Obama 'backs assault weapons ban'

Originally posted by SaltireWarrior
reply to post by fictitious

 

Ah so people carry guns out of a kind of "fear" ... So could it not be argued that lessening the number of guns in circulation would mean leans guns in peoples possession which would mean less people carrying guns resulting in less death?

Love that quote in your signanture.

I don't agree with your logic. I am a woman, and a strange looking man instills just as much fear in me, if not more, than someone potentially open firing in a crowd. I'm not a big, strong person, so it makes sense for me to protect myself from whatever. I could use it in countless situations where another gun is not present. I would still carry, regardless of how many guns were in circulation.

And thanks

Why does everyone seem to ignore the "well regulated milita" part of the 2nd amendment?

Do we have legitmate militias that aren't demonized and looked down upon by the government?

Oh, I guess that's supposed to be the "National Guard" -- which pretty much does whatever the Federal Government says. And no, to my knowledge a Guardsman cannot take his issued weapons home with him.

I believe that what the founding fathers meant in the 2nd amendment was that people need to be able to own guns, so that when the town bell rings they can "avengers assemble!" and fight off an agressor.

Do we live in colonial 1700 American anymore?

Look, I'm for people responsibly owning guns. I don't think guns are a problem -- I think we need to take a good, hard and long look at our societial structure.

We have the technology to require all new guns to have a fingerprint trigger. Someone said, "Yeah, well, you can always cut off a finger." OK, true. I saw a commercial yesterday for a Cabella's video game in which a plastic toy gun can read your heartrate. Combine both technologies! Have the gun tied to your fingerprint, and only if there is a live heartbeat as well!

We have the technology at our disposal as we move forward -- we can't change the fact that there are unregistered and stolen guns out there. Having said that, we CAN however use all this awesome new technology!

I have no problem with this ban on assault weapons, no problem at all.. I just have my doubts on what exactly it's going to prevent.

He could have easily gone into the school with just hand guns and killed just as many people.

The issue we have in this country ( and in the world, if you look at the China knife assault in a school recently ) .. the problem isn't the weapons as much as it is the people.. These are people who have issues and they need help .. There are others out there like them that are ticking time bombs I'm SURE .. We need to do a better job of identifying those people and getting them help before they melt down.. We have to take better care of our own.. no amount of gun control on the planet is going to prevent someone who has a psychotic melt down from going on a violent rampage.. they will find a weapon if they want it bad enough..

Originally posted by FissionSurplus

Originally posted by fictitious

Originally posted by SaltireWarrior
We have grown up in 2 very different cultures. I can't understand Americas love of guns, you guys can't understand our hatred of them.

Honest question, how do you guys feel safe walking down the street knowing that some guy could have an assault rifle and snap at any moment? Like seriously, how do you feel safe?

I feel safe because I have the right to carry a handgun, and I always do.

Yeah it may not hold as many rounds, but I certainly have more of a "chance" than the next guy with a hatred/fear of guns who doesn't carry one himself.

edit on 18-12-2012 by fictitious because: (no reason given)

Amen, sister. I don't carry a weapon, but I feel very safe here in Texas, because a lot of law-abiding people do.

As far as somebody walking around carrying an assault rifle, I think it would be pretty obvious what was in his hands.

Out here in west Texas, even the old ladies carry handguns, and they know how to use them, too. I feel much safer out here than I would in say, California or New York.

Maybe it's because we are in Texas and have a different mentality about guns, but I definitely feel safer too here. First of all, I'm not one for crowds, but when I am in one, I know that several good people here are most likely carrying a gun. I also believe that most people are inherently good, so I say that more people should be armed. It's sad that other states don't have this mentality. I grew up around guns, respected them, didn't dare touch one without permission as a kid, and was taught gun safety early on. It's funny how that used to be the norm back in the day, and low and behold...less accidents. Same goes for driving a car. I learned how to drive at 11...never had a wreck or a ticket.

Education early on in the key. Not glorification through video games and TV.

Originally posted by fictitious


Education early on in the key. Not glorification through video games and TV.

Education will help gun related accidents and things of that nature.. but no amount of education ( or gun control ) will prevent psychotic people from committing violent acts.. That's where I think we have to be more proactive about identifying people in need of help and not ignore them before they explode..

CCWs are issued to responsible owners of guns.
they carry these weapons as much from DUTY as from any fears....
the responsible CCWs are living the constitutional freedoms and rights as well as performing the DUTY of some citizens to be armed and prepared for such tradgedies....which happen regardless of weapons bans or laws to the contrary....
If we dont have the right to be secure about our person we are truely slaves, and sitting ducks for oppressors of all types......
The fact that these events are NOT committed by legal gun owners should give some pause for thought as to who is being punished and for what?

reply to post by MystikMushroom


in my experience they tend to ignore it because they think that no group of citizenry any where let alone in the united states is capable of using said weapons to overthrow a tyrannical government,despite the fact that right now people in the middle east are doing just that (Syria,Libya) that the Palestinians attempt to get their land back by using various weapons most of them the "battlefield" variety.even in cases where the citizens were armed and did loose they still played a far bigger portion in battles then alot of people (mostly the attacking countries) look at the snipers from Chechnya who were getting pretty high rates of attrition against the Russians with .22 rifles.Or the few ones that were won by mostly militia or militia that aided regulars like what happened in our own American revolution and a huge portion of the reason we were eventually driven out of Vietnam by a bunch of irregulars.

also the thing people seem to forget that since the Arab spring a general global precedent was set that yes you can shoot your own people but if you use tanks,jets,helicopters,missiles and other advanced methods to do so you will attract the attention and condemnation of the international community.So that is why when i hear people say your guns will do nothing against jets and tanks and drones i tend to chuckle and think if they are using drones and tanks and fighter bombers on us they have already lost.

and just as an added point how would a finger print scanner prevent some one who wants to shoot people like lazada did in ct? wouldnt the finger print part of the firearm make it so if you took the shooters gun you could not shoot him? finger print scanners for cops might be a good idea as they often get their weapons taken and used on them so for that i can see it but i dont see how making a gun only work for one person?

and what will banning assault weapons do in the case of another shooting like this ? the guy could have shown up with a single shot 12 gauge or a revolver and managed to shoot that many CHILDREN as they are not really able to disarm an attacker at kindergarten age.

more laws arent the answer more attention to mental health is and enforcing the laws we already have on the books,you want gun control laws gun owners will agree to make it harder for crazies to get guns and leave the lawful gun owners out of it

OH and by the way.........

They say they just want to ban assault riffles...........NONE of the shootings have been doen with assault rifles........

assault rifles are fully automatic......one trigger pull............and an empty mag.......

again the claim they are making will just attack any gun owner who owns anything thats modified to look like an assault rifle

That should prove that this whole going after assault rifles is nothing less then a gun grab and segway , to take all of our firearms........

common sense and logic people

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by fictitious


Education early on in the key. Not glorification through video games and TV.

Education will help gun related accidents and things of that nature.. but no amount of education ( or gun control ) will prevent psychotic people from committing violent acts.. That's where I think we have to be more proactive about identifying people in need of help and not ignore them before they explode..

I partly agree with you. Don't you think that even psychotic people are able to have more respect for weapons if they are taught more about them in real life and not just on tv or through video games as a young child? It's like it's more tangible. They aren't just "a game".

Also, being proactive about identifying people who need mental help is certainly already happening. Every year we see a huge leap in the amount of prescription drugs given to people for their "mental health". Could it be that all the drugs being handed out like candy (not to mention in our water sources) could actually BE part of the problem...not the solution? Just a theory.

Originally posted by SaltireWarrior
We have grown up in 2 very different cultures. I can't understand Americas love of guns, you guys can't understand our hatred of them.

Honest question, how do you guys feel safe walking down the street knowing that some guy could have an assault rifle and snap at any moment? Like seriously, how do you feel safe?

How is it possible that you walk anywhere near automobiles? The driver could be drunk or pass out and kill you at any moment. Hell, a plane could fall right out of the sky and land right on you. A bum who is HIV positive, might urinate on you and pass on the virus. Honestly, how do you go through life with all the danger?

I have been on this earth over 40 years and never been shot at. I have never been threatened with a gun. And I live in AMERICA! HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?

Propaganda mixed with stupidity is a terrible brew.

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask


That is YOUR definition of an assault rifle. I know people that think any "military style" weapon is an assault rifle. Some other people I've run across think it is the calliber of the round that makes it an assault rifle.

We have a serious problem in defining what an "assault rifle" really is.

Personally, I think like you -- fully automatic and 3-round bursts. One would only need that kind of firepower to "assault" something or someone. The .223 caliber is great for hogs and I know someone personally that intends to shoot caribou with it. Perfectly reasonable.

If we are going to start putting restrictions on things, we need to define them more clearly.

reply to post by network dude


Everything you said is ridiculous and irrelevant.

I can walk around without a gun because I know no one else has a gun.

You need a gun in case someone else with a gun starts trouble.

You live in fear.

Originally posted by SaltireWarrior

You live in fear.

Sorry, who lives in fear?

Originally posted by SaltireWarrior

Honest question, how do you guys feel safe walking down the street knowing that some guy could have an assault rifle and snap at any moment? Like seriously, how do you feel safe?

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


I don't live in fear. I feel perfectly safe walking down my gun free streets.

reply to post by SaltireWarrior


You must. Otherwise you wouldnt have projected that fear onto others.

You dont know who has a gun around you. I assure you there are more guns around you than you know.

At last check there were an estimated 4 million illegal guns in the gun-free utopia of the UK.

Are you scared? If not then why should any of us be?

Originally posted by SaltireWarrior

Honest question, how do you guys feel safe walking down the street knowing that some guy could have an assault rifle and snap at any moment? Like seriously, how do you feel safe?

Because shootings arent as rampant as you guys like to make it seem it is. It's a big country and most of the Gun violence occurs in in the crappy parts of bigger cities (Ghettos for example). Im more worried about getting hit by a damn car or mauled by a dog walking along the street than I am of getting shot.

And its not just a gun that can get me. Nothing is stopping a criminal/nutjob from stabbing me or beating me with a blunt object. You know what? Kinda makes sense to have the ability to carry a weapon just in case I do get attacked by someone. I'd rather neutralize the threat with a firearm than getting into a knife fight with someone


Senator Diane Feinstein has a Concealed weapons permit so people like her can protect themselves... But that cow thinks I shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm to protect myself. Makes me sick.

As for the assault rifle argument... The 2nd amendment isn't about hunting and sporting. Its meant as a deterrence and protection from foreign invasion, my government turning tyrannical on its people, or just the poor fella that decided to break into my house

I'd also like to quote rock427 from www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by rock427

Originally posted by Alfie1

You are just repeating your error. There is no country in the world with private gun ownership like the US.

This is true, there is an estimated 270 million guns in circulation in the US alone. (89 per 100 people) But, the US is not number one in terms of deaths by firearms. This seems to be completely counter intuitive to what a lot of you people think.

en.wikipedia.org...

It should be noted that the above death statistics also include suicides by firearm into the final death tally. According to the CDC, only 36% of all firearm deaths are attributed to actual "murders". But even those numbers do not tell the whole story. For instance, home owner self defense and cops shooting and killing criminals are lumped in with those statistics. So in reality, the numbers can be quite misleading. Even then, actual recorded deaths by firearm are dropping year on year (as is crime around the US in general).

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www.justfacts.com... found this in another thread and am still reading through it but it seems to be pretty credible and far more informative then i could have imagined for those that want to see statistics we often aren't told check it out

Originally posted by SaltireWarrior
reply to post by network dude

 

Everything you said is ridiculous and irrelevant.

I can walk around without a gun because I know no one else has a gun.

You need a gun in case someone else with a gun starts trouble.

You live in fear.

I'll tell you like this, I know that at least 20% of the people I encounter have a weapon on them at the time I see them. I also know that most of them have a CCW permit and know how to safely use that weapon. As I said, I have never been on the wrong end of a gun so I don't have any fear at all. You on the other hand, don't know who had a gun, and if anyone does, it's 100% illegal and most likely, they do not have much experience with gun safety as that is illegal as well. ( if they practiced with it, they would go to jail)

So in conclusion, you have a much better chance of being hurt or killed by any number of things than I do of being gunned down. Please check the stats on any and all of the things I mentioned. Check out plane crashes, car crashes, drunk drivers, drunk walkers, drunk bike riders, all of that. Once you have diligently researched how those numbers add up, you will stop with your silly rant.

Beware of the pothole. They can be deadly!

These are not needed for hunting.

For crying out loud any gun can be used for hunting and as said by many others people who call what passes for civilian guns as "assault weapons" know nothing about firearms and that especially means politicians.

But then agian they had no problem giving "assault weapons" to Mexican drug cartels which brings us to guns are only bad if the kill Americans anyone else who cares.