Unity. Serving others. Serving self.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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The 'control' is effort and seeking.
Being is searching for itself in an illusionary world of it's own making so it can hide, it imagines 'other' and hides behind it. It's the game of hide and seek.

But it was designed this way for a reason. It's not trying to hide, it's trying to enjoy it or learn about it. Hiding is fear. It's not trying to hide.

So
Yes, it's the game of hide and seek. There is only one playing so it has to be cleverly designed or the game will be up. It's just a game, it's a really good joke.

It's only funny when you get it.

edit on 26-12-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

I don't get it. You think life is a joke? It may be a game, but I don't think it's funny. People get hurt. It's worth it though.

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

The 'control' is effort and seeking.
Being is searching for itself in an illusionary world of it's own making so it can hide, it imagines 'other' and hides behind it. It's the game of hide and seek.

But it was designed this way for a reason. It's not trying to hide, it's trying to enjoy it or learn about it. Hiding is fear. It's not trying to hide.

So
Yes, it's the game of hide and seek. There is only one playing so it has to be cleverly designed or the game will be up. It's just a game, it's a really good joke.

It's only funny when you get it.

edit on 26-12-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

I don't get it. You think life is a joke? It may be a game, but I don't think it's funny. People get hurt. It's worth it though.

Life hurts until the joke is got.
Like i said, it's only funny when you get the joke. When you do you will laugh until you cry. And you will be amazed by it all.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Like i said, it's only funny when you get the joke. When you do you will laugh until you cry.
The human condition blinds us from the truth but it will be seen eventually.

The problem i see with this approach is simple, a person could turn out to laugh at crimes against man, woman and humanity. This way of thinking will create a breed of laughing monsters in society.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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You say that you can make yourself silent? Have you tried?
Have you succeeded?

There is no absolute state. Thoughts can be quietened not completely silent in a conscious awake state.

It is impossible to silence the mind. But it is not impossible to recognize yourself as the silence that contains the mind.
What is the mind but a thought appearing? What sees the appearance?

edit on 26-12-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

So why is it that man has been convinced that those thoughts and vain imaginations will do anything other than convince oneself to participate in such things as sexual perversions and evil deeds if that's it's inner desire? Pedophiles justify their behaviours along these lines...their thoughts give them permission and reason away any harm to the child. It's their "higher self" that is doing this, and it's the same "higher self" that devotees of meditation end up finding - an entity that tells them that they are part of divinity, that there is no real good and evil and that knowledge is contained within man which is capable of guiding him through this "illusion" called life. Any person engaged in meditation - going "within" - always comes to these same conclusions. A brain injury tells us the truth of the matter, with some hearing voices and losing any sense of moral distinction that they once had. Many of these patients are hospitalised because they become a danger to not only themselves but others because their brain injury removes the function which provides a barrier to hearing these voices and removes the conscience which stops most of us from acting on our inner desires. Yet, we now have a board like ATS pushing this belief in "higher self" through meditation as the pathway to learn of one's "divinity" and "global consciousness", but what they are doing is physically harming their brains in the manner of brain injury victims, that is, removing the barrier which guards us from acting upon these inner desires that do exist in most of us to some degree. This inner voice is telling them that they are "god" - YET, we institutionalise the mentally insane and brain injury victims who think this way.

The silence of the mind will hear something all right - reasons and justifications like the little devil on shoulders whispering "go ahead, do it, it's love". It's also no coincidence that the silence of the mind leads to possessions and entities spewing out their anti-God dogma of "Do what thou Wilst".

Originally posted by WhoKnows100

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

You say that you can make yourself silent? Have you tried?
Have you succeeded?

There is no absolute state. Thoughts can be quietened not completely silent in a conscious awake state.

It is impossible to silence the mind. But it is not impossible to recognize yourself as the silence that contains the mind.
What is the mind but a thought appearing? What sees the appearance?

edit on 26-12-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

So why is it that man has been convinced that those thoughts and vain imaginations will do anything other than convince oneself to participate in such things as sexual perversions and evil deeds if that's it's inner desire? Pedophiles justify their behaviours along these lines...their thoughts give them permission and reason away any harm to the child. It's their "higher self" that is doing this, and it's the same "higher self" that devotees of meditation end up finding - an entity that tells them that they are part of divinity, that there is no real good and evil and that knowledge is contained within man which is capable of guiding him through this "illusion" called life. Any person engaged in meditation - going "within" - always comes to these same conclusions. A brain injury tells us the truth of the matter, with some hearing voices and losing any sense of moral distinction that they once had. Many of these patients are hospitalised because they become a danger to not only themselves but others because their brain injury removes the function which provides a barrier to hearing these voices and removes the conscience which stops most of us from acting on our inner desires. Yet, we now have a board like ATS pushing this belief in "higher self" through meditation as the pathway to learn of one's "divinity" and "global consciousness", but what they are doing is physically harming their brains in the manner of brain injury victims, that is, removing the barrier which guards us from acting upon these inner desires that do exist in most of us to some degree. This inner voice is telling them that they are "god" - YET, we institutionalise the mentally insane and brain injury victims who think this way.

The silence of the mind will hear something all right - reasons and justifications like the little devil on shoulders whispering "go ahead, do it, it's love". It's also no coincidence that the silence of the mind leads to possessions and entities spewing out their anti-God dogma of "Do what thou Wilst".

Hearing the voice within is not hearing the 'voice of God'. Where did you get that from my post?
One must realize oneself as the quiet that hears the noise. The noise is noise but it puts fear in many and they fight with their inner demons and never come out to see the light of day.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Hearing the voice is not hearing the 'voice of God'. Where did you get that from my post?

You missed the relevant points he was making in his post. Its irrelevant whether its the voice of God or Not. Whether its coming from God or the silence void it doesnt matter, its not relevant to the damage the indivdiual is inflicting on themselves through the die hard practice of the separated self.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

Hearing the voice is not hearing the 'voice of God'. Where did you get that from my post?

You missed the relevant points he was making in his post. Its irrelevant whether its the voice of God or Not. Whether its coming from God or the silence void it doesnt matter, its not relevant to the damage the indivdiual is inflicting on themselves through the die hard practice of the separated type of behaviour.

edit on 26-12-2012 by AthlonSavage because: (no reason given)

If only you could know what it feels like to not have to worry about the noise the mind makes. To enjoy it's chatter. To enjoy it all.
To be space for anything that arises and to embrace but not hold.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

If only you could know what it feels like to not have to worry about the noise the mind makes. To enjoy it's chatter. To enjoy it all.
To be space for anything that arises and to embrace but not hold.

your assuming something here, what makes you think i havent already done that, but came out of it because i realised it was a lifeless truth.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

If only you could know what it feels like to not have to worry about the noise the mind makes. To enjoy it's chatter. To enjoy it all.
To be space for anything that arises and to embrace but not hold.

your assuming something here, what makes you think i havent already done that, but came out of it because i realised it was a lifeless truth.

Why would someone turn their back on a heavenly existence and choose hell?
If you realized it was a 'lifeless truth' you went to the wrong place.

reply to post by WhoKnows100


Good and evil are subjective. But being considerate of others is wise. Respect is key. You don't have to respect everyone. But if everyone respected everyone, there'd be no one to not respect.

You make decisions based on judgement, and that is fine. But if you close the door of service to the ones you deem unworthy, then you are cutting yourself off from yourself. Sometimes this is okay. It's actually okay all the time, but who wants to be distusting and apathic towards everyone? I'd be miserable.

So I choose to help where I can and help myself when I need to. I choose not to ignore people's pain, and I choose to share it with them. This brings understanding and helps me see how I could help them.

But good and bad are subjective. But if you think an action is bad, don't do it. If you're chasing something that you believe is good, ask yourself if this desire is keeping you from being of service to others. Don't do anything that's going to make others want to separate themselves from you.

We all share one consciousness and each of us come to this in our own way.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Why would someone turn their back on a heavenly existence and choose hell?
If you realized it was a 'lifeless truth' you went to the wrong place.

because i saw how somebody followed me down this path of knowledge, and which i wasnt aware of they were doing. I later saw the effect it had on their spirit. The person i can only observe from a far geographial distance from me but indications are the are ok now, in terms of managed to resolve/ the inner conflicts and find a true balance which doesnt require shut out of compassion or empathy.

I've always said and believed and still believe that good, bad, hot, cold, and all those other qualities and adjectives are subjective experiences. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't still experience them or try to stop experiencing them. We're not having absolute experiences, we're having subjective experiences. It's okay to have subjective perspectives.

Originally posted by smithjustinb
reply to post by WhoKnows100

 

Good and evil are subjective. But being considerate of others is wise. Respect is key. You don't have to respect everyone. But if everyone respected everyone, there'd be no one to not respect.

You make decisions based on judgement, and that is fine. But if you close the door of service to the ones you deem unworthy, then you are cutting yourself off from yourself. Sometimes this is okay. It's actually okay all the time, but who wants to be distusting and apathic towards everyone? I'd be miserable.

So I choose to help where I can and help myself when I need to. I choose not to ignore people's pain, and I choose to share it with them. This brings understanding and helps me see how I could help them.

But good and bad are subjective. But if you think an action is bad, don't do it. If you're chasing something that you believe is good, ask yourself if this desire is keeping you from being of service to others. Don't do anything that's going to make others want to separate themselves from you.

We all share one consciousness and each of us come to this in our own way.

Sometimes there are people you do want separate from you - they suck life. Life suckers want from you. They may just want to feel needed and they might just be lonely. They will suck life. Only those who have found the fountain of the life force - the source - will not suck life.
One must return to source and thy cup shall runneth over.

Only when you are overflowing (full) will love and compassion be truly possible.

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Sometimes there are people you do want separate from you - they suck life. Life suckers want from you. They may just want to feel needed and they might just be lonely. They will suck life. Only those who have found the fountain of the life force - the source - will not suck life.
One must return to source and thy cup shall runneth over.

With that philosophy a natural inclination would be to desigate everyone around as a life sucker. That leaves person a position where to see people as energy stealers and nothing more than that. i remember the Nazis in germany had similar ideology.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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Sometimes there are people you do want separate from you - they suck life. Life suckers want from you. They may just want to feel needed and they might just be lonely. They will suck life. Only those who have found the fountain of the life force - the source - will not suck life.
One must return to source and thy cup shall runneth over.

With that philosophy your natural inclination would be to desigate everyone around you as a life sucker. That leaves you in a position where you will see people as energy stealers and nothing more than that.

Have you ever seen the film 'Powder'? It's pretty insightful and well worth a watch.
Do you live in a world full of joy and peace and understanding? If not then why not?
Joy, peace and understanding is available, there is a santuary but it is not found in the world.

When peace and harmony are found inside, peace and harmony is also found all around.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

Why would someone turn their back on a heavenly existence and choose hell?
If you realized it was a 'lifeless truth' you went to the wrong place.

because i saw how somebody followed me down this path of knowledge, and which i wasnt aware of they were doing. I later saw the effect it had on their spirit. The person i can only observe from a far geographial distance from me but indications are the are ok now, in terms of managed to resolve/ the inner conflicts and find a true balance which doesnt require shut out of compassion or empathy.

edit on 26-12-2012 by AthlonSavage because: (no reason given)

You seem to think there is no compassion or empathy in being present and aware. When you are here with what is happening you 'feel' what is happening. You are responsive instead of reactive. When present and aware all is taken into consideration in one hit, the whole scene is seen and the natural intelligence is not blinded by ideas about what is seen - it flows with the scene as it is happening.
I feel great compassion for those who are stuck living in a world of ideas instead of seeing what is real, i see their torment and i remember when i lived that way. I try to show them a way out. It is shocking though, the truth, to find that the 'normal' way is the wrong way, that you have been decieved.

But you had to be decieved otherwise there would be no world for you to hide yourself in. How can you play lost and found if you had not been decieved?

reply to post by Itisnowagain


Around certain people, respect is not given unless you do something that would be considered bad. Around thieves, they expect you to be a thief or they won't trust you. You can learn from them, but they aren't going to learn from you because they are the ones who don't trust you. If you trust them, you'll probably get robbed blind. So what do you do? Hang out with them without trusting them. Don't let them run your life and make you do something you don't want to do. In the company of self serving people, you should be self serving. But you can be self serving and still adhere to your moral codes.

Service to self is okay. But don't do anything you believe is bad, and don't let others control you. When serving others, you don't have to conform to their will. Make your own decision, but try to see where they are coming from. It is important to keep a balance. And it is important to recognize who is looking out for who. Don't get lost as a completely self serving individual who becomes apathic. But keep a balance.

OP, what's your take on this (somewhat esoteric and yet resonating idea) that, now that significant energy from Source is now coming to Gaia (through her ascension and by our choice and intent, our own gradual one) that by our intent we are changing from carbon-based to crystalline-based beings, in essence we will be able to contain more of Source/Soul within our vessel.

I received what I would call a "download" of this vital Source energy on the 12/12, it was completely unmistakable, and I've never had an experience like it before, or since. I also have not been the same person since. I have more vitality, more vibration, literally to the point where I feel like I'm "fuzzy" with that sensation especially in the legs/feet for some reason. Mood is at least twice what it was, joy and unconditional love are easier to take in, and easier to GIVE, especially so.

I believe that humanity is being converted to a new form, right before our very eyes. One that can better contain the Source so we can continue to progress.

Thoughts?




btw, really like your writing style, I think you are much more of a writer and well-sorted thinker than you give credit to yourself, maybe a lesson for yourself to pick up on is that you indeed CAN create things like this after all!

I'd also like to comment on the STS vs. STO paths:

Service to Self, and Service to Others, sometimes people take it literally. Well, consider that it is more of a decision you make each time you choose to do something, based on the Truth of Oneness, or the denial of it.

BUT (to me at least, this is how I have come to KNOW what it means) -

Service to Others is the choice and acknowledgement that indeed we are all One. And that by serving another person I AM serving myself. Because I can see them in me. On the 3D plane it can mean, yes, being of service to someone. But on a higher plane, it could mean coming down from Source existence to SERVE as a lightworker, or a guide, or some form of helper on this 3D plane. Service to Others! OR, it could mean sending love and light to people on this planet and the cosmos, and trying to spread the love you have inside just by BEing who you are.


Service to Self means not just the opposite, but a denial of the One. To incarnate here to serve your own needs and wants, to not uplift the planet, to hold back your expression of love and light, to spread fear and create doubt. Sure it can mean doing things for yourself too.


But see, the difference is that if you are serving yourself with INTENT to serve others by acknowledging the Truth that we are One, then you are in effect still serving others.




Does this resonate with others?

reply to post by fourthmeal

Service to Others is the choice and acknowledgement that indeed we are all One.

One question:

We are all one what? One species?

I mean yes we all appear to be similar in form, but we are also different insofar as there is no two personal existences that are exactly alike. I think that only by examining mankind superficially can we all be one, but this is only an appearance, or an imaginative category. In my mind, to focus solely on similarities is a mistake, as even the similarities themselves are different, and form of course varies across the board. We cannot just dismiss the context of every single constituent in regards to the whole of reality.

Service to others is only possible if we are aware of the other's context. If we are all one, and context is dismissed as illusory, it would seem that service to others is illogical. So I think it is best to think of us as not one, but many, by including and not avoiding separation, difference, individuality, and most importantly, the self.