Let's put This To Bed. The Five Worst Shootings Ever Were Not Done By Americans

Originally posted by HandyDandy

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by HandyDandy

 

How many tyrants have Americans overthrown again? I mean in America, not elsewhere?

Oh that's right....none.

Put up or shut up.

Has there been a reason yet?

How many violent crimes were stopped by law abiding citizens in the USA by the simple fact the victim had a gun?

You put up or shut up......

Patriot Act anyone?

The delusion runs strong in this one

Originally posted by DarthMuerte

#5: Campo Elí­as Delgado, aged 52, killed at scene, Bogota, Colombia, 4 Dec 1986, 30 killed, 15 wounded.

In Colombia, carrying a firearm or concealed firearm in plain view in a public place is allowed, subject to a valid permit

This countries Gun Laws

#4: Seung-Hui Cho, aged 23, suicide at scene, Blacksburg, Virginia USA, 16 Apr 2007, 32 killed, 25 wounded.

This countries Gun Laws

#3: Martin Bryant, aged 29, captured, Port Arthur, Australia, 28 Apr 1996, 35 killed, 21 wounded

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The Port Arthur perpetrator said he bought his firearms from a gun dealer without holding the required firearms licence. Prime Minister John Howard, then newly elected, immediately took the gun law proposals developed from the report of the 1988 National Committee on Violence and forced the states to adopt them under a National Firearms Agreement. This was necessary because the Australian Constitution does not give the Commonwealth power to enact gun laws. The proposals included a ban on all semi-automatic rifles and all semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns, and a tightly restrictive system of licensing and ownership controls.

Source + This countries Gun Laws

#2: Woo Bum-Kon, aged 27, suicide at scene, Sang-Namdo, South Korea, 26 Apr 1982, 57 killed, 35 wounded.

This countries Gun Laws He was also a Police-officer who had access to weapons.

#1: Anders Behring Breivik, aged 32, captured Utøya Island, Norway, 22 Jul 2011, 77 killed, 151 wounded.

This countries Gun Laws

Do we all see the pattern here?

Its a combo deal - add 1 part freely available guns to 1 part human nutter and waalaa.......

You have historic massacre.

Originally posted by HandyDandy

During the uprising the capital city of Cairo was described as "a war zone"[25] and the port city of Suez saw frequent violent clashes

Peaceful indeed......

Who's delusional now?

Yeah people riding around on camels and horses with sticks and violent clashes, no where does it say guns.

Your still the delusional one

reply to post by lpowell0627


Yes, gangs and criminals will always find a way to get guns, either by money or coercion. The majority of the time they only use these weapons against other gangs or criminals. You have the occasional innocent victim caught in the crossfire, but as kyrties pointed out, the general public here has no fear of some mentally ill person going on a killing spree.

Even with our laws, responsible citizens still have access to guns, so you still get crimes of passion and other homicides. All in all though, I think most Aussies feel safe.

But in the question of making arms legal, isn't the risks associated more about kids killing and getting killed, with guns they find in the home?

Sure, a delusional paranoid that wants to carefully snipe out 30 people one day is going to plan it out and get the guns to do it, no matter what the laws in the country.

But there is the 7 year old that brings a gun he found at home to school and shoots a classmate, or the 3 year old that accidently shoots her brother, the teen in the midst of a crisis who finds an assault weapon as he's packing his bags to run away from home... and gets a more dramatic idea in head instead...
Or that bi polar or ADD teen who grabs one in the home spontaneously when they got their X box taken away, and shoots mom.

I would think these are more the risk with weapons in the home? It seems like we hear of more of those in the US than other countries, but I am not sure about that (never really looked into the stats.).

What I think is essential, at moments like this, is that the governing powers and the people make some sort of comprehensive statement, which express the collective morals about using firearms.

That is what is important to the next generation of americans and the evolution of the country- and they are watching and listening! If you are crying on the rooftops that guns are good, guns are necessary, and shooting people (who you judge deserve it) is right- well that is what they will hear as what is acceptable in this country.
(Just hope their judgement of who deserves it is always the same as yours- cross your fingers!)

Even if people retain the right ot bear arms, I think it might be important for the adults to be speaking up loudly and saying "It is NOT okay to be using them to shoot people!"

What about deciding on just tighter controls? Not only to buy arms, but in keeping them, using them....
Where I am we have to renaw licenses for our guns every year, and are obligated to keep them locked in a metal cabint that meets specific standards. It is checked each year. We are also obligated to be a member of a gun club, and for some guns, there is a minimum of hours shooting you have to rack up each year with that gun, to make sure you know how to use it properly, and that it is kept in good condition. There's a bunch more. It sounds strict, but it seems to make sense- I mean every right and power you have also comes with just as much responsibility...

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff


So you are telling me that if the president of Egypt had not stepped down then these protests would have continued to be peaceful even though I can show evidence of people with guns and homemade gas bombs?

Cairo, Egypt (CNN) -- Heavy gunfire reverberated in central Cairo before dawn Thursday as supporters and foes of embattled Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak continued to face off at Tahrir Square, where chunks of concretes and Molotov cocktails were employed as weapons in the escalating crisis.

CNN personnel saw wounded people being carried into Tahrir Square, largely held by anti-regime demonstrators, through an entrance that leads to the nearby Egyptian Museum. Several ambulances entered and left the square shortly before 4 a.m. Thursday.

The source of the gunfire was not immediately known.

But, but, but, it was peaceful right......

blog.libero.it...

And don't tell me it wasn't with the threat of violence with their peeshooters that these protestors got their way......

Some people just want to watch the world burn, and some of them seem to have gravitated toward this thread unfortunately.

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
Let's take a look at the five worst mass shootings in history. Of the 5 worst massacres, two were carried out by Asians and one by an African constable. ....

The spirits of a million+ Iraqis might disagree with you. Of course, then there's that small matter of hundreds -- perhaps thousands, of men, women and children mass murdered by missile drones.

The two worst mass murders are here:

Altho not perpetrated by one American....what about the massacres at My Lai Vietnam (approx 500) or No Gun Ri Korea (163 dead)?

BREAKING NEWS - Three shot dead as US gun reform debate intensifies

reply to post by Kryties


And some of us want to sing Kumb By Ya while the world burns around us.

I have been assaulted twice in my life by non-gun totting vagrants. Had I owned a gun and carried it at the time I would have not been. You do the math......

reply to post by CosmicCitizen

It appeaers that one can make the case for "Gun Control" in the military also (I really mean control of those using the guns not control of the guns per se).

reply to post by HandyDandy


Theres just no arguing with stupid is there.

Sure, the Egyptian revolution succeeded because every one had guns and went round shooting up the place

It was international pressure not the threat of violence that succeeded.

Wake up to yourself, once again even hardcore gun nuts know it was a peaceful revolution.

The firing was primarily gov troops not protesters

Originally posted by HandyDandy
reply to post by Kryties

 

And some of us want to sing Kumb By Ya while the world burns around us.

Now you are being hypocritical. You asked before what reason would there be to overthrow your government with your guns, as if you could see no reason - and yet you admit that the world is burning around you?

I have been assaulted twice in my life by non-gun totting vagrants. Had I owned a gun and carried it at the time I would have not been. You do the math......

At least I now know you're the type to shoot unarmed men. That explains a lot actually....

EDIT: And for crying out loud if you are going to keep reusing a line, at least get it right. It's spelt "KUMBAYA" not "Kumb By Ya"

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
The firing was primarily gov troops not protesters

With the logic shown in this thread we should ban guns in the military then.

Originally posted by HandyDandy

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
The firing was primarily gov troops not protesters

With the logic shown in this thread we should ban guns in the military then.

LOL. I don't suppose you want to quote where logic has been misused would you? Because I am seeing it as quite the reverse actually.

Originally posted by Kryties
At least I now know you're the type to shoot unarmed men. That explains a lot actually....

Any man who attacks me deserves no less.

EDIT: And for crying out loud if you are going to keep reusing a line, at least get it right. It's spelt "KUMBAYA" not "Kumb By Ya"

The sign of a dying argument......

Actually I only misspelled it by introducing a b in kum....

It is spelled multiple different ways.

www.amazon.com...

Originally posted by HandyDandy

Originally posted by Kryties
At least I now know you're the type to shoot unarmed men. That explains a lot actually....

Any man who attacks me deserves no less.

And therein lies the reason America needs gun control. Thankyou for so perfectly proving our point.

reply to post by Kryties


If you want to bend over and take it go right ahead. I did that twice already. It didn't work out so well.

reply to post by HandyDandy


So you shoot unarmed people instead?

You are starting to sound like a nutcase mate. One of those nutcases this thread is about.....