What's your general theory?

Originally posted by FormerSkeptic
Humans, namely the Homo Sapiens species, HAVE NOT been evolving for two million years. Homo Sapiens have only been around for about 20,000 years! You've horribly bumbled in reading the charts!

And the fact of this should lead any scientific mind to wonder WHAT EXACTLY caused the relatively short and abrupt change? What was so essential for human survival (which is the very definition of evolution) that led to the enormous growth spurt in brain size?

The only thing i can think of is the introduction of a smart(er) competitor.
If you want to explain it through evolution that is.

I have encounted the sky people all my life and what im amazed about...is how much everyone seems to know! how do you know this, is it from first hand knowledge. I dont believe most of what is written about the sky people, 99% of what is written, besides the abduction (although they should be included ) is made up hear say. Everybody reads what info is available and then becomes an expert. Very little is the truth. What is the difference between a doomsday Phrophet (considering that they didnt even get the vision themselves) and those that know everything about the sky people but have (I wont say never, as most people never remember) never experienced themselves consciousley. Anyone have the truth about the greys, I have experienced them all and after reading what is available on the internet I like to differ with 99% of the information. Maybe some people have a bad experience but for me it was a dream come true, absolute BLISS

Sorry, to our former skeptic. Your in the right direction with your thinking, but its so much more comlicated than that, so much more Divine and beyond our full comprehension. when you find yourself in meditation and slip through the matrix then will you know and just when you know everything only then is one humbled that one realises that we know very little.

Originally posted by pinobot
The only thing i can think of is the introduction of a smart(er) competitor.
If you want to explain it through evolution that is.

You mean intelligence is the driving force behind the sudden increase in brain size? In other words, some type of mutation created a "smarter competitor?"

I'm not so sure. It doesnt seem to make any sense as I mention in this discussion where the topic might be better discussed.

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FormerSkeptic, my kudos for your thoughts and your approach. (Btw, ATS, Thanks for providing this forum.)

I would like to add:

1) The conventional view of human evolution does not make sense for many reasons. One of them is the fact that homo sapiens is the only species of homo that survived. Neanderthals were not the only modern homo species that went extinct. Also, ancestrial species 800,000 years old or more that were found outside of Africa and in Africa also are all extinct.

An intersting parrallel is that civilizations with most unexplained ritualistic monuments were simply abandoned, sometimes buried to be preserved, and the culture left no trace of emigration. And these cultures started out of nowhere. (take Gobekli Tepe as an example)

2) Prehistoric humans did not misinterpret aliens as Gods. The aliens purposely told humans that they are Gods, and sanctioned those who did not treat them accordingly.

Mainstream religions would not have survived thousands of years if they had not been “engineered” by aliens to serve their purpose. Btw, I challenge anybody who believes in a mainstream religion to tell me why their religion is right and all others are wrong.

3) We must examine what is “knowledge”. Academics naturally repeat information they have learned, and conclusions based on such information. But that may or may not be true. Therefore, a seeker of truth must throw out everything and re-classify them as mere possibilities.

Science is observation which is explained by a theory. The next step is to decide which theory to accept. Traditionally, people accept the one that is supported by the most scientists (blind faith). Nowadays many people start to THINK for themselves and then come up with theories like yours.

This new awareness will continue to increase until a “critical mass” has been reached. Then the debate will switch from “Do aliens exist on earth?” to “What should we do about them, if anything?”

4) The convincing evidence for me is not eye-witness reports (because they may be erroneous) but ancient megalithic structures that cannot be explained by conventional theories.

5) If aliens built monuments and used religions to control human organization/development/behavior they would not simply leave. As the Bible states, God is invisible and uses humans (“shepards”) as their angels/guides/enforcers.

We call that government. If Pharaohs were aliens (or their shepards) then clearly they have the power to control today’s governments just as well. Present day alien presence on earth is not credible unless the means to control world governments is identified.

6) Top ranks of religious organizations and governments are controlled by aliens. Selection of the humans to hold those positions is done through secret societies that allow for many levels of secrecy and are thereby able to protect the secret of the aliens’ existence.

(Secret societies should be discussed in another thread but it is important to note here that they go hand in hand with aliens. Otherwise it would be like refusing to mention political institutions while debating if such a thing as a government really exists)

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Humans of all types have been around for over 2 million years. Up until recently there were many human species, however ultimately climate change and technological evolution or competition from a more adaptable predator probably doomed the other species (the same phenomenon has been observed for many large mammal groups at the end of the ice age).

Homo Sapiens went through a bottleneck in the recent past, and at one time maybe numbered only 10,000 individuals. It's mainly a matter of luck that we survived and the other homo species didn't. There has also been interbreeding with other human species which may have contributed to their extinction.

There is no need to evoke aliens or any of that nonsense to human evolution. Also other Homo species brains were not signficantly smaller than our own.

Think about it, if brain size was so important how come the whales don't rule the world? Of course you know that from your comment on a related thread already.

excerpt from "Neanderthals Had Bigger Brains" So brain size alone doesn't explain our improvement either!

We don't know the reasons why Homo Sapiens survived and the others didn't, but most likely it was simply due to a large population overwhelming fragmented smaller ones, either by competition or by inbreeding.

There are many possible reasons why we survived and that other human species did not that do not involve superior intelligence, they could be

- metabolism
- immune system
- language genes
- limb and wrist development
- co-operative strategies
- large population outbreeding and outcompeting smaller populations


and the last of all, but probably the biggest reasons, LADY LUCK!

Humans have a certain kind of intelligence. But if we think about it we not as intelligent as we make out. Look whats happening to the planet, we lack foresight and an ability to co-operate and plan properly.

We are also very superstitious, yet other animals don't believe in invisible Gods floating around for which they have absolutely no proof?

There are many folks on this board who think that the world was created 5,000 years despite all evidence to the contrary!

There are folks who think aliens interfered with our genome yet have no knowledge of genetics or evolution, yet they BELIEVE so it must be TRUE. They are too lazy to even open a book and learn something.

Intelligent? Does technological advancement equal intelligence?

Originally posted by ManInAsia
reply to post by FormerSkeptic

 

Humans of all types have been around for over 2 million years...

There are many folks on this board who think that the world was created 5,000 years despite all evidence to the contrary!

There are folks who think aliens interfered with our genome yet have no knowledge of genetics or evolution, yet they BELIEVE so it must be TRUE. They are too lazy to even open a book and learn something.

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First I must object to your calling these thoughts “nonsense”. Guilt by association for FormerSkeptic for being in a forum where some “folks … think that the world was created 5,000 years” ago. That would include you, too. And you are demeaning people you do not even know by putting them down as having “no knowledge” and being “too lazy to even open a book and learn something”. Who are you?

What you say is brushing million year history with one giant brush. How do you know any part of what you say? As you claim, "mainly a matter of luck" … "most likely it was simply due to a large population" … "many possible reasons" ... “probably … LADY LUCK”.

In the same breath you state yourself what you vehemently deny, that “we don't know the reasons why”. Yet you figure “there is no need to evoke aliens or any of that nonsense”. But you need to evoke LADY LUCK! Do you really think anybody will be swayed by your “simply… probably … nonsense” explanation?

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I don't know, just thinking out loud.

I never got the whole evolution idea.
If you start out as a single cell organism like bacteria why the hell would you want to evolve to something more complex?
I also don't buy the whole evolution through mutations idea. So you just keep getting deformed babies untill something usefull comes along? come on. Like Einstein said: "God doesn't play dice'. You know how many mutations you have to try before you get something that is an advantage to the organism? Humans should then be much more diverse and have all sorts of different characteristics that are neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. And what's is the advantage for not having a tail? I want my tail back and use my feet as hands like we used to.
So what's left? Personally i think that if there's something like evolution that we are programmed to evolve in a certain direction.

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I never got the whole evolution idea.

Apparently.

If you start out as a single cell organism like bacteria why the hell would you want to evolve to something more complex?

Single cell organisms don''t "want" to evolve. They want to absorb energy they can use to maintain their metabolism and, ultimately reproduce. This is the definition of a living organism. It applies equally well to human beings, although human beings are much more complex.

I also don't buy the whole evolution through mutations idea. So you just keep getting deformed babies untill something usefull comes along?

This is why you don't "get" the whole evolution thing. A mutation does not necessarily result in "deformed" offspring. The vast majority of mutations are relatively subtle, and do not have a noticeable effect on an organism's survivability, at least at first. Mutations generally result in the ability to synthesize a particular protein or enzyme. Sometimes this will result in, say, the ability to digest wood pulp, which other members of the species lack. If the species' environment changes, this ability can suddenly give a major advantage to those which are able to use this new food source. These tiny changes accumulate over millions upon millions of years. Just as the gentle dripping of raindrops can wear away mountains over time, so minute changes in genetic makeup can alter a line of organisms into strange and wonderful new species.

Originally posted by DJW001
Single cell organisms don''t "want" to evolve. They want to absorb energy they can use to maintain their metabolism and, ultimately reproduce. This is the definition of a living organism. It applies equally well to human beings, although human beings are much more complex.

So they want to eat something they can't digest and then suddenly transform.
Isn't that the same thing?
So how does this work, the bacteria are spending most of their time trying to eat things they can't digest hoping that one of their genes has been adapted to eat that specific material?

Originally posted by FormerSkeptic
1. Ancient extraterrestrials came to Earth and mixed their genetic material with ancient terrestrial creatures, altering the evolution of many species

2. The primate line had the biggest impact, and extraterrestrials continued to experiment and intermix with hominids, even in early stages of human civilization

3. There's more than one extraterrestrial "race of beings" visiting Earth, some of whom are more recent visitors than others

4. They (some of the aliens) have always been here and will continue to hang around

5. Their purpose is simply that of "extending themselves" — or we might understand it as "planting seeds" or "expanding the common universal consciousness"

6. The Bible was written by one of the earliest extraterrestrial civilizations. __________________________________________________________________________________________________.

Originally posted by ThinkingHuman
reply to post by FormerSkeptic

 

5) If aliens built monuments and used religions to control human organization/development/behavior they would not simply leave.

I like most of what you said, but I do not agree with that point. They were here as a physical presence, then they were not. We have no knowledge of why they left, just that they left. To just say that they are still here as physical beings seems to be missing something.

Originally posted by CALGARIAN
"Aliens" and "UFOs" are humans from the future. that's it in a nutshell.

and we may not be the same humanity that we know today," he said, adding that many people are uncomfortable with this notion. 'Aliens' aboard UFOs could actually be time travelers-- they could represent what humans will look like many centuries from now, he posited.

That's from Micah Hanks talking about his new book: The UFO Singularity

I ordered it. Sounds good. He was on coast 2 coast last night (where above quote came from) Time travel is so cool to ponder!

6. The Bible was written by one of the earliest extraterrestrial civilizations.

I think you mean the first book of the Bible, the early history of the world, the part that was written thousands of years before the Jewish religion showed up to copy it.

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We have a galaxy full of planets. To say the aliens are us is just an ego centric excuse. A cop out.

You say
"Exactly we're still using jet powered interceptors that havent progressed massively in 40 years,technology just progresses steadily (unless you include these large triangle craft !!) which would suggest no retroengineered alien tech has become available to our governments"

I say
Since there were saucers in the 1940's that could hover in one spot and then reach fantastic speeds, what it means is that we have not been able to put such advanced alien tecnology to use yet. It is still out of our relm to produce, if not understand.

Originally posted by spiritualarchitect
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We have a galaxy full of planets. To say the aliens are us is just an ego centric excuse. A cop out.

The word could was in that quote. Also, even if so, they could have traveled through-out the galaxy to visit other races.

Always open to new information but at this point:

1. There are innumerable highly advanced civilizations all over the universe, and they long ago figured out how to get along with each other, as well as achieved supraluminal speeds (which also means time travel).

2. Some of them came here before recorded history, found it to be exceptionally diverse both in climates and lifeforms, and for lack of a better term, 'adopted it' as both a research station and playground.

3. Proto-humans or early humans thought the visitors gods, because what else could they be? "Any sufficiently advanced culture is indistinguishable from magic...".

4. The Gods enjoyed their power and standing and proceeded to teach the early humans some aspect of mathematics, astronomy, technology, writing, etc. Enter the first Sumerian and much later, Egyptian cultures. Intermittent wars and natural disasters wiped out most of the learning and great amounts of knowledge were lost.

5. There was gene manipulation, splicing or interbreeding; homo sapiens missing one pair of DNA compared to the Great Apes proves at least this much.

6. Over time, different planetary humanoid civilizations from different star systems established outposts on Earth; there was a white blond race that liked the cold weather of our Scandinavian countries, a yellow skinned race that settled in the East, a red race that preferred the Northern Western hemisphere, still another that preferred the Andean mountains, and another that preferred the heat and dryness of the African continent. I honestly don't think that our present human differences are due to evolutionary pressures; rather that we are from separate star cultures and have only recently begun interbreeding. It's quite possible that the original humanoid races from Earth are long-extinct. Perhaps the Cro-Magnum and Neanderthals couldn't cope with the climate changes, etc.

(I have issues with evolution although I'm certainly no believer in 'intelligent design' as it's presented.
My evidence: it's been said that if you leave any breed of dog to mate freely with any other breed of dog, even a Great Dane and a Chihuahua, within seven generations they will revert back to a dingo; a yellow-brown medium sized short haired dog with a curled up tail; the proof of this is seen in any poor country with a population of stray dogs, as well as in any large animal shelter in richer countries.

If humans and other animals are subject to the forces of evolution, why do we not 'de-evolutionize' in this way? After all, AKC dog breeds are evolution in fast-forward for certain traits. Why do humans not quickly revert back to some standard mean? Or have we and it's now called a 'sheeple'?)

Finally, I think it's highly likely that our latest accomplishment, nuclear power used for murderous purposes, has brought the interest of several new-to-Earth species who are alarmed at our potential for harming both the planet and everyone else; it's possible nuclear blasts on Earth affect far more than our own planet and have caused alarming rifts in the time-space continuum. We may be under surveillance like children in a very dangerous playground to make sure we don't hurt ourselves, and the surveillance is spilling over into interactions.

Oh, and I'm positively sure that some on Earth have achieved a breakaway civilization as described by Richard Dolan. The governments have spent a king's ransom on levels of technology that the rest of us can only dream of, and we on Earth have been left in the proverbial dust, knowledge-wise.

Originally posted by signalfire
Always open to new information but at this point:
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(I have issues with evolution although I'm certainly no believer in 'intelligent design' as it's presented.
My evidence: it's been said that if you leave any breed of dog to mate freely with any other breed of dog, even a Great Dane and a Chihuahua, within seven generations they will revert back to a dingo; a yellow-brown medium sized short haired dog with a curled up tail; the proof of this is seen in any poor country with a population of stray dogs, as well as in any large animal shelter in richer countries.

If humans and other animals are subject to the forces of evolution, why do we not 'de-evolutionize' in this way? After all, AKC dog breeds are evolution in fast-forward for certain traits. Why do humans not quickly revert back to some standard mean? Or have we and it's now called a 'sheeple'?)

Well written and well thought out! Thank you for posting.

I'm curious as well about evolution — not sure how or why dog breeding would or would not apply to humans. Or if it's just a difference between abstract-thinking animals (namely humans) and every other creature on Earth. We have freedom of choice in choosing a mate? Isn't that part of evolution? And so...

The "sheeple" conclusion is a blast! I'm beginning to think it's true!

A future, virtually perfected version of me from the future I call my "higher self". It exists outside of time and is able to monitor me, plant thoughts in my mind, and help guide me through life with it's intelligence and time penetrating site.

I also believe Nazi's have continued to experiment with DNA and genetics and have built a civilization of genetically modified humans. I believe these Nazi humans reside either in underground bases, or near the north pole, or inside the Earth.

I personally am a huge fan of genetic engineering and realize how lackluster 99% of us humans are. Although with that said I believe everything happens for a reason and the universe is perfect in a way that my mind cannot conceive.

Also about aliens originating from off of the planet - I believe there is a race/or races of aliens controlling most of what goes on here (Earth). I believe reptilians intentionally keep humans in a fear vibration so they can feed off of our energy. And with that being said they've been necessary in our evolution and are controlled by the universal force (God or Spirit or whatever you prefer), and they will be leaving soon because the Earth is entering into a higher energetic state of being.