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Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

Nothing is standing out (existing).
The appearance of nothing is seen by nothing.

"In the beginning, there was nothing. Then God said, "Let there be light". And there was still nothing but you could see it."
-- Groucho Marx

DUDE!!!

This is all I'm saying!

You're making an argument when there is none. It just so happens that this happens to be how the universe came about to... Making am argument when there isn't one.

Can you imagine these two as roommates?

"Dude, where's your half of the rent?"

"What rent? Nothing exists...including the rent. It's an illusion."

"I'm going to sell your Xbox illusion, then."

"I didn't see that coming...."

As a reality TV series, it'd never make it past the pilot episode, where they lose their lease and get tossed back to their parents' basements.

reply to post by NorEaster


What more can I say that I haven't said already?

Reality, without experience isn't there. And even the experience isn't really how things are. And even what's there is said to be over 99.99999 % empty space. And what is there is some unidentifiable vibrating one dimensional strings of some mysterious material... Apparently. But really there's no material. Just space vibrating to time. The loophole is that appearances can appear as long as they aren't real. If it appears, but what appears isn't real, then it is still nothing, and therefore free to appear.

Hence the birth of awareness. That which makes 99.99999 % empty space look like more than 99.99999 % empty space.

Well your nothingness is my everything.

Boring, useless and pointless theory imo...

Didn't the discovery of the Higgs boson tell us that empty space is in fact not empty.

ALS

Originally posted by theMediator
Well your nothingness is my everything.

Boring, useless and pointless theory imo...

It's not useless. When you look to the nothingness in the appearances, you gain a proper perspective. Your reality isn't shrouded in lies. You see your connection to everything. You are nothing. Nothingness is the source of all. It is where you come from and where you will be going. It is where you are now. There was the differentiation of nothingness giving rise to varying complexities of nothingness making itself into an apparent, but erroneous something. When you see the truth, that everything you see isn't what is really there, then you can overcome all obstacles.

It's interesting to see how awareness came to be. Time and space are not different. And it is impossible for them to be different. But somehow, there is one and only one thing that can make them different. That is, awareness. But it doesn't make them different, it only makes them seem different, so the law of nothingness is not violated. It is loopholed. Awareness came to be because nothingness allowed it to. Against all odds.

Awareness creates something out of nothing while that something remains nothing. It's nothing short of glorious that this can happen.

reply to post by smithjustinb


In summary, you are inherently empty of meaning, nothingness. But it's not a dark and dreary nothingness. It's like the nothingness of the universe, from which all things arise.

So are you nothing or everything then? Both, at the same time in equal portions.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by jiggerj

 

But, material things can't be placed into a state of nothingness because each move through the nothingness would require something to fill in the spaces that those material things previously occupied.

This is actually possible if we define mass objects as the absence of nothing.

It is not the objects we're concerned with. It's the supposed state of absolute nothing around it. If this entire state can be considered the absence of nothing, then it isn't 'nothing'.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by smithjustinb

 

But, material things can't be placed into a state of nothingness because each move through the nothingness would require something to fill in the spaces that those material things previously occupied.

Material things?? The smallest 'building block' is made of 99.9999% empty space, scientists will tell you this.
Energy is moving.

This has been my beef with the scientific community for years. What they term as 'empty space' is actually filled with the dark matter/energy that has yet to be defined. But, that dark matter/energy is definitely something, so it can't be considered 'empty space'. The one thing we can all agree on (I hope) is that whatever this dark matter/energy is, it is definitely energy, and it is definitely 'something'.

The problem with your theory is chance. Chance did not create matter, it never could. Either there is such a thing as eternal matter, a matter which does not break down and eventually disappear....or there was a time when there was no matter and then matter came into being by some other force creating it into being.

In other words, please explain to me how anything can create it itself. As in, what matter can create itselfbefore it itself existed? None. There is not one piece of self creating matter in the world....that is supported by both logic and reason. To say that something created itself before it itself existed is impossible by the laws of physics.

Saying that the world is an illusion we create as we go along and that we neither exist nor don't exist is not even pseudo-science, it's science fiction. I don't create my reality anymore than you do. 99.9% of creation being empty space implies that this planet was created with a purpose, in all probablity. The fact that human beings have an inherint sense of right and wrong implies a purpose.

And lastly, the Matrix was a great movie. The sequels sucked big ass. The guys who actually came up with the idea of the Matrix themselves fleshed out how dumb that idea is and flushed it down the toliet. Everyone who grasps onto the ideaology of the Matrix really need to let it go.

I was once told there is no spoon...

Now I eat my cereal with my hands. Messy stuff.

Neat post but just cool thoughts, nothing substantial imo

I think the OP misunderstands.

What appears to be nothing is indeed something. Everything you feel, see, touch and eat, has spirit inside of it. Even the void has a spirit of itself. All molecules move, the insides of molecules move aswell. Everything moves, it never stops. You know why they move? They have a desire to move, and the will power to act on it.

reply to post by jiggerj

It is not the objects we're concerned with. It's the supposed state of absolute nothing around it. If this entire state can be considered the absence of nothing, then it isn't 'nothing'.

Well mabey thats they key to this puzzle. Nothing is an illusion. There is only something and that objects are an also an illusion. Therefore nothing and objects are illusions of perception or perhaps a better way to say it is they are manifestations of perception. This leads us back then to awareness and examining what it is. If we cant define because its our lowest level of reality and we cant go beneath it to examine it then basically we are in a difficult spot as this thread shows.

your reality is caused by your perception of whats around you.
If you live your life with a certain perception of reality, you think is real, well it was real for you.

reply to post by ZeussusZ


There are concrete realities, unfortunately, and they aren't real or not real because I perceive them to be.

I have loved ones who have died. If I perceive them not to be dead, I am not living in reality.

If I perceive that I am eating a cheesburger, I will still go hungry if I....don't actually eat a cheesburger.

There are people who talk to imaginary people, people who believe that they are living in a different time, people who believe that they are immortal. We know that those things are not true because we exist with other self aware beings who can concur what we know to be true.

Perception does not create reality. Reality creates your perception. Otherwise you go to the doctor and get meds. Think about it like this....the color blue is blue. We know it because long ago someone gave that color a name, and we all agree that blue is blue. If you want to perceive blue as being red, well, ok....but it's actually blue. Your perception doesn't change anything. Now if human beings all perceived random items completely differently, that idea might hold some weight. But we generally perceive colors, shapes, faces, etc, in the same way.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by jiggerj

 

It is not the objects we're concerned with. It's the supposed state of absolute nothing around it. If this entire state can be considered the absence of nothing, then it isn't 'nothing'.

Well mabey thats they key to this puzzle. Nothing is an illusion. There is only something and that objects are an also an illusion. Therefore nothing and objects are illusions of perception or perhaps a better way to say it is they are manifestations of perception. This leads us back then to awareness and examining what it is. If we cant define because its our lowest level of reality and we cant go beneath it to examine it then basically we are in a difficult spot as this thread shows.

But, a little less difficult if we can agree that a state of absolute nothing cannot ever exist. This puts the issue of creator gods to rest once and for all.

reply to post by BSFC123


I saw a video one time that showed how cats might see humans as cats.

Yeah, we all agree on certain things because we're all human. You are not considering how different forms might see the world.

But even as human, we create meanings. These meanings we create can shape our reality in evident ways. It's really hard for us who claim to create reality to describe. The shapes and colors do not change, but the object's meanings change. This can lead to very profound observations. Things that were always there appear to be different. The forms are the same, but they embody a noticeable quality.

For example, you may see a plant. I see the image of "god" or whatever you want to call it. The meaning changed, and now all of a sudden, the whole world conforms to a new meaning. So the world you might live in is business as usual world, but the world I might live in is a divine cosmic theme park. And everything that I observe will further support my self proclaimed meaning. To be able to create meaning is where the value is because form without meaning is... Meaningless.

I was hoping the reason this didn't have any flags was because everybody broke on to the other-side. Another disappointment for 2012

reply to post by smithjustinb


OK. Then you are voluntarily living in a world of insanity. I get it, if I believe that a marble is God, than that marble is God. For me. Problem is, it's a marble.

You are just doing mental gymnastics, mostly to avoid assigning actual meaning to anything other than what you want it to mean. Which is normal, because as all human beings do, you want to believe that you are self sufficient and that you have the answers, that you have figured it out. By your logic, Hitler was just fine in exterminating millions of Jews, because that was his reality.Just because we don't see the world from his perspective, reality is subjective, so what does it matter? Other than to the poor souls tortured and killed, I guess.

Now you can say that you have only figured it out for you, and I have figured it out for me....etc. It's circular logic and bad philosophy.

As for how cats see the world, great. That point almost won me over.

reply to post by BSFC123


Whatever dude. I know what I'm talking about.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One man's trash is another man's treasure. Why? Because the object means something different for anyone who is looking at it. That's all I'm saying. I don't know how you are disagreeing with this, but I imagine it's because you created your own meaning of what I was saying that was contrary to the meaning I intended to convey.

Am I insane to think that I, the meaning making machine, can find meanings to things that transcend conventional human definitions in a way that is more uplifting to my experience?

Yeah, I see a godliness in life forms. You got a problem with that? Idc. My life is awesome because I see the awesomeness of life. Is that okay with you, or am I just delusional? Should everything just become meaningless now? Or should it have meaning, but someone else should define the meaning for you? I mean what are you trying to say here other than you're a distracting, skeptical, naysayer? Is this the meaning that you use to describe yourself with, because it's the one I've created for you. Let me guess, I'm insane? Lol. Whatever dude. Thanks for coming to my thread.

This is an interesting thread and shows people have many different ideas, and opinions. We can all give eachother a xmas present by respecting eachothers views. Hopefully we all agree on this? If anyone feels the need to attack posts you can attack mine.