Lets just ban all the guns... it would solve everything

So it turns out Madcow was wrong again... no one is taking anyones guns away...ehh??

www.abovetopsecret.com...


I think it's time to start listening to the liberals and solve this problem once and for all... let's just ban guns. It would make us so much safer! I mean just look at the socialist utopia they love to point to... Switzerland! According to government statistics in 2010 they only had 40 homicides involving firearms! And why is that? Because guns are banned there!
Errrr no wait... I just looked it up and theyre protected by a militia not an army so a great deal of the population has military grade weapons in their house. I guess that's not a good example...

Look ... there was a shooting in Oregon at the Clackamas mall. A masked gunman ran in and started on a rampage! If guns were banned he wouldn't have been able to do that. Thankfully before more people were killed he ran out of bullets, saving one to end his own life.
Errr crap... just looked that one up to... turns out he stopped shooting after being confronted by an armed citizen and ran away before killing himself. I guess thats another bad example...

Well I guess we should look at the Connecticut shooting. A deranged man went to an elementary school and killed a lot of kids. Now if this state had decent gun laws this is a preventable tragedy! There would be no way he could have pulled that off.
Errrr wait a second... looking more into that I guess that state has some of the most strictest gun laws in the entire country. Actually California is the only state with stricter laws than Connecticut.

Well I guess these are bad examples... but trust me... if guns were banned these things wouldn't happen!

We should just get rid of our rights. I mean they were put there when people didn't trust the government and we needed to make sure we could defend ourselves from a tyrannical government. Some of the gun nuts on this website act like the U.S. government can't be trusted. I mean it's not like there are people on here pushing for a 'police brutality' forum or anything. Everything is under control where we live. Just give up your guns and let the government take care of everything... it will work out.

If we did this there would be no more murders! It's not like people get killed by cars, knives, bats, pipes, chemicals, brass knuckles, bow and arrows or bare fists. Things like that just don't happen.

Love it.
I think people that are so anxious to give up their rights should go live in maximum security communities (prisons.) They'll be much safer and won't have to worry about anything. I'll take my chances out here with the armed scoundrels.

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I saw the title and was prepared to go to war with you.... then I read the thread. Nicely done and well said!

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Lol I like to make my titles catching... I knew someone would read it and get the "Oh hell no let me handle this" moment

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na, I watched a comedian ages ago who came up with a brilliant solution. I wish I could remember his name and post the vid, he suggested "increasing the price of bullets" yanno, make them so unaffordable.

Originally posted by Thurisaz
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na, I watched a comedian ages ago who came up with a brilliant solution. I wish I could remember his name and post the vid, he suggested "increasing the price of bullets" yanno, make them so unaffordable.

It was Chris Rock

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If we did this there would be no more murders! It's not like people get killed by cars, knives, bats, pipes, chemicals, brass knuckles, bow and arrows or bare fists. Things like that just don't happen.

Of course people going to die by that.. only difference is that... guy with a Gun can finish off 100 people in 10 sec, while guy with brass knuckles, might land his 3rd punch on the first victim.

Its the lethality.

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thx I am going to watch it on youtube again.

So urce

Gun ownership per country

Either the enormous amount of gun related crime in the US is a direct symptom of the enormous amount privately owned guns which exist throughout the greater community

or

The citizens of the United States are just too stupid blood thirsty to be trusted with firearms.

Either way a little bit of gun control is desperately needed and fast.

I mean seriously, if there are less guns available then less people will get shot. It’s a simple causal relationship.

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How about instead of gun 'control' we focus on educating our children? Do more for mental health. Look at the culture we live in. Guns are glorified... Rap music is leading the industry and the majority of rappers are "gangsters" who talk about their guns and money. Rap is my choice of music so saying that doesn't mean I think 'rap' is the main cause but it is a factor. Also look at the news. We show death after death after disaster. Or media... the blockbuster movies are the violent ones. Transformers.... Lord of the Rings... Pick your poison. Most of the popular movies have violent themes.

I don't think thats the reason for all gun violence. When I was 4 my favorite movie was The Terminator. I grew up on rap music and I watched the news coverage on a daily basis... and I turned out decent. I think it's a combination of culture and parenting. On the other hand some people are just downright evil.

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Originally posted by Athin
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How about instead of gun 'control' we focus on educating our children? Do more for mental health. Look at the culture we live in. Guns are glorified... Rap music is leading the industry and the majority of rappers are "gangsters" who talk about their guns and money. Rap is my choice of music so saying that doesn't mean I think 'rap' is the main cause but it is a factor. Also look at the news. We show death after death after disaster. Or media... the blockbuster movies are the violent ones. Transformers.... Lord of the Rings... Pick your poison. Most of the popular movies have violent themes.

I don't think thats the reason for all gun violence. When I was 4 my favorite movie was The Terminator. I grew up on rap music and I watched the news coverage on a daily basis... and I turned out decent. I think it's a combination of culture and parenting. On the other hand some people are just downright evil.

The United States has normalised gun ownership in a way that no other developed country has and now it’s paying the price. What kind of country has a Constitutional Amendment which states all citizens have the right to carry tools of death and then wonders why so many people are getting shot. Unless you’re a farmer or a member of the police there is no reason anyone should be carrying a gun. And even for those last two groups there are ways around it. Almost daily I read the news and see what’s happening in the states and almost every time I catch myself thinking ‘Thank God I don’t live in a country like that’. Imagining that every thief has a gun; that I might have to send my kids to a school which needs armed guards…. I cannot see, I cannot understand how you guys find this aspect of life to be ‘normal’ and protest so much against measure that will take more of these weapons out of circulation.

I’m all for educating kids and doing more for mental health. In fact if the US poured all those trillions its wasting on furthering the cause of global instability (approximately 50% of GDP) maybe your country could be great again. But education, mental health resources, all of it can only go so far while there are still guns completely saturated through the wider community. Education….what can you do? Tell the kiddies not to commit massacres. Mental health…? How many of those who committed these massacres were ever flagged as being anything more than ‘the quiet kid’? prior to the event? What about those with mental health issues who live in a household where another occupant owns guns?

You see, every other solution leaves to many areas of grey, or simply just won’t work but sounds good politically. You have to remove the tool that allows these looneys to commit such crimes in the first place. Everything else is merely like trying to put a bandaid on a deep festering sore.

I see your graph on gun related crime and raise you another:



This trend has continued to the present day. But hey, there's hope:



Every single one of these horrific mass murders has taken place in a gun free zone.

Also, do you know how many Black children have been murdered in Chicago in the last month? More than at Sandy Hook. Where was the outrage? None. They're Black. How about how many Afghan children have been murdered (not an accident, intentionally murdered) by one of our own soldiers? Staff Sgt Robert Bales killed 16 civilians, including children. At least he's on trial, but his wife worries it might not be "fair." How many children have been killed by US drones while Obama gleefully watched? Hundreds. And you want our government to regulate guns????

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Originally posted by schuyler

Every single one of these horrific mass murders has taken place in a gun free zone.

Also, do you know how many Black children have been murdered in Chicago in the last month? More than at Sandy Hook. Where was the outrage? None. They're Black. How about how many Afghan children have been murdered (not an accident, intentionally murdered) by one of our own soldiers? Staff Sgt Robert Bales killed 16 civilians, including children. At least he's on trial, but his wife worries it might not be "fair." How many children have been killed by US drones while Obama gleefully watched? Hundreds. And you want our government to regulate guns????

More guns equals less violence.... yes makes perfect sense to me. And all those school massacres definitely seem slowing down…

I do not understand the logic here. More guns = more opportunities for some crazy to get their hands on one and start shooting people. I would be interested how your graph compares violent crimes of the United States to those of any of the other 1st World countries.

The idea of a ‘gun free zone’ in a country saturated with weapons is beyond a joke and you guys are trying to convince me this proves anything. How about making the entire country a gun free zone and then see what kind of a difference that makes. In 1996 after a particularly nasty massacre the Australian government tightened its gun regulations and bought back all guns that had now become illegal. And it has worked. Violent crime is down overall and we have had no serious massacres for the past 13 years. You guys average one EVERY year.

For some perverse reason gun ownership in America has been linked with freedom. But everywhere else in the world not having to own a gun equals freedom. As for the US government…please. No one in the world trusts there government. If the US government decided to turn on its populace you think you and your Bushmaster would stand a chance against the might of the US army.

As I type these very words I’m imagining you and your buddies angrily waving sawnoffs and pitchforks and some unmanned drone packed to the hilt with cruise missiles aimed directly at you.

Originally posted by 1littlewolf
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Originally posted by schuyler

Every single one of these horrific mass murders has taken place in a gun free zone.

Also, do you know how many Black children have been murdered in Chicago in the last month? More than at Sandy Hook. Where was the outrage? None. They're Black. How about how many Afghan children have been murdered (not an accident, intentionally murdered) by one of our own soldiers? Staff Sgt Robert Bales killed 16 civilians, including children. At least he's on trial, but his wife worries it might not be "fair." How many children have been killed by US drones while Obama gleefully watched? Hundreds. And you want our government to regulate guns????

More guns equals less violence.... yes makes perfect sense to me. And all those school massacres definitely seem slowing down…

I do not understand the logic here. More guns = more opportunities for some crazy to get their hands on one and start shooting people. I would be interested how your graph compares violent crimes of the United States to those of any of the other 1st World countries.

The idea of a ‘gun free zone’ in a country saturated with weapons is beyond a joke and you guys are trying to convince me this proves anything. How about making the entire country a gun free zone and then see what kind of a difference that makes. In 1996 after a particularly nasty massacre the Australian government tightened its gun regulations and bought back all guns that had now become illegal. And it has worked. Violent crime is down overall and we have had no serious massacres for the past 13 years. You guys average one EVERY year.

For some perverse reason gun ownership in America has been linked with freedom. But everywhere else in the world not having to own a gun equals freedom. As for the US government…please. No one in the world trusts there government. If the US government decided to turn on its populace you think you and your Bushmaster would stand a chance against the might of the US army.

As I type these very words I’m imagining you and your buddies angrily waving sawnoffs and pitchforks and some unmanned drone packed to the hilt with cruise missiles aimed directly at you.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Actually Britain has the highest violent crime rate in the world...

How did Hitler control the masses? He took away everyones guns who wasn't on his team.

Originally posted by Athin

Actually Britain has the highest violent crime rate in the world...

'Violent Crime' and 'Gun Related Homicide' though related are not the same thing. In the former there is an act of violence, in the latter someone is shot and killed. And the US is way ahead of the pack for all 1st World countries when it comes to gun related homicide.

How did Hitler control the masses? He took away everyones guns who wasn't on his team.

This truly is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this thread so far. You want to keep the tools that facilitate all these massacres on the off chance one day you elect a dictator with an inclination toward gassing Jews. After electing George W. Bush twice I might be inclined to believe you but this truly is grasping at straws. How many more massacres have to take place before you decide the risk of accidently electing a psychopathic tyrant is balanced up against the very real occurrence of children getting murdered?

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You said violent crimes, not homicides by gun.

Of course I don't think there's going to be another 'Hitler', but I do believe we're living in a time when government is getting out of control. If you don't see it then I guess you can keep walking around with your blinders on. As for me... I will be carrying on with my gun on my waist.

And why is gun violence such a huge deal to you? What about the women in the middle east being killed for getting raped? Or the African militias murdering children? There are genocides going on around the world and people are focused on 20 kids getting shot. Or some people at a movie theatre. How about we fix the rest of the worlds mass killings before we take guns away because 10k a year are killed.

I don't own a gun, never have and most likely never will. I dont have the same fear that gun control is the initial move in a Govt takeover. The 2 amendment, in its current form , made sense for when it was written but now might be a good time to review it and adjust for or against. Basically I fall in the middle of this and say if people want to own guns then great and if people dont want to own guns then just as great.

What I don't get is the belief that making guns illegal will somehow make things safer. By nature a criminal breaks the law and since most people committing crimes with guns are criminals I am not sure what you are going to get. I believe the shooting in CT was a random event without any nefarious MKUltra\Xfiles conspiracy to it. If guns were illegal then I think that same random horrible event would have happened.

I just think their is better fruit to squeeze then gun control. Drunk driving, smoking, many other things.

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Originally posted by Athin

You said violent crimes, not homicides by gun.

Okay fair enough; although a small point I will make is that violence has a lot less chance of ending in death if there are less guns available. A violent crime committed can be committed with a closed fist.

Of course I don't think there's going to be another 'Hitler', but I do believe we're living in a time when government is getting out of control. If you don't see it then I guess you can keep walking around with your blinders on. As for me... I will be carrying on with my gun on my waist.

I will definitely agree with you there. The government is out of control but I honestly can’t see how carrying a gun will stop this. Seriously though, if the government did turn on the populace how long do you think your little compound would last against a cruise missile launched at you from some unmanned drone. They would only send in the foot soldiers to make sure the job is finished and if I were still alive I would not be hanging out for a gun fight against trained soldiers. I’d be running.

Once again you are weighing up some future imaginary risk against the very real occurrence of children getting massacred. You can accuse me of wearing blinders if you want, but I don’t live in the US. So you can walk around all day with your gun on your hip due to either real necessity cos of the shear amount of guns saturating your wider society (and the fact that some crazy will get their hands on one of them which essentially proves my point) or you can wear it due to some imagined fear of the government turning on you sometime in the future. I’m gonna stick to my country where few if anyone fears gun related violence and school massacres do not occur BECAUSE NONE OF US HAVE ANY GUNS TO BEGIN WITH.

And why is gun violence such a huge deal to you? What about the women in the middle east being killed for getting raped? Or the African militias murdering children? There are genocides going on around the world and people are focused on 20 kids getting shot. Or some people at a movie theatre. How about we fix the rest of the worlds mass killings before we take guns away because 10k a year are killed.

Your thread is about gun violence not any of the other issues you mentioned above. What is a huge deal to me is the complete logical divide that you and many Americans share that somehow having guns available to every person, including those YET to caught committing a criminal act or who haven’t yet been diagnosed with mental problems is somehow a good thing.

If having every US citizen own a gun would in any way solve the rest of the world’s mass killings then I may reconsider my position. But if anything I can only see it making matters worse. Believe me if you wrote a thread in support of murdering rape victims I would also come down on you like a ton of bricks, but you haven’t and hopefully you won’t.

Your opinion is that having guns saturating society is somehow makes America better. My opinion is that it makes it far worse.

As I said above to you

Almost daily I read the news and see what’s happening in the states and almost every time I catch myself thinking ‘Thank God I don’t live in a country like that’. Imagining that every thief has a gun; that I might have to send my kids to a school which needs armed guards…. I cannot see, I cannot understand how you guys find this aspect of life to be ‘normal’ and protest so much against measure that will take more of these weapons out of circulation.

Double post sorry

Originally posted by opethPA

What I don't get is the belief that making guns illegal will somehow make things safer. By nature a criminal breaks the law and since most people committing crimes with guns are criminals I am not sure what you are going to get.

If guns were illegal there would be less of them and therefore less chance of them falling into the hands of those who would commit such crimes with them. People go on about self defence or whatever but here’s a few sobering stats.

• 54% of firearm-related deaths occurred in the home where the gun was kept
• 70.5% of these (firearm-related deaths in the home where the gun was kept) involved handguns
• 0.5% of these (firearm-related deaths in the home where the gun was kept) involved an intruder shot while attempting entry
• 1.8% of these (firearm-related deaths in the home where the gun was kept) were judged by police as self-defense
• there were 1.3 times as many accidental firearm-related deaths in the home where the gun was kept as self-protection shootings
• there were 4.6 times as many criminal firearm-related homicides in the home where the gun was kept as self-protection shootings
• there were 37 times as many suicides in the home where the gun was kept as self-protection shootings.

en.wikipedia.org...

If you read the whole article it states that for every time a gun in the home was sued in self defence there were 4 times as many people getting killed accidently by being shot either by themselves or someone else. Massacres aside this in itself is enough justification t remove as many guns out of circulation as possible.