Religion Should Be Taught In Public Schools.... WHAT?!?!?!?

Originally posted by Sovaka

Originally posted by pointr97
I'm sorry, but totally disagree, ignorance of our societal differences is what cause conflict.....If more christians knew that muslims considered christians a wayward brother in history, we might not see them as such an enemy....of if we were taught what christians did during the crusades to the muslims, we might be a bit more ashamed of our actions and not so quick to attack them. Ignorance of religious differences is worse than an ignorance of gravity standing on the edge of a tall building, that ignorance will only effect you.

This shows just how ignorant you are on the subject.
It isn't religious teachings (or lack thereof) that causes these tensions.

The reason why the Western world sees Muslims as enemies is because that is how the Government and their Media arms want them to be portrayed.

I should hope that you have seen many many articles around the web that actually show Christians, Islamics and Muslims all embracing each other as a people and respecting their different opinions and beliefs.

It is not for the lack of education... Is it due to the demonizing by the Western Governments and Media.

edit on 19/12/2012 by Sovaka because: Syntax

and that shows your ignorance.....this goes back hundreds of years...When the muslims took Jerusalem, they allowed the Christians to surrender and leave....When the Christians returned and retook it, they slaughtered everyone....That was what started the bad blood, and it has just compounded from there. However, I understand, you weren't taught that in a western school.

reply to post by DelayedChristmas


Education has not a lot to do with it.
The Western world are so engrained and programmed by the Western Media, that they would believe anything Government spoon fed them.

You want to change how the world is viewed, change the Governments and the status-quo.

reply to post by pointr97


Wow... If you think that is how it went... Sure, it was what you were taught by the Western system.

Yes what you said happened, but not for the reason you believe.

Christians went back and slaughtered them because there was a mad man crazed with power using Religion as an excuse.
Religion has always been used as an excuse... There are countless examples in the worlds history.

Originally posted by Sovaka
reply to post by DelayedChristmas

 

Education has not a lot to do with it.
The Western world are so engrained and programmed by the Western Media, that they would believe anything Government spoon fed them.

You want to change how the world is viewed, change the Governments and the status-quo.

Actually, not to derail the topic at hand, but I think we should change not the government and the status quo, but change on an individual level. How are we to do this? Change the way we treat others and ourselves. As Einstein said, "When we survey our lives and endeavors, we soon observe that almost the whole of our actions and desires is bound up with the existence of other human beings." We are our own worst enemies, not the government. We are the ones that allowed the government to be the way it is. There is no one else to blame but mankind as a whole.

reply to post by DelayedChristmas


And while you are distracted doing that, these Governments you refuse to change will continue to "fly planes" into buildings, orchestrate mass killings in public places... all to push their agenda and what they want.

Meanwhile you sit there and question why religion isn't taught in schools...

Originally posted by Sovaka
reply to post by DelayedChristmas

 

Education has not a lot to do with it.
The Western world are so engrained and programmed by the Western Media, that they would believe anything Government spoon fed them.

You want to change how the world is viewed, change the Governments and the status-quo.

Uhm, isn't that what is being discussed, changing the status quo? Bringing the masses out of ignorance of the people around them, stopping violence against an Indian at the local quickie mart because he looks muslim....teaching religion to our youth so they are not raised with biased views of the narrow minded....The American Military Academies teach this concept, so that we understand the mindset of those we may come in contact with....The art of war, know your enemy......well, if you know him or her, you can start to relate to each other and maybe they aren't your enemy....we do not fear that which is not strange and evil.

Originally posted by Sovaka
reply to post by DelayedChristmas

 

And while you are distracted doing that, these Governments you refuse to change will continue to "fly planes" into buildings, orchestrate mass killings in public places... all to push their agenda and what they want.

Meanwhile you sit there and question why religion isn't taught in schools...

I don't question why religion isn't taught in schools. I know exactly why it isn't taught, because emotions > logic these days. Thus, why the government is allowed to commit inside jobs, deflect tragedies to unwarranted parties, kill innocent people on a wide scale, etc. because emotional appeals are more valued than logical appeals. The only reason why people in the government are the way they are because the intellectuals have bought their puppets. These intellectuals, however, I regard to as the dark side of the force, with money and control as their aspirations. Imagine if the Jedis fight back?

And excuse me if I believe that pragmatic disposition on a sensitive subject like religion would carry on to other facets of life, such as questioning government, another unnecessarily sensitive subject. What do you think about that?

reply to post by pointr97


It doesn't matter if you know who your enemy is (based on your religious argument), because if any person, group of persons or a Government, is listed by your own Government as "Terrorists", you will buy it.
Despite your lack of "better education", you will believe your Government and not question it.

So tell me... How will knowing all religions, their beliefs and their histories, help fight against that?

Originally posted by Sovaka
reply to post by pointr97

 

Wow... If you think that is how it went... Sure, it was what you were taught by the Western system.

Yes what you said happened, but not for the reason you believe.

Christians went back and slaughtered them because there was a mad man crazed with power using Religion as an excuse.
Religion has always been used as an excuse... There are countless examples in the worlds history.

In July 1099, the city of Jerusalem was in their hands. For seven days, the Christian Knights mercilessly slaughtered their enemies.

Originally posted by Sovaka
reply to post by pointr97

 

It doesn't matter if you know who your enemy is (based on your religious argument), because if any person, group of persons or a Government, is listed by your own Government as "Terrorists", you will buy it.
Despite your lack of "better education", you will believe your Government and not question it.

So tell me... How will knowing all religions, their beliefs and their histories, help fight against that?

wow, you are a troll, how can not understanding each other's difference help to build a bridge between them....I'm out of this one.

Originally posted by pointr97
In July 1099, the city of Jerusalem was in their hands. For seven days, the Christian Knights mercilessly slaughtered their enemies.

In the name of Religion as told by their commanders.
There was no reason for them to go back when the "enemy" allowed them to leave.

Originally posted by pointr97
wow, you are a troll, how can not understanding each other's difference help to build a bridge between them....I'm out of this one.

This is my point that I am arguing... This has NOTHING to do with Education.
There are countless accounts of multi-religious peoples all embracing each other.
Israeli's tell the Iranians that they love them.
Iranians tell Israeli's that they love them back.

The people DO embrace each other... It is THEIR Governments that do NOT.

Originally posted by Sovaka

Originally posted by pointr97
wow, you are a troll, how can not understanding each other's difference help to build a bridge between them....I'm out of this one.

This is my point that I am arguing... This has NOTHING to do with Education.
There are countless accounts of multi-religious peoples all embracing each other.
Israeli's tell the Iranians that they love them.
Iranians tell Israeli's that they love them back.

The people DO embrace each other... It is THEIR Governments that do NOT.

Maybe a closeup examination on the bed that religion and politics share would educate the people on how bad both are manipulated by each other? Hence leading to action to solve the problem.

reply to post by DelayedChristmas


My opinion?

I think every myth of creation should be taught. Its important to talk about our history as a race and what different cultures have kept on record throughout the year.

Evolution is all that is taught, like its a fact.

reply to post by DelayedChristmas


Very much so...
At least in America, religion should be separated from state, that includes Politics... but we know otherwise about that.

I can't speak about other religious countries, but Religion SHOULD be removed from Politics.
Will that happen? I don't think so.

Originally posted by MamaJ
reply to post by DelayedChristmas

 

My opinion?

I think every myth of creation should be taught. Its important to talk about our history as a race and what different cultures have kept on record throughout the year.

Evolution is all that is taught, like its a fact.

Another good idea.

I am pro-evolution. We can see adaptions animals make to survive in a new environment, which is the basis of evolution. That basis of evolution can go deeper to explain more. I do think we have evolved, Adam and Eve being the final evolution of the human body we see today.

reply to post by DelayedChristmas

Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
This is my proposition:
Teach the major religions: Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc.
Teach the history of each religion. Teach how it came to be. Teach what they accept as truth and why and how that acceptance came to be. Teach from the perspective of outside looking in.

That's pretty much how religious education works in Northern Germany (education is regulated by the individual Federal States in Germany).
You can still apply to be exempted from the class and sign up for a class called "values and norms" instead.

Works great, ensures a secular culture of coexistence and religious freedom at the same time (religion is considered a "private matter" in Germany).

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by DelayedChristmas

 

Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
This is my proposition:
Teach the major religions: Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, etc.
Teach the history of each religion. Teach how it came to be. Teach what they accept as truth and why and how that acceptance came to be. Teach from the perspective of outside looking in.

That's pretty much how religious education works in Northern Germany (education is regulated by the individual Federal States in Germany).
You can still apply to be exempted from the class and sign up for a class called "values and norms" instead.

Works great, ensures a secular culture of coexistence and religious freedom at the same time (religion is considered a "private matter" in Germany).

edit on 19-12-2012 by ColCurious because: (no reason given)

What a great system. Mind if you can marry me and let me claim German citizenship? Jests aside, good to see education is ran by the individual states, the way it should be in America.

reply to post by DelayedChristmas

Well, thank you.
There are also advantages in the U.S. federal system compared to ours though.

Opposed to our federal structure (cooperative federalism, which entails direct financial cooperation and transfairs between states) the US federal structure is competitive federalism, which is much more favourable IMO (from a fiscal conservative point of view).

The key is one word, and one letter: "about" and "s"

They should teach ABOUT different religionS in schools... Not have a "christian class." That's what private schools are for. Can't afford a private school? Bring that up with your religion.