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Geeze how random are you. What video?
Every time you reply with GMO you are showing you have no answer and refuse to admit it.
Nope it just goes to show that you never watched the video, therefore you don't understand it. It's still accurate and the best answer.
The hell you didn’t THIS POST
You claim the diversity we see is explained by 'God/aliens used recycled parts'. A more educated person than you would say that god/aliens modified their genes. Diversity = ALL life
Well first off I never claimed recycled parts that was YOUR claim, but you tend to get your claims mixed up with mine.
I did get it right, see it in the capitals you used. Another barefaced lie you have been caught in. So now answer my point and try using an honest reply this time.
I never used the claim spare parts, thats your take on it. What I said was they could have used RECYCLED parts, there is a difference you know, get it right man.
Nope. You’re failing badly and lying poorly. You claim all organic life has been programmed. All organic life has been designed and recycled parts used to create diversity. That is GMO
Your failing to realize the discrepencies in our genome that clearly tell a different picture.
I think the last two posts have blown your fantasy and the delusions you base it on wide open including the dishonest approach you use to protect it.
Hanging on to a fantasy is YOUR delimma, not mine.
Child let’s see how you answer the whole question
I have not assumed anything that is your failing. Everything is food for something else. You claim that ALL life was transported to earth. ALL ORGANIC LIFE.
I could be wrong but this looks accurate.
Then you accept the planet is not natural so nothing on it can be natural.
This planet according to you must have been geo engineered so no part of this planet formed naturally. It was altered by the machines of your aliens so by your rules is no longer a natural planet.
And obviously a poor job was done which is why we are headed for the 6th largest mass extinction.
Your comment has no bearing. You agree that any process that involves machines is not natural and anything that results from it not natural.
No organic life on the earth originates from this planet and was brought here by machines so nothing is natural.
to the planet, correct, but not necessiarly to each other
Thanks for agreeing. Machines were involved in forming this planet. Machines were involved in populating this planet with life. No life here is natural and by your rules target food does not exist.
Your golden rule. No artificial processes or tools and machinery can be part of target food. The above shows target food cannot exist by your own rules. Target food fails.
Machines are not natural, if they were, they would grow on their own in the wild.
Is that so? So I take it then when man plants crops no matter how he planted them they can produce natural food. If you claim otherwise then your statement above is false and target food fails
Well someone would have had to of planeted them. This proves to you that its an unnatural move. After the plants are planted, they can produce natural food.
I already explained the processes for cultivation. A geo engineered planet. All life taken from one planet transported by machines to an artificial planet. Your woofle trees would have to be planted by aliens (that includes man) and cultivated
Depends on the process for clultivating.
It does not matter. Each life form would not be natural. Crops are not the only things that grow or are food you know. You even say organic life was transported here from many places. How natural is that?
Nope. As soon as anything was taken from where it originated anywhere else it is placed can only be considered artificial. Not natural.
To its location, not necessarily the other life.
So not on GMO now Still no matter the environment was formed artificially using machines. Nothing natural about that. Your rules say target food cannot exist.
Depends on the enviroment.
Problem is a creator or imposter they both are creators and according to you they programmed life, made something called intended food and designed the diversity we see using recycled parts. That is a description of GMO. So all life is GMO, nothing is natural including the planet. Target food does not exist.
That depends on if they were created by the original creator or an imposter.
You have already agreed that the environment is artificial. It cannot have a natural element. What you have not done is explain how a species that is not natural use natural means to do things.
Tell me how a species that is not natural to this planet can use natural means to do things.
Easy, their enviroment has natural elements.
You cannot explain what instinct means. I have already shown you that ants learn to farm and shown they use pesticides on their crops. Explained that the mandibles they use to farm are also used to perform every other function they perform just like our hands. It’s not me that’s dishonest it is you cannot accept anything that challenges your failed homebrewed religion.
How can you be so dishonest. Ants have a NATURAL ability and instinct to farm. HUMANS had to be taught to farm and then we have to make tools to farm. Look at how dishonest you are.
Explain instinctive if you are going to insist on using it as so far you have used it incorrectly every time. The rest of your drivel has been debunked many times go back and read what you denied then
There is a big difference between using instinctive qualitiys and adapting around a burdended problem.
Not true, target food could be moved to the same place as a species, then the species would have its target food.
Nothing is from this planet. Nothing by you rules can be called natural. No such thing as target food
Natural to earth but possibly so to each other.
You claimed anything that man does is not natural because he is not from here. Now you tell us nothing is from here that means nothing else can be natural either. Your rules. You made them. Now you live with them
I haven't lied about anything colin, you just can't stand the fact that your wrong so you try to spin things in your direction.
What a cheap attempt at deflection. You were shown to be a liar end of.
If its natural to something that was also brought here, why not.
Changes nothing though. That statement from the bible saying nothing is from here is enough to prove nothing on this planet is natural to this planet and your observations have lead you to conclude anything that is not natural cannot be target food.
There is evidence on the contrary. sea weed or kelp to the abalone is a good one.
Hence there is no such thing as target food.
I never said that target food has to be from earth.
That’s right. Nothing can be natural and target food fails
I probably did say that but you have taken it out of context. I only meant that we treat all other life as if they are native.
You told everyone that man was the only one not from here. You claimed that meant nothing man did was natural. Now after a year you admit that nothing is from here and the bible backs you, so all that year you have been lying. Then not satisfied you begin the same spill on a new thread. I am confident you are a massive liar.
Target food is the ONLY way a planet can survive in a healthy way, so no, your wrong.
Pretty natural is not natural. Target food fails
Who knows.
I asked you how did they moved all the organic life here not who moved it here.
According to the bible god would have.
Nope. It is definitely not natural 100% when applying your rules and your criteria.
Again you have not answered my question. WHO PLANTED THE WOOFLE TREE AFTER IT WAS TRANSPORTED HERE FROM ANOTHER PLANET.
When target food fails, so does all life.
Target food must grow naturally. Being transported between planets is not natural unless target food also has interstellar propulsion that grow naturally. Growing on an artificial planet that is no more than a huge zoo or farm is not natural. Target food fails
Target food exists on all planets, not just earth.
Again you call me a liar and then make up the lie I am meant to have wrote. Your deflection from my question fails again.
Remember ALL organic life was brought here. You claimed nothing more than bacteria was here. So the more you deny the sillier you look. Whatever has become extinct was not natural anyway by your rules and criteria and could not have been target food
Hard to say, I guess it depends on how it all got planted and I dont know, I wasn't there.
Food that is grown that involves process that are not natural cannot be target food. Preparing an artificial planet is enough on its own. Transporting it from one planet to an artificial planet is enough on its own. More than enough reasons according to your rules to say. It cannot be target food.
Target food applies to a consumer/food relationship not a planet/food relationship.
Nope you lack honesty. Target food is based on your fantasy and I have given you enough reason using your rules and your criteria to show that.
The fact that you still refuse to admit target food cannot exist using your rules and your criteria exposes your incredulity.
Target food has to exist otherwise random food illness and health problems are suppose to be part of the picture and thats not the case. If something was smart enough to create human life and animal life, don't you think they would have also of been smart enough to also create food for these creations?
Nope. Your rules and your criteria leaves no doubt that target food is not scarce. It does not exist anywhere else than in your head. A childish fantasy
Talking about dishonesty you have merged two seperate posts again. No wonder you get no respect.
In his image can mean several things.
Claiming that the god of the bible you continually use did not create everything is hardly a misunderstanding or a failed translation. It is the fundamental foundation the rest of the bible is based on.
So you have proof god did create us? Despite the fact that we are a GMO, WHO DID IT?
If your interpretation is that wrong then everything else you claim the bible says cannot be relied on in any way shape or form.
There is nothing deluded about cautioned awarness.
This exposes how deluded and how far into denial your really are.
So you find it convincing, good.
Pal there is no question in your case. You are so blinded by your homebrewed religion you obviously cannot see, read or hear anything that opposes it and make up any lie to protect it and convince yourself it is the truth
That is accurate, genesis, is NOT an accurate understanding of whats suppose to be a creation, its totally an abduction scenerio, and what a coincedence, aliens abduct people. Anyhow it is still possible that we were created, just not at this point in the bible, there is more evidence that points to that fact being wrong then anything else.
What are you trying to do? If you are trying to steer this conversation elsewhere it won’t work but I think you have a very, very deep seated problem and you should find help, even an exorcist.
And again you merge another separate post when I asked you not too. Mate your dishonesty goes beyond words.
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by flyingfish
That evolved slowly over time LOL, there is no proof that anything can evolve over time. Your dumbing people down.
We are all primates and carry the evidence in our genome.
You can buy a DNA spit kit for $99 from www.23andme.com... a personalized genomics company in Mountain View, Calif. This test will confirm if there is Neanderthal in your family tree. It is now clear through DNA testing that early modern humans, Neanderthals, and other archaic people all belonged to a single, worldwide species of human that evolved slowly over time, with these different populations mixing and mating over time to produce Homo sapiens.
A Draft Sequence of the Neandertal Genome
I allready know how, its the guess work of the parts that can't be proven.
Evolution is nothing more that a bunch of meandering theories that are filled with hypothesis everywhere.
No one has ever proven to me how I share a common ancestor with apes, so I don't understand how you can assume its a fact. It might be an over documentated theory that is preached and worshiped by those that have to much time on their hands and willing to believe anything, intervention is not this way. Everything in intervention is redundantly backed up.
This came from wiki speciation, so I guess they don't know either.
Sure if you assume that coincidence proves relation.
How do you think I could be arguing about them without reading them.
Why would their be all the talk in the bible about other planets and how earth is not our home while god alegedly made it all? It appears to be more of meaning taken out of context and not meant the way we are taking it.
You lack perspective, and fail to realize that Target Food is based on the consumer, not the planet you live on.
Humans are a product of intelligent design,, and there is no way around that. There is to much proof that life had to be created at some point, and to many questions about the diversity of life through evolution. Evoluton still doesn't explain how it all got started.
There is no double standard here, there is an abundance of proof all around us that life was created. I could even go as far to say that since all this life shares the same DNA that it was all probably created by the same person. One step further I could tell you that whoever has made all of this life, has an obvious love for life.
If all of this life did come from other planets, its apparen't that the same creator is responsible for setting up all the planets.
Not true, target food could be moved to the same place as a species, then the species would have its target food.
I haven't lied about anything colin, you just can't stand the fact that your wrong so you try to spin things in your direction.
When target food fails, so does all life.
Target food exists on all planets, not just earth.
Target food applies to a consumer/food relationship not a planet/food relationship.
This is why this stupid target food needs to be crushed once and for all.
Originally posted by flyingfish
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by flyingfish
That evolved slowly over time LOL, there is no proof that anything can evolve over time. Your dumbing people down.
We are all primates and carry the evidence in our genome.
You can buy a DNA spit kit for $99 from www.23andme.com... a personalized genomics company in Mountain View, Calif. This test will confirm if there is Neanderthal in your family tree. It is now clear through DNA testing that early modern humans, Neanderthals, and other archaic people all belonged to a single, worldwide species of human that evolved slowly over time, with these different populations mixing and mating over time to produce Homo sapiens.
A Draft Sequence of the Neandertal Genome
Seriously...trying to reflect yourself. I know you are but what am I...What ever you say bounces of me and sticks on you!
I don't know how many users are on the tooth account but one or two have the maturity of a six year old.
FYI I was posting for the readers, not trolling for your over the top ignorance.edit on 29-1-2013 by flyingfish because: (no reason given)
Not if you follow your own rules. Producing target food there must be no extra processes. No artificial processes. No tools or machinery. Everything must fit your version of natural.
Not true, target food could be moved to the same place as a species, then the species would have its target food.
One rule I will not allow you to apply is the one that says you can change anything you have previously labelled fact to suit your current lie.
You claimed anything that man does is not natural because he is not from here. Now you tell us nothing is from here that means nothing else can be natural either. Your rules. You made them. Now you live with them
Natural to earth but possibly so to each other.
How many times do you need this explained?
If its natural to something that was also brought here, why not.
Seaweed, kelp the abalone everything is alien to this artificially constructed world. Apply your rules and if you have any shred of honesty you cannot classify anything as target food. By your rules it does not exist
There is evidence on the contrary. sea weed or kelp to the abalone is a good one
See the rules you made up above
I never said that target food has to be from earth.
Nope you said it many times. Don’t try to hide behind the word context, you don’t understand it.
You told everyone that man was the only one not from here. You claimed that meant nothing man did was natural. Now after a year you admit that nothing is from here and the bible backs you, so all that year you have been lying. Then not satisfied you begin the same spill on a new thread. I am confident you are a massive liar.
I probably did say that but you have taken it out of context. I only meant that we treat all other life as if they are native.
That is obviously false because there is no such thing as target food. Your rules prove that
Target food is the ONLY way a planet can survive in a healthy way, so no, your wrong.
So your bible tells you they need lots of help but not how they transported it. You’re too frightened to answer as it can only be by machines.
I asked you how did they moved all the organic life here not who moved it here.
Who knows.
What has the bible or god got to do with your scenario involving woofle trees? Again you avoid the answer because there is only one you can give and that would mean by your rules and criteria the woofle tree would not be called target food. Very you. Very dishonest
According to the bible god would have.
Target food does not exist, shown over many pages using your rules and criteria. Your statement is false
When target food fails, so does all life.
You don’t know what exists on other planets. What we do know is that it cannot exist on earth. Your rules say so.
Target food exists on all planets, not just earth.
According to you it depends, on the processes used and as I have explained many times now target food is ruled out by your rules. See all the posts that precede this.
Hard to say, I guess it depends on how it all got planted and I dont know, I wasn't there.
Nope. See list above.
Target food applies to a consumer/food relationship not a planet/food relationship.
Or illness is just part of life which is what we see. Perhaps you could consider that things are not pre determined and not supposed to be. Just a thought
Target food has to exist otherwise random food illness and health problems are suppose to be part of the picture and thats not the case.
That’s a problem you need to face. Target food is not the answer as it does not exist. Your criteria and rules show this clearly.
If something was smart enough to create human life and animal life, don't you think they would have also of been smart enough to also create food for these creations?
That does not explain how your understanding of the fundamental premise the bible is based on could be so wrong. Address that.
Claiming that the god of the bible you continually use did not create everything is hardly a misunderstanding or a failed translation. It is the fundamental foundation the rest of the bible is based on.
In his image can mean several things.
Another flip flop? Which version of tooth am I talking to now? The one that wrote no life was created or the one that wrote the rant about god the creator.
If your interpretation is that wrong then everything else you claim the bible says cannot be relied on in any way shape or form.
So you have proof god did create us? Despite the fact that we are a GMO, WHO DID IT?
There is more evidence that supports the idea that we were created. If we were created in his image, that could mean many different things. There is more reason to believe we were created then all of the tripe presented by evolutionists.
Nope as I have told you many times I find it pathetic
So you find it convincing, good.
So the bibles number one story is not accurate? How can you claim the bible is a clear historical document when the story at its foundation is, according to you NOT an accurate understanding?
That is accurate, genesis, is NOT an accurate understanding of whats suppose to be a creation, its totally an abduction scenerio, and what a coincedence, aliens abduct people.
So you now claim the bible is far from a clear historical document? Put the other tooth on as you make even less sense than the other one.
Anyhow it is still possible that we were created, just not at this point in the bible, there is more evidence that points to that fact being wrong then anything else.
But Adam and Eve is part of the story you now claim as inaccurate. You make it sound like they never really existed so the tripe above is meaningless. BTW according to your bible Adam and Eve were not born or is that wrong as well?
The only way that Adam and Eve could have had a prior memory of being embarrased, is if they actually had a prior memory, which is an obvious clue that this was NOT their birth.
Why the video by Lloyd Pye on human genetics, it explains it all.
Geeze how random are you. What video?
You are correct, I thought you were putting words in my mouth like you do from time to time.
The hell you didn’t THIS POST
No, only humans are GMO's because of what was found in our DNA that isn't found in other life, again shame on you for not watching the video.
I did get it right, see it in the capitals you used. Another barefaced lie you have been caught in. So now answer my point and try using an honest reply this time.
'You claim the diversity we see is explained by 'God/aliens used recycled parts'. A more educated person than you would say that god/aliens modified their genes. Diversity = ALL life'
Now I see where your getting confused. There are two types of creators, there is the grand master creator that probably made all this life, then there is the imposter like the one that claims he made us from dirt. However the imposter did have mad DNA skills but he left his sloppy traces of his work in our very own DNA.
Nope. You’re failing badly and lying poorly. You claim all organic life has been programmed. All organic life has been designed and recycled parts used to create diversity. That is GMO
In contrast to the planet, no, but you have to remember that enviroments could have been brought here as well.
Then you accept the planet is not natural so nothing on it can be natural
Just because aliens brought plants here doesn't mean they can't grow naturally in the ground.
Your comment has no bearing. You agree that any process that involves machines is not natural and anything that results from it not natural.
That depends on whether or not their food was brought here with them. They eat the food not the planet.
Thanks for agreeing. Machines were involved in forming this planet. Machines were involved in populating this planet with life. No life here is natural and by your rules target food does not exist.
Humans planting plants for food is not a natural process, but the process can yeild natural food.
Is that so? So I take it then when man plants crops no matter how he planted them they can produce natural food. If you claim otherwise then your statement above is false and target food fails
The process of transporting is not natural.
It does not matter. Each life form would not be natural. Crops are not the only things that grow or are food you know. You even say organic life was transported here from many places. How natural is that?
Of course Target food can exist, the relationship is between the food and the consumer not the planet and the consumer.
So not on GMO now Still no matter the environment was formed artificially using machines. Nothing natural about that. Your rules say target food cannot exist.
Wrong again, the original creator would not place defects in our genes and do sloppy work to the point that we would be able to be identified as a GMO.
Problem is a creator or imposter they both are creators and according to you they programmed life, made something called intended food and designed the diversity we see using recycled parts. That is a description of GMO. So all life is GMO, nothing is natural including the planet. Target food does not exist
Of course it can, lets say that all dirt was brought here, in that case thats an element.
You have already agreed that the environment is artificial. It cannot have a natural element. What you have not done is explain how a species that is not natural use natural means to do things.
Really, who taught them?
You cannot explain what instinct means. I have already shown you that ants learn to farm and shown they use pesticides on their crops.
So were they taught or did they adapt?
Explained that the mandibles they use to farm are also used to perform every other function they perform just like our hands. It’s not me that’s dishonest it is you cannot accept anything that challenges your failed homebrewed religion.
Explain instinctive if you are going to insist on using it as so far you have used it incorrectly every time. The rest of your drivel has been debunked many times go back and read what you denied then
in·stinc·tive
/inˈstiNG(k)tiv/Adjective
1.Relating to or prompted by instinct; apparently unconscious or automatic: "an instinctive distaste for conflict".
2.(of a person) Doing or being a specified thing apparently naturally or automatically: "an instinctive writer".
Explain instinctive if you are going to insist on using it as so far you have used it incorrectly every time. The rest of your drivel has been debunked many times go back and read what you denied then
in·stinc·tive
/inˈstiNG(k)tiv/Adjective
1.Relating to or prompted by instinct; apparently unconscious or automatic: "an instinctive distaste for conflict".
2.(of a person) Doing or being a specified thing apparently naturally or automatically: "an instinctive writer".
Synonyms
innate