Sandy Hook Inconsistencies - Unanswered Questions and Missing Information

Originally posted by RedBird

Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

So proving someone on the outskirts of this is alive...
Proves people died? What?
It proves no actors? How?

Are you even paying attention to what you are posting?

What does Gene Rosen being an actor prove?

edit on 26-12-2012 by RedBird because: (no reason given)

By itself, it proves nothing. Added together with all the other conflicting information, the fact that Emilie's father was laughing before taking the interview, the fact that no person is seen with any real tears in their eyes, and several people have been seen wiping away false tears, where there is nothing to wipe away, and the fact that, I personally believe that many people involved in 911 were actors, like Gary Welz, the so called "plane eyewitness", and the fact that many witnesses in 911 were connected to media in high places, or were videographers or worked in animation, and the fact that there are SO MANY inconsistencies in the official story of Sandy Hook, that we have to take this in, with everything else. It's ALL on the table as being possible at this point, even the possibility that Sandy Hook is a CIA playground of sorts, and it exists for the sole purpose of being a "stage". Nothing is or should be "off the table".

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

Mate, no matter what you do, it won't convince some.

I posted a thread about Father Robert Weiss who knew 10 of the victim and got dragged over the coals for it.

Right. Some people dont believe in the fantasy on tv.
So we question it.

Meanwhile the dogmatic religous minded types who believe what tv says without question, assume they know everything and dont need evidence to back it up. They believe questions are the devil.

Its a stark contrast alright.

For the record, I try NOT to believe in anything if I cant help it ( difficult task ) .

Why believe in crap you dont know is true for sure?

Is TV a religion? What happened to science and EVIDENCE?

reply to post by RedBird


Well I'd like to not be called evil for defending the victims and heroes of this tragedy.

Originally posted by RedBird

Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by RedBird

 

Just check the post above yours. I'm now evil....

So according to magik, we're not here to debate anything. And if you disagree with this being a conspiracy, then you also aren't allowed here. I'd reread SOs post. I can't even begin to explain how wrong you are.

My objection was to forbidding discussion of Sandy Hook, or censoring that discussion. I would rather be in this thread right now having to put up with magikmaster and paperbook than not be able to talk about it at all.

Thank you for that. I appreciate that, actually. I do not sense the hostility from you as I have from some others in this thread. Thanks for the civility.

reply to post by magickmaster


As for the quality of this source, you have to say its going to be on par with or worse than the reporting that was done on the terrible events that transpired that day. The reporting of factual information that was from a reputable source went right out the window apparently.
As for this "Did a mass evacuation of the school take place?" section of the article my response is that would never have happened. I work in the CT public school system with special needs, I'll get back to that later. In Connecticut I know that we have a "lockdown" setup for intruders into schools, I have been through numerous drills so I know what happens in a school when there is an intruder. Every teacher locks the door to the classroom after the lockdown is called, they check the hallway quickly for students, close the door and place a green card on the window if everything is okay in the room. If there are injured or otherwise the teacher places a red card in the window. They then make all the children sit against the wall where they cannot be seen from the window, thus reducing the chance of making the room a target and allowing the authorities to move quickly through the building to ensure the safety of the building. At no point is there a mass evacuation, if that were anywhere in the plan then hypothetically these hypothetical other shooters/suspects would have a hypothetical prime target of a mass of hundreds of defenseless children and teachers. I can't remember the place but it was one of the school shootings in the 90s when two boys pulled the fire alarm and shot at the throngs of people leaving the exits. These are the things that leaving the mass evacuation plan out of the picture prevents. As for these other things about how many times he shot per second, that's bull honkery. This kid Lanza could have been a child prodigy with weapons who knows, if he went shooting with his mother from a young age or at all he has some experience, more than some Joe off the street who has only seen it in the movies and the news. Also being that I work with special needs students many of them on the autism spectrum along with other developmental disorders and emotionally disturbed youngsters I see this as a failure of the community, not Newtown itself by any means, not one of those parents asked for this but I adhere to the theory that it takes a village to raise a child. Some how some way this boy fell through the cracks of the system and was a youth whose potential was never realized. Studies show that autistic minds can connect better through electronic communication and if he was left to play violent videogames for hours he would have the angry tendancies of online gamers I assume who throw fits when they lose, and I've seen autism fits before and have endured some pain in the process, but the fact there that there is no one but his mother to calm him down is a scary fact. There isnt enough help and oppourtunity for our young folk todeay and they seem to have the freedom to have zero responsibility for their actions. I know people on the autism spectrum that find this to be applling, I know there are people out there that are not on the spectrum that may do something like this one day, but the fact of the matter is that there is always someone somewhere that isn't going to think something through to find a happy ending for themselves but we must learn to take good with bad and move forward but now kids get what they want and if you always gave someone what they wanted and finally took it away, if they have no fathomability of what being denied, they could snap. I'm rambling a bit but I just want to say I am heartbroken over this atrocity and feel that justice will never be done for the loss of life that day and legislation will not bring them back or any more safety. Never leave a child in the dark, bring them always closer to the light, show them new things teach them new things and let them teach you as well, respect is always a two way street, but it must be paved by the elder.

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"To exhert change, first you must change yourself."

Originally posted by magickmaster

Originally posted by RedBird

Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

So proving someone on the outskirts of this is alive...
Proves people died? What?
It proves no actors? How?

Are you even paying attention to what you are posting?

What does Gene Rosen being an actor prove?

edit on 26-12-2012 by RedBird because: (no reason given)

By itself, it proves nothing. Added together with all the other conflicting information, the fact that Emilie's father was laughing before taking the interview, the fact that no person is seen with any real tears in their eyes, and several people have been seen wiping away false tears, where there is nothing to wipe away, and the fact that, I personally believe that many people involved in 911 were actors, like Gary Welz, the so called "plane eyewitness", and the fact that many witnesses in 911 were connected to media in high places, or were videographers or worked in animation, and the fact that there are SO MANY inconsistencies in the official story of Sandy Hook, that we have to take this in, with everything else. It's ALL on the table as being possible at this point, even the possibility that Sandy Hook is a CIA playground of sorts, and it exists for the sole purpose of being a "stage". Nothing is or should be "off the table".

So now we're back to that poor father being slandered and called a phony. Back to the disgusting crap SO was taking about. And he throws in off topic crap about the victims of 9/11 being actors.

Originally posted by RedBird

Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

So proving someone on the outskirts of this is alive...
Proves people died? What?
It proves no actors? How?

Are you even paying attention to what you are posting?

What does Gene Rosen being an actor prove?

edit on 26-12-2012 by RedBird because: (no reason given)

That there were actors standing in front of TV cameras giving us 4 versions of a story about this event.

Click here for more information.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Right, so Father Weiss is made up is he?

Even with proof of him being at the church for 13 years?

If you had read my thread, you'd know I haven't put any stock in what the TV and media says, but there are some things that just can't be made up.

reply to post by magickmaster


Well, I can only say that I think your last scenario (that the whole event was staged) is very unlikely. I agree that there have been some odd emotional and media reactions to this event, but I don't think we have enough proof to make a claim like that.

I'm not trying to shut you up, I just disagree with your interpretation of the evidence thus far. And I think, if you take a moment to consider it, that you'll realize that captaintyinknots was being sincere and genuine as well -- even if we a little bit angry. He's as passionate about this as you are, and it's not fair to accuse him of being false.

EDIT* Same thing goes for bknapple -- he's not trying to censor debate in this thread, he just disagrees with you strongly. He's hopping mad, now, and feels that he's been slighted. And he has. You should probably apologize to him for your accusation, magikmaster.

reply to post by bknapple32


Its not slander if its true.

And what he said happened.

So why are you falsely calling slander?
Trying to get this topic shut down agian?

Seeking more censorship?

Just stop reading this thread if you are too sensitive to hear some guys conspiracy speculations.

I just want to know if Beth Israel is his second cousin in question. If not, then what are the odds he is related
to yet another member of the bunko group?

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

Right, so Father Weiss is made up is he?

Even with proof of him being at the church for 13 years?

If you had read my thread, you'd know I haven't put any stock in what the TV and media says, but there are some things that just can't be made up.

edit on 26/12/12 by Chadwickus because: (no reason given)

Please u2u or link thanks.
Id like to review your findings.

Ok after reading all 10 pages of this thread I would like to bring it back to the OP topic at hand , the unanswered questions and missing information.

I think there is some MAJOR questions that the lack of information and inconcistancies are raising.

While there is a whole litany brought up on this thread I would like to bring up two that I think make my point.

One the lack of video of the murder shooting his way into the school.
I find it strange that this video is not readily available for the following reasons.

A. Most if not all schools have video survalience on the main entry point not only for security but to see who is trying to get in so they can (remotely usually) open the door.

B. It does show clearly the intent of the person in question. This is usefull for both law enforcement credibility but also would DEFINATELY be used for anti-gun people.

Lastly on this point I remind ATS people that within a week (more or less my memory fuzzy its been so long) the columbine shooters were shown from school video serveliance moving with guns in the school.

Second is the FACT that ambulance crews were not only told to stand down, FORCED to stage far away from the school (in violation of ALL prodocal in force for scenes of mass casualty incidents) and NEVER ALLOWED into the scene to see if ANYBODY COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED.

I find this A MAJOR RED FLAG given the fact the scene just happened and people , irregardless of age or severity of injury, have a chance (abit maybe slim) of being saved with prompted MEDICAL CARE.

To put this in perspective at the WTC after 9/11 we have a clearly big piles of rubble and with little chance of finding survivors the athorities continued for a week or more to search for survivors.

These inconcistancies/lack of information alone should make people DEMAND ANSWERS (especially why highly trained EMTS were not even allowed to try to help).

Now I throw another line of thought into the mix.

That is we CLEARLY are missing CRUCIAL information, facts and question answered.

But we are being asked by some ATS people and anti gun people to change a part of our bill of rights the second amendment.

Proponents of passing laws that reasonably could be interpreted as useless (at best) or against the second amendment (at worst) SOLELY on emotion, incomplete information and knee jerk reactions.

Now if I were to suggest using the same guidelines used here on say laws gutting search and detaining of (FOR EXAMPLE ONLY NOT OPENING ANOTHER THREAD) any muslims after 9/11 you would be called an extreamest and how dare we gut the constitiution.
Or after the street violence of some of the OWT banning any and all public demostrations some of the same anti gun people here would be raising all cane.


So to those who are belittiling, name calling, and giving self rightious indignation at those who point out blatient inconsistancies and/or reasonably ask for more facts SHAME ON YOU.

If such information (or in this case lack therof) is used to justify ramming though legislation that could have profound effect on an aspect of the bill of rights (weither you support or not) irregardless of which amendment it is you are traveling down a slippery slope. You also face it comming back and biting you in the butt on something you support or will (not if) effect you directly in a negative way.

Think it cannot happen?

Why not ask some AMERICANS of Japanese decent who lived during world war two.
Or americans of german decent in world war one.

Or more recent any travelers who face the TSA at any airport.

I conclude with this question.

When did having accurate information backed up with proof/facts (be it visual and written) become a bad thing?

So now we're back to that poor father being slandered and called a phony. Back to the disgusting crap SO was taking about. And he throws in off topic crap about the victims of 9/11 being actors.

you deliberately misquoted me.

Again, its all really simple. Ambulances were told to stand down, because there wasnt a need for them Unfortunately, the victims were shot multiple times. There were only 3 wounded patients that were evacuated to a hospital because the carnage was so bad that hardly anyone survived it. Telling the ambulances to stand down was an unfortunate call because there just wasnt a need for them.

But no, instead of using logic, you jump to this being another piece in an endless puzzle conspiracy theorists are making up as they go along

Originally posted by Poofmander
reply to post by magickmaster

 

As for the quality of this source, you have to say its going to be on par with or worse than the reporting that was done on the terrible events that transpired that day. The reporting of factual information that was from a reputable source went right out the window apparently.
As for this "Did a mass evacuation of the school take place?" section of the article my response is that would never have happened. I work in the CT public school system with special needs, I'll get back to that later. In Connecticut I know that we have a "lockdown" setup for intruders into schools, I have been through numerous drills so I know what happens in a school when there is an intruder. Every teacher locks the door to the classroom after the lockdown is called, they check the hallway quickly for students, close the door and place a green card on the window if everything is okay in the room. If there are injured or otherwise the teacher places a red card in the window. They then make all the children sit against the wall where they cannot be seen from the window, thus reducing the chance of making the room a target and allowing the authorities to move quickly through the building to ensure the safety of the building. At no point is there a mass evacuation, if that were anywhere in the plan then hypothetically these hypothetical other shooters/suspects would have a hypothetical prime target of a mass of hundreds of defenseless children and teachers. I can't remember the place but it was one of the school shootings in the 90s when two boys pulled the fire alarm and shot at the throngs of people leaving the exits. These are the things that leaving the mass evacuation plan out of the picture prevents. As for these other things about how many times he shot per second, that's bull honkery. This kid Lanza could have been a child prodigy with weapons who knows, if he went shooting with his mother from a young age or at all he has some experience, more than some Joe off the street who has only seen it in the movies and the news. Also being that I work with special needs students many of them on the autism spectrum along with other developmental disorders and emotionally disturbed youngsters I see this as a failure of the community, not Newtown itself by any means, not one of those parents asked for this but I adhere to the theory that it takes a village to raise a child. Some how some way this boy fell through the cracks of the system and was a youth whose potential was never realized. Studies show that autistic minds can connect better through electronic communication and if he was left to play violent videogames for hours he would have the angry tendancies of online gamers I assume who throw fits when they lose, and I've seen autism fits before and have endured some pain in the process, but the fact there that there is no one but his mother to calm him down is a scary fact. There isnt enough help and oppourtunity for our young folk todeay and they seem to have the freedom to have zero responsibility for their actions. I know people on the autism spectrum that find this to be applling, I know there are people out there that are not on the spectrum that may do something like this one day, but the fact of the matter is that there is always someone somewhere that isn't going to think something through to find a happy ending for themselves but we must learn to take good with bad and move forward but now kids get what they want and if you always gave someone what they wanted and finally took it away, if they have no fathomability of what being denied, they could snap. I'm rambling a bit but I just want to say I am heartbroken over this atrocity and feel that justice will never be done for the loss of life that day and legislation will not bring them back or any more safety. Never leave a child in the dark, bring them always closer to the light, show them new things teach them new things and let them teach you as well, respect is always a two way street, but it must be paved by the elder.

___________________________________
"To exhert change, first you must change yourself."

Star for you, sir. Thank you for your insight. Maybe it will help add some much needed perspective.

Double post