why you made a mistake in thinking that you could apply that method to this medium.

It is not the teachers teachings were unclear in general, they were just unclear to the student because it was not a thought process that they had ever gone through.

I'm in the position of a student that understands and realizes the the teacher is doing an awful job of explaining things and may have a couple of things wrong. The teacher in this case does not like me pointing this out.

This whole thread and the idea behind it.

We will speak in the manner of which your instrument as "asked" us to speak in..or what we think he/she meant:

Simplicity


Please, if you would not mind most graciously, grant us with the knowledge of what you thing the "idea" is "behind" this thread.

If what you want is a definition of BS and your instrument can't give it to you, then the "One Infinite Creator", more than likely not real, did a piss poor job of selecting the messenger, which has been pretty much my point all along.

The idea of "BS", we think is to shorten the amount of time one writes "Bull Sh*t". The idea this instrument gives, and that we give also of "Bull Sh*t" is: the meneur from a male cow, using the sound complex "sh*t" in replace of "meneur" ;or whatever one may wish to use to describe the droppings of a male cow.

However, we can also see that 'you' could have also been sarcastic (you sneaky devil, you) ; which would make more sense in the context of this "thread"..

** for the reason that one would be speaking about the meneur of a male cow, is beyond our understanding**

In the sarcastic sense, we would "assume" (in ways of which this instrument could not fatholm..nor do we at this current space/time) that your instrument attempted to relate that of which he understood with this thread, to the general purpose of the existence of the excrament of a male cow. Which is to say, meaningless and is just an annoyance to anyone that is around it; gross, disgusting, vial..its safe to say that it is something just doesn't agree with you. You do not know why the visual imagery of, and just very being of "poo"..along with all of its scents/smells/sounds...is not pleasing to you; but it would be safe to say (in all cases) that you do not like it..

So, speaking in terms of that which 'you' could understand..whilst also taking into the fact that you are very clever (you have such great knowledge of how to use "sarcasm" in many ways).. the "idea" of this BS

of which 'you' (and we both made it clear before, that it was in fact only 'you'... ) was this..in it's original written text, of which you cannot say did not exist the moment this thread was created.. for they are in the OP:

Before we begin, we wish to make it known. That all that is said shall be taken with a grain of salt of 'your' choosing. Nothing is to be taking for fact, that choice lies within 'you'. For we know that there are those who seek help, who are afraid to ask, there is no reason to fear, loved ones

**If you do not understand why we thought that others were afraid to ask: please refer to our previous analogy of the student/classroom/teacher**

We, nor this instrument, are/is "all knowing".

We also made it known to all, for the benefit of the greater good that:

However, the choices made by this instrument over the course of his life, has allowed for his thought process, as well as spiritual connection to evolve at an ever increasing rate.

We offer our assistance, we offer a '"outside perspective" , if you will. Do not expect 'answers', do not 'expect'.

Just for "sh*ts and giggles", we wanted to prove the classroom/teacher/student analogy before, but at that current space/time, you had no knowledge of it:

A direct message from your teacher...from the OP: Ridden of the distortions by this instrument.

We want to help, that is our purpose... You all have lessons that need to be learned...However, you are not alone in the classrooms where you are being taught....instead of walking in, and sitting in the back, where you hope to not be called on; come to the front, and truly try to understand the matters at hand. We are your teachers, we teach/learn while also fulfilling the purpose of schooling.. learn/teach.

Unclear questions from the student, cant be explained well by the teacher:

If there are any matters at hand that one wishes to seek guidance on, please ask. Any question may be asked, however do not 'expect' an answer. For the answer will only be a reflection of the quality of the question being asked.

The teacher is there to teach, that is it. If the student chooses not to ask questions, they get a bad grade. But after school help was offered:

We do not expect anyone to even ask, for the another purpose of our being here is to simply offer.

Only fear of what the class, or the student may think of him/herself is the harm:

Do not fear, loved ones. What harm could possibly come from seeking an outside perspective?

We hope these annotations have sufficed. You are doing well, brother. We leave you now in the Light and Love of our One Infinite Creator.

Namaste.

edit on 2-1-2013 by GreeneLight because: (no reason given)