Experiences with Angels? Real or not?

I have far less reason to believe any human telling me they are an angel, than the disciples had to believe Jesus. Jesus walked, talked, and lived his life according to truth. There was no avoidance, nor "wait on Father" talk. He said that Father was in him and he was always ready to talk, show and or prove himself.

Giving good advice has nothing to do with lying or telling the truth. You can lie to someone and in the same sentence give them good advice.

Originally posted by SpiritofEnoch
reply to post by Jameliel

 

All I'm saying is that you have as much reason to believe somebody who claims to be an angel as the disciples had to believe that Jesus was the Christ. In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter if they were lying or not. Either they give you advice that helps you to be the person you want to be, or they give you meaningless stories that do nothing to help you be a better person. The fact of the matter is, it's up to you to choose which it is. If Jesus wasn't the son of God, I'm still not hurt to follow him, because I myself believe in his goals of loving each other. That's what I aim for. It's not about trying to find a way into heaven. It's about being what I consider to be a good person. If God has a different idea of what a good person is, then I'm not sure that's a God I want to serve. That's where faith comes in.

reply to post by Jameliel

He said that Father was in him and he was always ready to talk, show and or prove himself.

Yes, when Brother was here, he had himself as the controlling entity of the vessel, and Father inside of him, acting as the soul. If Brother did not know a question asked of him, Father was right there to give the answer immediately, so there was no waiting period for him to get the answer.

Since Brother is above all, Father will respond to him first, before he will respond to the others. Father knew that his speech would be recorded in what man has in the bible today, so Father made sure there was no delay in the others getting their answer.

Also, he did not always do what was asked of him because of lack of faith.

Matthew 13:56-58

“And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, ‘Only in his hometown and in his own house is a prophet without honor.’ And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.” (Matthew 13:56-58)

Also, it is to be noted, the Bible does not record all of his speech as we are given.

John 21:25

Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

Brother indeed tell many, that they will have to wait for a given time.

There was no avoidance, nor "wait on Father" talk.

Luke 24:49

"I'm sending you what my Father promised. Wait here in the city until you receive power from heaven."

Brother told them to wait, until above works and do what is needed.

Another verse:

Jesus took his disciples to the shore of the lake. "Observe those who fish," he said; "they wait patiently until the net is full before they draw it in, and they gather fish of every sort. Some they take home with joy, while others are returned to the lake. Nor is every fish which passes through the net caught up with the net when it is taken into the boat. It will be the same with you, if you are to be fishers of mortals. You must wait patiently until the seeker is ready to be brought within the Church. Many whom you instruct will never be brought in, and of those brought in, many will return to the world.

If Brother instructed his disciples to wait until the ones they are speaking to are ready, Father does the same for the ones above. As the disciples will be lead by the spirit on when to know they are fully ready for what is needed of them.

Brother also turned down requests for him to speak to others.

Mark 1:35-38

Rising very early before dawn, he left and went off to a deserted place, where he prayed. Simon and those who were with him pursued him and on finding him said, “Everyone is looking for you!” He told them, “Let us go on to the nearby villages that I may preach there also. For this purpose have I come.”

Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by Jameliel

 

He said that Father was in him and he was always ready to talk, show and or prove himself.

Yes, when Brother was here, he had himself as the controlling entity of the vessel, and Father inside of him, acting as the soul. If Brother did not know a question asked of him, Father was right there to give the answer immediately, so there was no waiting period for him to get the answer.

Since Brother is above all, Father will respond to him first, before he will respond to the others. Father knew that his speech would be recorded in what man has in the bible today, so Father made sure there was no delay in the others getting their answer.

Also, he did not always do what was asked of him because of lack of faith.

Matthew 13:56-58

“And they took offense at him. But Jesus said to them, ‘Only in his hometown and in his own house is a prophet without honor.’ And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.” (Matthew 13:56-58)

Also, it is to be noted, the Bible does not record all of his speech as we are given.

John 21:25

Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

Brother indeed tell many, that they will have to wait for a given time.

There was no avoidance, nor "wait on Father" talk.

Luke 24:49

"I'm sending you what my Father promised. Wait here in the city until you receive power from heaven."

Brother told them to wait, until above works and do what is needed.

Another verse:

Jesus took his disciples to the shore of the lake. "Observe those who fish," he said; "they wait patiently until the net is full before they draw it in, and they gather fish of every sort. Some they take home with joy, while others are returned to the lake. Nor is every fish which passes through the net caught up with the net when it is taken into the boat. It will be the same with you, if you are to be fishers of mortals. You must wait patiently until the seeker is ready to be brought within the Church. Many whom you instruct will never be brought in, and of those brought in, many will return to the world.

If Brother instructed his disciples to wait until the ones they are speaking to are ready, Father does the same for the ones above. As the disciples will be lead by the spirit on when to know they are fully ready for what is needed of them.

Brother also turned down requests for him to speak to others.

Mark 1:35-38

Rising very early before dawn, he left and went off to a deserted place, where he prayed. Simon and those who were with him pursued him and on finding him said, “Everyone is looking for you!” He told them, “Let us go on to the nearby villages that I may preach there also. For this purpose have I come.”

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It is easy to pick and choose from scriptures. I can do the same, but I don't see the point in going in a circle. Do you have some angelic experience you care to share?

Originally posted by SpiritofEnoch
reply to post by Jameliel

 

All I'm saying is that you have as much reason to believe somebody who claims to be an angel as the disciples had to believe that Jesus was the Christ. In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter if they were lying or not. Either they give you advice that helps you to be the person you want to be, or they give you meaningless stories that do nothing to help you be a better person. The fact of the matter is, it's up to you to choose which it is. If Jesus wasn't the son of God, I'm still not hurt to follow him, because I myself believe in his goals of loving each other. That's what I aim for. It's not about trying to find a way into heaven. It's about being what I consider to be a good person. If God has a different idea of what a good person is, then I'm not sure that's a God I want to serve. That's where faith comes in.

In trying to become better, you fail to love yourself as you are. Therefore, you are in hell.

A belief in something more, or hoping for something more is where you fail to see that things are as they should be. So you miss the harmony that is already here.

The only thing to do is love what is already here. Unconditionally. That means don't say, "I love this because..." or, "I don't like this because...". Just be with what is, loving and accepting it as it is and watch the world as if you were watching a movie.

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by SpiritofEnoch
reply to post by Jameliel

 

All I'm saying is that you have as much reason to believe somebody who claims to be an angel as the disciples had to believe that Jesus was the Christ. In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter if they were lying or not. Either they give you advice that helps you to be the person you want to be, or they give you meaningless stories that do nothing to help you be a better person. The fact of the matter is, it's up to you to choose which it is. If Jesus wasn't the son of God, I'm still not hurt to follow him, because I myself believe in his goals of loving each other. That's what I aim for. It's not about trying to find a way into heaven. It's about being what I consider to be a good person. If God has a different idea of what a good person is, then I'm not sure that's a God I want to serve. That's where faith comes in.

In trying to become better, you fail to love yourself as you are. Therefore, you are in hell.

A belief in something more, or hoping for something more is where you fail to see that things are as they should be. So you miss the harmony that is already here.

The only thing to do is love what is already here. Unconditionally. That means don't say, "I love this because..." or, "I don't like this because...". Just be with what is, loving and accepting it as it is and watch the world as if you were watching a movie.

You seem to think you are supremely enlightened or something. I am no spring chicken and I am well aware of unconditional love, If you feel you want to love everything unconditionally, and this feels right to you, then go ahead. Telling me what to do doesn't do anything to cause me to want to accept your opinion as my own. I disagree with you but I don't dislike you. You can tell what you do, but telling me what I should do is silly.

I love some things, but others I do not love and will not "just accept". I accept things which I absolutely cannot change, but I do not accept others. If you feel at peace with your way, then God Bless. I however do not walk with your ideology in my mind or heart. I see your point, and even partially agree, just not 100% in the same way you do.

According to what you just said, the way I think and am writing is "not bad". Its a sort of "everything is as it should be" philosophy. So if you're going to preach that and live it, then stop telling me to think and live your* way. In so doing you undercut what you just wrote.

You can neither experience anothers angelic experience, in the same way you cannot experience anothers' backpain...

Kind of a ridiculous question...sorry...

A99

Originally posted by akushla99
You can neither experience anothers angelic experience, in the same way you cannot experience anothers' backpain...

Kind of a ridiculous question...sorry...

A99

You make no sense. If someone believes they have/had an angelic experience, they can write about it and share. Your analogy is ridiculous and has no bearing to the question. You seem in the mood to debate, but there's nothing left to debate with you in regards to the OP. If you have or believe you have had an angelic experience, then share it. If not, then I don't really care what you have to say on the matter. Type on.

reply to post by Jameliel


In the first two paragraphs, I pointed out the problem, and I was just trying to help, and so pointed out the solution. Saying, "If you follow this solution, then you can overcome this problem". I can't make you do anything you don't want to. I don't care if you trust me or not. I was just trying to share something with the world that I believed could help.

Originally posted by Jameliel

Originally posted by akushla99
You can neither experience anothers angelic experience, in the same way you cannot experience anothers' backpain...

Kind of a ridiculous question...sorry...

A99

You make no sense. If someone believes they have/had an angelic experience, they can write about it and share. Your analogy is ridiculous and has no bearing to the question. You seem in the mood to debate, but there's nothing left to debate with you in regards to the OP. If you have or believe you have had an angelic experience, then share it. If not, then I don't really care what you have to say on the matter. Type on.

I'm not saying they couldn't or shouldn't...but you are talking of personal experiences that relate specifically to said individuals, and as such, are open to ridicule and distraction of details by 'anti' posters...

I apologise if you are taking my posts personally...they're not only for you...

A99

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by Jameliel

Originally posted by akushla99
You can neither experience anothers angelic experience, in the same way you cannot experience anothers' backpain...

Kind of a ridiculous question...sorry...

A99

You make no sense. If someone believes they have/had an angelic experience, they can write about it and share. Your analogy is ridiculous and has no bearing to the question. You seem in the mood to debate, but there's nothing left to debate with you in regards to the OP. If you have or believe you have had an angelic experience, then share it. If not, then I don't really care what you have to say on the matter. Type on.

I'm not saying they couldn't or shouldn't...but you are talking of personal experiences that relate specifically to said individuals, and as such, are open to ridicule and distraction of details by 'anti' posters...

A99

This is important. The way we receive Word from God is very personal and is almost always in a specific way that we need to grow and learn to make important decisions with a clear mind and heart. You cannot lock yourself into thinking "If this were true, then this would happen. If you're there, God, show yourself." Any thoughts that are repeatedly distracting us from our growth, these are the obstacles. Talk yourself through it. Say "No matter what, I love God. He is always there for me, even when I cannot see it or do not believe it." Allow your faith to reconcile what you know with what you've seen. What others have seen is not what you have seen and it never will be, no matter how you write it. By all means, learn from the experiences of others, but do not forget that you have your own experiences, and there is a reason that they are the way they are.

(I was writing this for myself as much as anyone, so I hope you'll forgive me if this sounds critical.)

Originally posted by SpiritofEnoch

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by Jameliel

Originally posted by akushla99
You can neither experience anothers angelic experience, in the same way you cannot experience anothers' backpain...

Kind of a ridiculous question...sorry...

A99

You make no sense. If someone believes they have/had an angelic experience, they can write about it and share. Your analogy is ridiculous and has no bearing to the question. You seem in the mood to debate, but there's nothing left to debate with you in regards to the OP. If you have or believe you have had an angelic experience, then share it. If not, then I don't really care what you have to say on the matter. Type on.

I'm not saying they couldn't or shouldn't...but you are talking of personal experiences that relate specifically to said individuals, and as such, are open to ridicule and distraction of details by 'anti' posters...

A99

This is important. The way we receive Word from God is very personal and is almost always in a specific way that we need to grow and learn to make important decisions with a clear mind and heart. You cannot lock yourself into thinking "If this were true, then this would happen. If you're there, God, show yourself." Any thoughts that are repeatedly distracting us from our growth, these are the obstacles. Talk yourself through it. Say "No matter what, I love God. He is always there for me, even when I cannot see it or do not believe it." Allow your faith to reconcile what you know with what you've seen. What others have seen is not what you have seen and it never will be, no matter how you write it. By all means, learn from the experiences of others, but do not forget that you have your own experiences, and there is a reason that they are the way they are.

(I was writing this for myself as much as anyone, so I hope you'll forgive me if this sounds critical.)

Spot on!

T'was all I was really saying...

A99

reply to post by Jameliel

No one but you is attaching such labels to me other than you. The thought supremely enlightened had not crossed my head. I see that it crossed yours though and you don't like what I have to say. Maybe I am supremely enlightened, but you just don't want to be enlightened, so you attack me for trying to teach you what I know?

Originally posted by SpiritofEnoch

Originally posted by akushla99

Originally posted by Jameliel

Originally posted by akushla99
You can neither experience anothers angelic experience, in the same way you cannot experience anothers' backpain...

Kind of a ridiculous question...sorry...

A99

You make no sense. If someone believes they have/had an angelic experience, they can write about it and share. Your analogy is ridiculous and has no bearing to the question. You seem in the mood to debate, but there's nothing left to debate with you in regards to the OP. If you have or believe you have had an angelic experience, then share it. If not, then I don't really care what you have to say on the matter. Type on.

I'm not saying they couldn't or shouldn't...but you are talking of personal experiences that relate specifically to said individuals, and as such, are open to ridicule and distraction of details by 'anti' posters...

A99

This is important. The way we receive Word from God is very personal and is almost always in a specific way that we need to grow and learn to make important decisions with a clear mind and heart. You cannot lock yourself into thinking "If this were true, then this would happen. If you're there, God, show yourself." Any thoughts that are repeatedly distracting us from our growth, these are the obstacles. Talk yourself through it. Say "No matter what, I love God. He is always there for me, even when I cannot see it or do not believe it." Allow your faith to reconcile what you know with what you've seen. What others have seen is not what you have seen and it never will be, no matter how you write it. By all means, learn from the experiences of others, but do not forget that you have your own experiences, and there is a reason that they are the way they are.

(I was writing this for myself as much as anyone, so I hope you'll forgive me if this sounds critical.)

Very well said. Father and above will speak in many different forms dependent upon the person. What works for person A will be different for person B. One person might need a subtle approach, another might need a direct approach. But, in the end, it reaches the same goal. (Growth)

reply to post by jhill76


And you know this to be true how exactly? Are you privy to the higherarchy of heaven?

So you don't think any of this angel and demon stuff is merely stories, fables, legends and religious claptrap passed down for centuries?

Does it not state quite clearly in the christian bible that heaven is within you? As in inside you? And all around you? Therefore makes no sense when heaven is a state of being why on earth there should be these mythical angels and demons unless we ourselves make them up

reply to post by phyllida

So you don't think any of this angel and demon stuff is merely stories, fables, legends and religious claptrap passed down for centuries.

No, angels and demons is what man classifies for above, not what truly is, in the unseen.

I will not edit what I have written here, I will add on: Yes, the angels and demons is mainly stories that have been passed down, because man still does not understand what above truly and accurately does.

Does it not state quite clearly in the christian bible that heaven is within you? As in inside you? And all around you? Therefore makes no sense when heaven is a state of being why on earth there should be these mythical angels and demons unless we ourselves make them up

I do not follow religion, I will not be able to speak from a Christian standpoint. But, the kingdom of heaven is inside of you via way of the Holy Spirit, not the actual physical place of heaven.

And you know this to be true how exactly? Are you privy to the higherarchy of heaven?

I am privy, yes.

Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by phyllida

 

So you don't think any of this angel and demon stuff is merely stories, fables, legends and religious claptrap passed down for centuries.

No, angels and demons is what man classifies for above, not what truly is, in the unseen.

I will not edit what I have written here, I will add on: Yes, the angels and demons is mainly stories that have been passed down, because man still does not understand what above truly and accurately does.

Does it not state quite clearly in the christian bible that heaven is within you? As in inside you? And all around you? Therefore makes no sense when heaven is a state of being why on earth there should be these mythical angels and demons unless we ourselves make them up

I do not follow religion, I will not be able to speak from a Christian standpoint. But, the kingdom of heaven is inside of you via way of the Holy Spirit, not the actual physical place of heaven.

And you know this to be true how exactly? Are you privy to the higherarchy of heaven?

I am privy, yes.

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edit on 7-1-2013 by jhill76 because: (no reason given)

jhill I can understand my earlier responses to you on the forums may have seemed abrasive at times. I could even see you not wanting to respond for a bit, but after some time, when you still dont reply at all, that makes me wonder. There is faith, and there is discernment when not to place any faith into someones words or actions. As men and women walking on the earth, we only learn to judge by others actions over time. What does it say about someone when they refuse to respond at all? From everything I've ever learned, this is not of good. If you have a differing perspective, I am always happy to hear it.

reply to post by jhill76

I do not follow religion, I will not be able to speak from a Christian standpoint. But, the kingdom of heaven is inside of you via way of the Holy Spirit, not the actual physical place of heaven

You say you cannot speak from a christian/religious standpoint and yet you refer to heaven, holy spirit,angels & demons which are reglious in themselves! So that makes little sense to me as clearly you do follow religion and its basic tenets.

You then state you are privy to the secrets of heaven. Care to offer some evidence or elaborate on why you particularly are the proud keeper of such knowledge?

Yes, the angels and demons is mainly stories that have been passed down, because man still does not understand what above truly and accurately does.

Would you mind clarifying this point please? In particular the statement "what above truly and accurately does"? What does that mean what it does???? And what are you referring to by above? And moreover you state man does not understand.....but it seems you are stating you certainly do. Who are you to state that only you understands and no-one else? My understanding of something may not be your understanding but it sure doesn't make it any more right or wrong than your understanding.

What is it with human beings that makes them want to appear to be far more than they actually are? This quest for being so much more enlightened and wise than everyone else?

reply to post by phyllida

You say you cannot speak from a christian/religious standpoint and yet you refer to heaven, holy spirit,angels & demons which are reglious in themselves! So that makes little sense to me as clearly you do follow religion and its basic tenets.

I follow religion as in monitor it against what is, but not follow as in adhere to their teachings, understandings.

Who are you to state that only you understands and no-one else?

You are assuming this, based on what is written. Their are many who understands, but do not speak on said matters, because they do not want to give all that background information that is required for one to fully understand all that is given. I am of different.

Would you mind clarifying this point please? In particular the statement "what above truly and accurately does"? What does that mean what it does???? And what are you referring to by above?

For many, this requires belief, as they cannot see. But, when I speak of above, I am speaking of where man comes from, before he comes here to experience life. When I say what above does, I am speaking of what man would call an angel. Angel is a man made term, that means messenger. Above does more than just pass messages.

What is it with human beings that makes them want to appear to be far more than they actually are?

This is another assumption you have attributed to me, surely not my intent in my words.

Notice how he totally ignores my post. I kept asking the same things you asked him, now he ignores me for some reason. Again, not to try and be negative, but to me, this certainly does not seem to be the way of one who is holy and and of truth.

reply to post by jhill76


I can only assume/presume on what you type. Whatever impression I gain from you is by your own doing obviously. There are many on here who seem to want so desparately to be different, to be more than others, to be "chosen" if you like. The comment wasn't aimed at just yourself.

Everything relating to this subject matter is subjective. I find little if any objectiveness in this matter is possible.

You (and others) state things as being true...that is only your truth...not necessarily mine and you cannot possibly say that your truth is anymore valid than mine or anyone elses'.

Many people when criticised or put on the spot to explain or provide proof, merely avoid the issue by becoming cryptic and secretive which to my mind defeats the supposed objective of the post and alleged message.

Angels? religious claptrap Demons? same....it all boils down to belief. You believe in Angels well you'll see them...you believe in ghosts same applies, you believe in Valhalla and again you'll be there when you die etc etc ad infinitum

Whether you like it or not, you brain absorbs every single thing you see feel hear taste and there are those that find it difficult to differentiate between something they may have read or seen and actuality. There have been occasions when that has happened to me...thought I had experienced something many years ago only to find out my sub conscious was actually wrong and it was a film lol although I could have sworn I'd actually done it!!

We are easily fooled