Moscow is preparing to evacuate 30,000 Russians from Syria.

Moscow is preparing to evacuate 30,000 Russians from Syria

Moscow has developed a plan of evacuating Russians from Syria. Russian power ministries with the Foreign Ministry’s support are prepared to evacuate about 30,000 Russian citizens from the country engulfed in a civil war.

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In the past months, as I've tried to follow the news coming out of Syria, the best footage by far, has come from Russian embedded journalists, now things are changing though...

As things turn from bad to worse for the Assad regime Russia begins to make plans to evacuate 30 000 + if needed.



This should be an indicator as to, just how bad things are at present time in Syria.

The evacuation plan was developed by the Russian Emergency Ministry, Ministry of Defence and Foreign Ministry. This fact means that Moscow fears the aggravation of the situation in Syria, First Vice-President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems Konstantin Sivkov told The Voice of Russia. He believes that it is necessary and timely to take preventive steps to guarantee Russian citizens’ security and preserve their personal property.

“If we know that the number of people is 30,000 we can calculate the required number of buses, ships and planes. To evacuate 30,000 people we need 500-600 bus trips and about 100 plane flights. We need 5-6 ships that could accommodate about 1,000 people. Russia is capable of allocating this number of ships and planes. The operation will certainly not be carried out overnight, in all probability it will take a week or two, which is enough to evacuate all Russians from Syria.”

I made a thread a few weeks back, in it I described my surprise at the turn of events in Syria, and now with this latest news even the Russians are making plans to get out...and fast.

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A movement of that magnitude could also put in place 1 soldier for every civilian extracted. Why waste the return journey. 30,000 Russian assault troops would make a very big splash.

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or rook to queens bishop 4.

This sure speaks of the very very low opinion Moscow has for the future of Syria in the hands of the FSA. Even under Western control, Syria wouldn't be a place for Russians to run from. It might even make it more inviting outside their arms industry. This leaves a real bad feeling for what they see as possibly coming to whoever is left behind.

Perhaps...moving any Americans well OUT of Syria and safely up into Turkey about now..or even down into Israel...wouldn't be the worst idea we've ever had.

Russia is kinda like the International version of the guy with the Bomb Squad T-shirt because they don't DO much very often. When they are running though or getting out of the way very quickly? Well, like the joke shirt says, Follow...fast.

Its all very well the Russian government making these plans to evacuate 30 000 Russians from Syria, but what they don't tell you is where they are going to put them?

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My guess.....


Russia.


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Originally posted by pheonix358
A movement of that magnitude could also put in place 1 soldier for every civilian extracted. Why waste the return journey. 30,000 Russian assault troops would make a very big splash.

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30,000 Russian assualt troops with no support, logistical trail, command and control or heavy weapons would be a disaster waiting to happen. Not to mention a huge PR victory for the Rebels who would claim Syria was being invaded by an outside Christian power and result in massive defections of what is left of the loyal Syrian Army.

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Possibly. I am of the opinion that Russia may let Syria fall. Russia has some very interesting logistic problems in supporting Syria, not the least being that Russia's Black Sea Fleet has to have Turkey's permission to transit to the Mediterranean Sea and there is no direct air corridor between Russia and Syria.

However, Iran shares a direct border with Russia via the Caspian Sea which solves most of the logistical problems.

I do think that Russia has had enough.

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Wow! When Putin starts getting nervous enough to prep for evacuating his citizens we should probably ALL start getting nervous! We need to keep a close eye on Syria- even closer than before!

Thanks SS! Swaaaa!

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Your welcome littled16

Glad you enjoyed the info.


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Originally posted by December21st2012
Its all very well the Russian government making these plans to evacuate 30 000 Russians from Syria, but what they don't tell you is where they are going to put them?

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really ...

take a look
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Russia is a very big place

Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by Spike Spiegle

 

Wow! When Putin starts getting nervous enough to prep for evacuating his citizens we should probably ALL start getting nervous! We need to keep a close eye on Syria- even closer than before!

Thanks SS! Swaaaa!

The Russian see the same thing the rest of us do. The rebels are making huge gains and the Syrian Army at all ranks continues to change sides. And that has been the key all along. From the first deserter who refused to shoot civilians and who started shooting back to defend them the Syrian military has no interest is killing its own people to keep one guy in power. This makes it very hard for Assad as he has to be careful what units he sends agaist the rebels because half the time the change sides and the rebels not only win the battle but come out with more men, weapons and supplies. Assad is either end up holding up in small loyal area of the country or he is gonna end up being taken or killed by some of the very forces defending him. It is only a matter of time.

They are leaving before the place turns into glass and they are left with cleaning up the poisoned bodies. The sign of the door says: it's too cold in Russia, will be back next spring to kick behinds.

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Recent kidnappings of journalists and civilians by the friendly neighbor hood fractional rebels are the cause for concern, not some change in relations between Damascus and Moscow. From the source:

...words were misinterpreted and that Moscow's position on the crisis hasn't shifted.
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Russian Foreign Ministry said Tuesday that two Russians were kidnapped alongside an Italian in Syria and that their captors have asked for a ransom for their release.
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The kidnapping of foreigners has been rare, but as Syria descends further into chaos the abduction of Syrians has become increasingly common across many parts of the country.

Most of those kidnappings appear to have sectarian motives, part of tit-for-tat attacks between rebels and pro-regime gunmen. But there have been many cases of gunmen capturing wealthy people for ransom or settling personal scores.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Thats why an evacuation "may" be being "planned". Not because Russia is "losing confidence" or "changed its position" or is preparing for the "end game". They are concerned about their citizens being kidnapped by the thugs running loose inside Syria's borders. You notice its not Assad kidnapping foreigners, but the "rebels" (read that insurgents).They are kidnapping foreigners for money. What noble fellows are these? Kidnapping, murder, ransom. Guess they reveal their true colors again, huh? Can't wait to see how they rule the Syrian people.

If the situation is deteriorating, it is because of the influx of arms by Nato across Syria's borders.

The New York Times article drips with lies.

In my opinion, i believe it's because NATO are about ready to intervene in Syria, NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen was laying the ground for NATO when he said today about the alleged reports of scud missiles being fired a few days ago.

"The fact that such missiles are used in Syria emphasises the need for effective defence protection of our ally Turkey,"
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And if you add the dots with other news from the embedded Russian journalists.

The FSA rebels cannot break Damascus and are constantly being pushed back and in the last month have lost quite a few big name commanders bringing FSA morale to a new low, and a group loyal to Assad are the ones taking out these FSA commanders, they are called the shabiha.

Shabiha are basically a Syrian underworld mafia organization and have been around a long time, and according to Russian reports they have been the ones infiltrating the FSA and assassinating the leaders i guess they stand to lose just as much as assad if Syria falls into the Islamist hands, Assad has no control over the Shabiha, they have always been a powerful underworld gang in Syria.

So by all accounts it's becoming a stale mate, which means NATO needs to make a move to break the deadlock and try and keep the momentum going, and the Russians know it.

Expect NATO to make a heavy push for intervention now.


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Here the NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen speaking today about Syria.

Hmm. Less than 24 hours after 128 Russians (and rising) have died in sub-freezing temperatures..

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He should prove just how much smarter he is than old Qaddafi and take his family and His Billions I mean, Syria's Billions and retire safely in Russia while he still can and not end up in some half ass TV show trial or worse...

There the West can't touch him or his family and he could talk all the smack he wants about the evil West

I wanna know after what 2 years of "civil war" why Russia still has "civilians" in theatre?

Are those "civilians" Saddams WMDS being carried out of the country because they don't want NATO or the world to find out?

Assad should take his family and go to Russia and live under the glorious dictator Putin.

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by Spike Spiegle

 

Recent kidnappings of journalists and civilians by the friendly neighbor hood fractional rebels are the cause for concern, not some change in relations between Damascus and Moscow. From the source:

...words were misinterpreted and that Moscow's position on the crisis hasn't shifted.
---
Russian Foreign Ministry said Tuesday that two Russians were kidnapped alongside an Italian in Syria and that their captors have asked for a ransom for their release.
---
The kidnapping of foreigners has been rare, but as Syria descends further into chaos the abduction of Syrians has become increasingly common across many parts of the country.

Most of those kidnappings appear to have sectarian motives, part of tit-for-tat attacks between rebels and pro-regime gunmen. But there have been many cases of gunmen capturing wealthy people for ransom or settling personal scores.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Thats why an evacuation "may" be being "planned". Not because Russia is "losing confidence" or "changed its position" or is preparing for the "end game". They are concerned about their citizens being kidnapped by the thugs running loose inside Syria's borders. You notice its not Assad kidnapping foreigners, but the "rebels" (read that insurgents).They are kidnapping foreigners for money. What noble fellows are these? Kidnapping, murder, ransom. Guess they reveal their true colors again, huh? Can't wait to see how they rule the Syrian people.

If the situation is deteriorating, it is because of the influx of arms by Nato across Syria's borders.

The New York Times article drips with lies.

if you were a rebel and the hospitals you were in got bombed every tme would you not resort to cheap tactics too?

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if you were a rebel and the hospitals you were in got bombed every tme would you not resort to cheap tactics too?

I thought all that "humanitarian non-lethal aid" NATO is funneling in through Turkey was supposed to consist of medical supplies and stuff?

By the way once the rebels "occupy" a town like Homs or Allepo, most of the civilians flee cross borders to refugee camps in Turkey, Beirut and Jordan. So the only people in those towns would be the rebels. I doubt Assad wants them using those hospitals, or water, or power for that matter.

Nice try making it appear that Assad is bombing his own people. He is leveling his infrastructure in an effort to rid his towns of the insurgents. Looks like he is "evil" though, I'll grant you that. That is the nature of Guerrilla ops, to make the lawful government appear to be the "bad guys".

Cheap tactics on the part of the "rebels" to make it look like that. Even lower to kidnap and ransom Syrians. I thought they were the "good guys"? Aren't they trying to protect the Syrian people from Assad?