It will Never Happen

There will not be a world order in the near future! NWO is such a western idea. I grew up thinking it would happen too. But after 3 years of living in China I know it will never happen. It's a fantasy, the radical fear of old world powers aligning, but only dominant western powers. Eastern powers have no interest in consolidating. So.... unless you can prove me wrong I'll be happy to just sit here and peep at all you're rhetoric.

Show me some proof, some Asian sources, that point towards eastern involvement towards the NWO.....thanx

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[edit on 26-10-2004 by SomewhereInChina]

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Originally posted by SomewhereInChina
There will not be a world order in the near future! NWO is such a western idea. I grew up thinking it would happen too. But after 3 years of living in China I know it will never happen. It's a fantasy, the radical fear of old world powers aligning, but only dominant western powers. Eastern powers have no interest in consolidating. So.... unless you can prove me wrong I'll be happy to just sit here and peep at all you're rhetoric.

Show me some proof, some Asian sources, that point towards eastern involvement towards the NWO.....thanx

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[edit on 26-10-2004 by SomewhereInChina]

[edit on 26-10-2004 by SomewhereInChina]

[edit on 26-10-2004 by SomewhereInChina]

And your point is???
Do you have proof or just your own views to back your claims?

Originally posted by SomewhereInChina
Show me some proof, some Asian sources, that point towards eastern involvement towards the NWO.....thanx

It looks like China is getting washed into the whole New World Order concept as well:

China is calling for the establishment of a new world order that will ensure a long-term stable and peaceful international environment, Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Zhang Qiyue said in Beijing on June 10, 1999.

Read the rest here for proof.

"The more than 200 countries in the world and more than six billion people should not and cannot be put under the control of one country or group, she said, emphasizing that multi-polarization has become an irreversible historical trend after the end of the Cold War."

here is paragraph two, you should have posted that one too....so the first and second paragraphs sound pretty contradicting don't they....

China will never let a NWO of the western ideal exist...they will always take control of their own affairs as paragraph three states

"A country's affairs should be handled by its own people and international issues should be resolved through negotiations, she said, adding that the United Nations, the organization that has the largest number of member nations and that is most representative, should play a dominant role in international affairs and that this is common sense in the international community."

So as you see their concept of a new world order is only for relationships between countries and has nothing to do with the order within the country...

nice try though

Originally posted by infinite
And your point is???
Do you have proof or just your own views to back your claims?

I bet you got that line stored in some F key macro and you post it all the time huh....I waited a year before coming a member because of people like you. You are a writer and you got lots of points, and an ego to match it. Why waste forum space with such idiotic questions like that. And make people like myself respond to them. I bet you like to get people wailing and flailing their words at you, 'but look mister this is my proof' well bucko, I think 3 years in this country after growing up in USA for 22 years, making me a young 25, gives me just about all the evidence I need to understand these chinese people will never live under a new world order...so unless you can prove me wrong with some eastern sources to back you up - it will never happen

[edit on 28-10-2004 by SomewhereInChina]

Originally posted by SomewhereInChina
You are a writer and you got lots of points, and an ego to match it. Why waste forum space with such idiotic questions like that.

Ermmm...
as FSME is my job, when someone posts something of interest, which you did i must say, i like to see evidence of your claim.

about all the evidence I need to understand these chinese people will never live under a new world order...so unless you can prove me wrong with some eastern sources to back you up - it will never happen

They are already living under an oppressive, all powerful government. The transition to NWO for them is not going to be a leap exactly.

Originally posted by SomewhereInChina
I bet you like to get people wailing and flailing their words at you, 'but look mister this is my proof' well bucko, I think 3 years in this country after growing up in USA for 22 years, making me a young 25, gives me just about all the evidence I need to understand these chinese people will never live under a new world order...so unless you can prove me wrong with some eastern sources to back you up - it will never happen

[edit on 28-10-2004 by SomewhereInChina]

So are you bragging? I read that as "Im safe hardy f*&kin har." Thank you China for letting us know that at least your fine.

[edit on 10/28/04 by shotgunjoe]

Ok, first of all - your avatar reminds me of a band back in Tacoma, Washington name Librium? Ever hear of em...ok Second....the points - going backwards.

Am I bragging...to some degree yes. I feel as though I do actually have something of value to add to this discussion. I am living in China. And most people have no idea about China. There are Christian churches in my city of 11 million, you can buy porn on the street, as well as DVD's for 25 cents. I can smoke pot in a bar or drink beer walking down the street. Smoking is cheap and happens everywhere, even in busses, hospitals, and schools. Now most people might think this is disgusting, but they're free to do it. I'm going to stop talking about China now, but for the majority of the Han Nationality which is over 90% they have freedoms even you don't have. ***edit: And the 55 other minorities have more freedoms. All people can have more than one child. But if you are Han you will have to pay a fine to the goverment, so...is that really repressive, to have to pay a hundred dollars to the governmet because you want 2 children...no it makes sense in a country of 1.3 billion, where there are too many people...****

Along with the Chinese freedoms they enjoy, they also bask in arrogance of how their country is great. Blind support of the party you say? No, they hate communism. They think it was one big F$*K up. But thats the cards they got dealt, and they didn't come out entirely on the bottom, look at the former USSR, their Big Brother that they blame for a lot of problems with Mao's head.

I wish I didn't have to write all this and could get to some real concrete points, but just like seminars at my college: The Evergreen State Collge, we had to read books before having quality seminars and it looks as before we can have a quality discussion about the NWO never happening because it's a western idea and China and other asian countries would never tolerate it - some basic dialogue on China needs to happen.

And to you infinite, i don't know what FMSE means, but I'm sure thats the forum moderator right....so if you want some proof or whatever, sit back, relax, and feel the flow - it's coming your way tonight!

[edit on 28-10-2004 by SomewhereInChina]

A 2 minute google can give you this, I'd rather give you the feelings and thoughts of the people of China, but here you are FMSE, your proof from western people who also think like me, a western person...but as I said more trustworthy is the peoples opinions who actually live in this land. You don't want Saudi Arabians telling you the truth about Bill Clinton's sex scandals do you? Of course not, then listen to the people here and quit asking for some much western proof.

"NWO's 30-Year Plan To Infiltrate And Control China Fails"
- rense.com...
- www.iht.com...

"One World Order vs Collective World Order"
- www.rumormillnews.com...

Sorry china, I was wrong for posting that, I dont even know why I did.

Call it a crabby guy with no cigarettes at the moment haha.

Again, sorry.

Originally posted by SomewhereInChina
A 2 minute google can give you this, I'd rather give you the feelings and thoughts of the people of China, but here you are FMSE, your proof from western people who also think like me, a western person...but as I said more trustworthy is the peoples opinions who actually live in this land. You don't want Saudi Arabians telling you the truth about Bill Clinton's sex scandals do you? Of course not, then listen to the people here and quit asking for some much western proof.

"NWO's 30-Year Plan To Infiltrate And Control China Fails"
- rense.com...
- www.iht.com...

"One World Order vs Collective World Order"
- www.rumormillnews.com...

Thank you very much
*goes off to read*

Along with the Chinese freedoms they enjoy

Freedoms? So you can buy porn, and smoke pot, which means you are free? It is widely known that the people of China are oppressed. It has been shown in multiple documentaries and probes by human rights organizations. We also cannot forget Tianaman square either.
A poll conducted a few years ago globally, showed the Chinese and Russians to be the most unhappy in the world.

I am aware there is a next-generation in China today, that smokes pot, goes clubbing, has pre-martial and underage sex, and listens to rock music, which I would call being white-washed by western culture, so you are already coming under the influence of the NWO. They are an underground movement in China as of yet.

The other side of China, the poor people, are brutally suppressed. Just last year, I found out how many people in prisons were executed, some for menial crimes.

Oh, and cybercafes in China are monitored by the police. I recall a student who made the forbidden crime of researching "democracy online" and he was raided by the police immediately. I mean it really is ridiculous in China, people are so hopelessly brainwashed. I saw that in the recently held Miss world pagent. Do they really think holding a miss world pagent is something of prestige It was funny when Miss China said "China is the best"

In fact, it seems like the NWO is already there in China. The people are so outrageousy controlled, oppressed and herded by the state, yet they feel really proud for the state when it holds a beauty pagent, test-fires a new ICBM, shoots down a US plane, threatens Taiwan, or erects a new skyscraper.

Don't sell me this crap that China is free. Do you know how poorly the poor are treated, they are practically eliminated from China's statistics, so that it can boast of a more prosperous side, so that it can boast to the world, how well it is doing. Most of the rural men are not even allowed into Hong Kong, or they might corrupt it's beauty. Yeah whatever.

[edit on 29-10-2004 by Indigo_Child]

I can agree that a one world government in the strictest sense, does not seem likely. however I do not feel many people understand just what the NWO is or how it ties countries together under one entity.
so I want to start by saying this. the whole world is already tied together under one entity, and that is the world banking system. a group that sets monetary value, and handles currency exchange etc. money is the uniting factor and the amount of hands controling it are rapidly depleteing.

Originally posted by SomewhereInChina
There will not be a world order in the near future! NWO is such a western idea. I grew up thinking it would happen too. But after 3 years of living in China I know it will never happen. It's a fantasy, the radical fear of old world powers aligning, but only dominant western powers. Eastern powers have no interest in consolidating. So.... unless you can prove me wrong I'll be happy to just sit here and peep at all you're rhetoric. Show me some proof, some Asian sources, that point towards eastern involvement towards the NWO.....thanx

I don't think you will accept this as proof, but the Bible makes it clear (Dan 2, Rev 13) that there will be a Global Government formed - very soon.

However, you bring up a very interesting point that not too many people consider and that is that the New World Order is a totally Western Idea, because of the prominence of the West - Europe and America.

When Western Europe and America get kicked of their little pedistals, you will see this Global Government emerge...

[edit on 10/28/04 by jesterbr549]

are you referring to the bible verses which mention the beast and 10 heads?

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Dan 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all [things]: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.


Dan 2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.


Dan 2:42 And [as] the toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay, [so] the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.


Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.


Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

This is about the only thing in Dan 2 that refers to anything approaching a new world order and the kingdoms are broken in pieces. If anything, these verses imply there will never be a united world government.

p.s. forgive me if I am quoting some verses which you did not reference but Dan 2 is a little ambiguous (where's edsinger when you need him? )

[edit on 29-10-2004 by Chris McGee]

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
I am aware there is a next-generation in China today...They are an underground movement in China as of yet....

You don't really know what you are talking about and you are suffering from the effects of the 'propaganda machine' which I'm sure you have heard of before - or at least I hope so.

There is no underground movement because there is no need for one, people are free to make money, party, and worship in their own way...take the Christian Church with the huge cross on it's steeple for insance in the small towns and cities - what, "china?" you say. Today's China of 2004 is very different from the 1970's.

....I found out how many people in prisons were executed, some for menial crimes...

There are 1.3 billion or more people in China, and many in prison...how can we know for sure how many - we cant. But execution in China is used for capitol crimes such as Grand Theft and Murder. Every time there are executions a poster will go up in the district of the execution with the names and faces of people. Women and men are executed for crimes against the community. - I see nothing wrong with this. You must understand the grand theft they are talking about is the CEO's of factories taking all the money and trying to run away, leaving thousands of workers without their paychecks and retirement funds...not very social is it - now you stated menial...I could scan the posters and show you my proof of this, but what can you do for me...oh and I just asked my chinese wife for some clarification and she added if people work in the goverment and launder money, they can be executed too.

...I mean it really is ridiculous in China, people are so hopelessly brainwashed...

well, since I'm in china and my wife is chinese and we have a happy life and I am american, and I feel freer in China because I can do everything I can do in america here and more, than I would say you really know nothing about this place so it seems to me you are pretty brainwashed, but since you are, you will reject all of this information and will not open your mind to new possibilities, other than turning on the tv and watching a new documentary on the red commies of the east.

...The people are so outrageousy controlled...

Yep, thats your elementary view of communism...it's just too bad you don't really understand that most people even the people in the party don't like communism, but thats the cards they got dealt and they didn't really come out on the bottom did they, look at china now, its growing faster than america, does that make you jealous??? do you think the people are being controlled to make their country stronger, smarter, better, learning from past mistakes and 5000 years of history too...your comments about the chinese are very demeaning...you think they have no strength...your pity for these people can be easily confused with a mindset of western cultural dominance, and that mindset is very dangerous...no less to say a controlled mindset...so think twice before you flail such demeaning statements about a peoples. The U.S. can barely manage its population, now times it by 5 the problems would be more disasterous...obviously China is doing something right to have a stable and growing society and economy...for more people too....not an easy task - and how can they do this, because the people are free. Under a controlled and repressive regime creativity and production capacity are limited such as the wills of the people...with new policies China has eradicated old time era politics and ushered in a new wave of live based on moral development, economic success and pride of the people. So...uh...yeah what did you say?

...Don't sell me this crap that China is free...

Yeah, well they are...and you don't believe it - "WOW"

I am just going to let the following do the talking:

Women and men are executed for crimes against the community.

I just wonder what those crimes are?

Is protesting one of them?

Or how about being a Tibetian Lama? www.hrw.org...

Perhaps, people with truck loads(mass execution of 39 people 1998)

news.bbc.co.uk...

There sure must be a lot of criminals of society in China, seeing as the number of people executed in China in 1999 alone, was more than those killed in rest of the world combined. news.bbc.co.uk...

Amnesty said it was concerned about what it calls unfair trials and the use of torture to gain confessions.

It also slammed China's use of leg irons on condemned prisoners, the humiliation of convicts at mass sentencing rallies and the disregard given to mitigating evidence in some cases.

Ah, don't worry, I found an entire list of crimes punishable by execution: www.amnesty.org...

poisoning of livestock
murder
attempted murder
manslaughter
killing a tiger
armed robbery
robbery
rape
causing injury
assault
habitual theft
theft
burglary
kidnapping
trafficking in women or children
organizing prostitution
pimping
organizing pornography rings
publishing pornography
hooliganism
seriously disrupting public order
causing explosions
destroying or causing damage to public or private property
"counter-revolutionary sabotage"
arson
drug-trafficking
corruption
embezzlement
taking bribes
fraud
speculation and profiteering
forgery
reselling value-added tax receipts
tax evasion
stealing or illegally manufacturing weapons
illegally possessing or selling firearms and ammunition
stealing or dealing in national treasures or cultural relics
selling counterfeit money
blackmail.

Oh and we can't forget Tianaman square now, it was in 1989, and while many students were massacared, others are still serving jail sentences.

well, since I'm in china and my wife is chinese and we have a happy life and I am american, and I feel freer in China because I can do everything I can do in america here and more

Free? www.hrw.org...

The government of the People's Republic of China systematically restricts freedom of expression. The China Democracy Party, an opposition political party formed within China, has been restricted, and its leaders arrested or forced to flee the country. Since 1989, student activists around the country calling for greater democratization and transparency have received prison sentences ranging from ten years to life. Chinese ethnic and religious minority activists who call for genuine autonomy or separatism, such as Tibetan Buddhists and Uighur Muslims, are routinely jailed. In Chinese prisons and labor camps all such political prisoners are often mistreated, denied medical treatment, and even tortured or executed. In China, in short, any public expression of views that differ from those of the state, and provision of information not deemed politically acceptable, may be considered "harmful" and may result in a prison sentence. There is a strong likelihood that Yahoo will assist in furthering such human rights violations.

its growing faster than america, does that make you jealous???

LoL, you see that is what it is about. This delusion of granduer. I am not American FYI. China has a got a long way to go before it even reaches the level of US. I guess it can start with it's poor first, who are the people who count.

pity for these people can be easily confused with a mindset of western cultural dominance, and that mindset is very dangerous...no less to say a controlled mindset...

Hmm, western cultural dominance. Do you remembering saying something about smoking pot and buying porn before.

obviously China is doing something right to have a stable and growing society and economy...for more people too....not an easy task -

Let's see, keep the people in fear from the state, control every expression of free speech, execute or imprison everyone that differs with state policy, exploit slave labour, and neglect the poor. Yeah, it's working a charm.

and how can they do this, because the people are free. Under a controlled and repressive regime creativity and production capacity are limited such as the wills of the people...with new policies China has eradicated old time era politics and ushered in a new wave of live based on moral development, economic success and pride of the people. So...uh...yeah what did you say?

Are you proud enough to admit, that all the facts I have presented, are happening in China, and you are morally developed enough, to condemn them. Are you really in China? I would not have thought ATS would be allowed in China.

...Don't sell me this crap that China is free...

You know congratulations on Oylmpics in 2008, while you can feel proud, hundreds of thousands of tenants and homeowners are being forced out of their homes: hrw.org... to make way for standiums and other nice things for us westerns to look at.

Yeah, well they are...and you don't believe it - "WOW"

1. PRC PR Agent
2. Fanatic
3. Brainwashed

Which?

[edit on 30-10-2004 by Indigo_Child]

You doubt I am in china so check my IP 218.6.253.253 but it's not static, I have a webpage that my comp is the server so I use an automatic IP Updater or dynamic IP so you can always come to my computer at www.platypusmusic.cn a little webpage that some expats and myself put together to keep in touch and get more music and art in our life....anyways

you are so forcefull...especially when presenting a lot of propaganda, and since this forum was originally about the NWO never happening in China, I suggest if you would like to have a HUMAN RIGHTS forum about China then start a new one...

And you still think you are right...WOW

Originally posted by SomewhereInChina
You doubt I am in china so check my IP 218.6.253.253 but it's not static, I have a webpage that my comp is the server so I use an automatic IP Updater or dynamic IP so you can always come to my computer at www.platypusmusic.cn a little webpage that some expats and myself put together to keep in touch and get more music and art in our life....anyways

Maybe you are in China, I just had doubt ATS would be allowed in China, as it is a western site. Are you free enough to openly disagree with state policy and show moral support for those wronged there?

you are so forcefull...especially when presenting a lot of propaganda

Facts from reputable human rights organizations in the world.

and since this forum was originally about the NWO never happening in China, I suggest if you would like to have a HUMAN RIGHTS forum about China then start a new one...

This topic is about wether China could come under an NWO. You said it couldn't, because of some nonsense like the people are free. My case backed by facts, states otherwise. It's your jingoism against professional human rights reports from reputable bodies.

I think, for people, run under a totalitarian system, the transition to an NWO would not be much at all. No one would probably notice a difference.

And you still think you are right...WOW

It's not about being right here, it's about what is true, and as I said, i'll let the facts do the talking.

[edit on 30-10-2004 by Indigo_Child]