Israeli death squads involved in Sandy Hook bloodbath

The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with 223 (rifle) casings. However, Adam Lanza was found dead at the school with only handguns - a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. Then he could not have possibly been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did then?

According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother’s ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan - whom officials say is very cooperative - claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft?

I wonder how they are going to explain these two things?

Originally posted by Tardacus

The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with 223 (rifle) casings. However, Adam Lanza was found dead at the school with only handguns - a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. Then he could not have possibly been firing the rifle, and could not have committed the murders. Who did then?

According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother’s ID, and it was not stolen. However, older brother Ryan - whom officials say is very cooperative - claims not to have even seen his brother since 2010. Where would Adam get this ID? And why does such use not qualify as a theft?

I wonder how they are going to explain these two things?

They won't have to. They'll just change the report and silence the ME. Then they'll claim he was misquoted. This stinks and we all know it.

I Dont buy the israeli thing at all, I would imagine that if they wanted to attack the US, they would make some attempt to make it look like a Palestinian action.

Ok some possible plausable answers to the questions raised by the OP...

"According to the official story, Adam Lanza was found with his older brother’s ID, and it was not stolen." Possible the ID in question was an expired one, or one kept in his mother's house for safe keeping?

"According to the official story, Adam Lanza was wearing a black outfit with a mask and bulletproof vest. Why would he want to hide his identity, and why would he wear a bulletproof vest if he planned to kill himself?"

If Laza was acting out a combat fantasy, its reasonable to assume that he would dress accordingly, not that it should be possible to decipher a troubled mind so easily. SF teams typically dress in combat gear and cover their faces, for protection, you cant assume that because his face was covered he was trying to hide his identity.

"The medical examiner asserts that all wounds were caused by a rifle or other long weapon, and police/FBI say that the school was littered with 223 (rifle) casings. However, Adam Lanza was found dead at the school with only handguns - a rifle was found in the trunk of his car. "
This is the biggestest descrepency as faras I can see, as we actually have footage of the cops retrieving the rifle from the trunk of the car. The reports state that the mother was in posession of 5 firearms, its possible that the one in the trunk was not the one used in the attack.

"According to the official story, the killings was tightly confined to two classrooms. Then why were so many children told to close their eyes while leaving the building?"

The place was crawling with heavily armed cops and swat teams by that time. Its reasonable to expect that the sight of a large group of armed men might have an unsettling effect on young children who had just been the victims of an attack. If I was there charged with escorting the kids out of the building I'd like to think that I would encourage them to do the same.

"A child asserts that he/she heard someone say, “Put your hands up,” followed by the reply, “Don’t shoot.” This indicates that the police took a suspect into custody inside the school. But if that was Adam Lanza, how did he kill himself after that point? "

This is a big asumption, it possible that the person being challenged was another law enforcement officer in plain clothes.

"Another child asserts that he/she saw a man pinned down to the ground with handcuffs on. Again, this indicates that the police took a suspect into custody. If that was Adam Lanza, how did he then kill himself? "

The SOP in these circumstances are to treat all unknown people on the scene as suspects until they can be proven otherwise, its possible that the guy on the ground was another teacher, or an innocent bystander, and that the officers rendered him safe before they established that he was OK. After the SAS raid on the Iraian embassay in London, all the hostages were handcuffed and detained as they left the bulding to ensure that none of the perps could sneak away.

"Is it reasonable for a geeky 20-year-old to carry two pistols and hundreds of rounds of ammunition while wearing a bulletproof vest and a mask?"
In a word yes. Hi cap magazines, combat clothing would make this easy.

"Why did a police officer specifically mention on radio that “they’re coming at me through this wood” followed by a fellow officer saying, “This is it”?"

Again the law enforcement officers were converging on the scene from any and all directions, I'd buy it more if he had said, "The Israeli death squad is attacking me from the wood" Its more Likely IMO that the officer may have been confused about who and what he was seeing approaching the scene from the woods.

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MSM should not be trusted . This time too , they are chiming in with the lone gunman version of the story, eliminating any mention of other gunmen from its coverage of the tragic event ... You can read my article regarding this Media coverup from this Link : www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
This Michael Harris,?

Now I get the picture.

Thar he blows! Neo-Nazi J.T. Ready spouts off, as Republican Mike Harris looks on
blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com...

Good Catch!! Harris is a dirt ball and so was JT Ready who committed multiple murders before taking his own miserable life.

This blame the Israelis is pure hogwash and empty speculation...They also caused Superstorm Sandy to tie into Sandy Hook...

If this is a conspiracy, the psychology of "how dare you question things when the blood of innocent children is on the ground" goes a long way to shut people up.

Although this is a horrific incident, just like the "Batman" shootings, it is important to question the official story if there are serious discrepancies in it, while everything is still fresh. That is what good detectives do. Letting over-the-top emotionalism and sadness cloud our ability to look at things intelligently is exactly what would allow perpetrators to get away with it, if there are any still running around free.

We do no justice to the slain children by burying our heads in our hands and refusing to look at the holes in the official story.

The man who makes the Israeli assertions hasn't given any solid leads to point to Israel's direction, only his assumption as to why such a massacre would have taken place. It is just as likely to assume that the US government itself could be capable of such a sick act, in their zeal to have the second amendment gutted.

If there is a conspiracy here, it is important to look at all the facts coldly and logically. Otherwise, we would be guilty of letting the true killers of these children go free.

I had hoped that more on ATS would look at this whole case as it is, and leave the emotionalism and tears out of it. We cannot deny ignorance if our thinking is muddied up.

Did Israel do it? I can't say that the accuser has given me any proof whatsoever. Was there some conspiracy about this shooting, so sick and twisted that it boggles the mind? Potentially. Those who can, let's look at the facts and examine it closer. Those who can't, go back to your emotional fog.

I was wondering how many NUT JOBS would come out after this tragedy in connecticut.
I give this one third place!
Simple come here to Connecticut and ask the first responders yourself!

Palestinian school children were deliberately targeted and murdered during the Gaza War of 2008.

Is Harris right? Would Israel order the deaths of twenty tiny children to make a political point? Have they done this before? Is Harris right about that too? Moments ago, Harris phoned me. I asked him if, hours later, he was still willing to back up his statements. His answer was simple: “You murder children as part of ‘business as usual,’ you shouldn’t be surprised that when children are murdered, people look to you.”

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At 11:30 am on December 27, 2008, Israel launched the campaign titled Operation Cast Lead. It began with an opening wave of airstrikes in which F-16 fighter jets and AH-64 Apache attack helicopters simultaneously struck 100 preplanned targets within a span of 220 seconds. There was a 95% success rate with zero misses in the opening attack according to the Israeli Air Force. Thirty minutes later, a second wave of 60 jets and helicopters struck at an additional 60 targets.

At least 225-230 Palestinians were killed, most of them Hamas security officers, and more than 700 injured on the first day of air strikes. Civilians, including children, were among the casualties. Human rights groups critically note that the attacks began around the time children were leaving school. The Israeli attack was the deadliest one-day death toll in 60 years of conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians, a day that was called the Massacre of Black Saturday by Palestinians in Gaza.

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I don't see a connection to Israel at all, no legitimate evidence to say they were connected to this sad event.

However something is fishy, the story is way too inconsistent

Originally posted by Bilk22

Originally posted by whatsecret
Why would Israel......? But then again why would anybody..

I don't know if Harris has a reason for saying it [besides that he really doesn't like Israel], but the media did a great job confusing the crap out of everybody with all the inconsistency.

And who owns the media? When Fox News agrees with the left, then you know something is up. Who owns Fox News? This stinks all the way around.

Shareholders like Prince Alwaleed bin Talal.

Didnt the Iranians come out first with the accusations that the Israelis were involved?

Even I have doubts about Izzy being behind it.

But one thing is certain;
Israeli's collective conscientiousness condones ending innocent lives (Gaza/Golan Heights/children) for their own gains.

There's plenty of reports of izzy using D-U/or white phos. on school-children.

What would izzy gain?

Here's one.

So George Bush is no longer responsible for all of our woes and we can go back to blaming the Jews like in the good ol' days ?
I would breathe a big sigh of relief now that we have somebody to blame , but are we sure ?

That shooter looks little alienish to me .

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But one thing is certain;
Israeli's collective conscientiousness condones ending innocent lives (Gaza/Golan Heights/children) for their own gains.

There seems to be a reason for that mindset.

The basic Talmudic doctrine includes more than a "super-race" complex. It is an "only" race concept. The non-Jew thus ranks as an animal, has no property rights and no legal rights under any code whatever. If lies, bribes or kicks are necessary to get non-Jews under control — that is legitimate. There is only one "sin," and that is anything which will frighten non-Jews and thus make it harder for the Jewish "humans" to get them under control. "Milk the Gentile," is the Talmudic rule, but don't get caught in such a way as to jeopardize Jewish interests. Summarized, Talmudism is the quintesscence of distilled hatred and discrimination — without cause, against non-Jews.

www.come-and-hear.com...-Jews_Like_An_Ass

And if I'm not mistaken, Israel is predominately Talmudic Jews.

Originally posted by UltraMarine
By Gordon Duff [Marine Vietnam veteran, a combat infantryman, and Senior Editor at Veterans Today]
Date : Tue Dec 18, 2012

Michael Harris, former Republican candidate for governor of Arizona and GOP campaign finance chairman, in an internationally televised news broadcast, said Israel killed the children in CT to teach America a lesson . He said this was a revenge against the US and President Obama .

Israel believes the US “threw them under the bus,” particularly after the recent Gaza war, allowing Israel to be humiliated in the United Nations.Their response was to stage a terror attack, targeting America in the most hideous and brutal way possible

One three star general is quoted as saying, “Harris hit the nail right on the head and it is about time someone spoke up.”

Is Harris right? Is this a terrorist attack ? Would Israel carry out such hideous act ?

Full story : Link

Was “lone gunman” Adam Lanza a “patsy,” the same word Lee Harvey Oswald used to describe himself before being “silenced” in November 1963?

edit on 18-12-2012 by UltraMarine because: (no reason given)

My question is why?
Any supposed intent to motivate this U.S. to become more involved in current and pending middle east conflicts makes no sense because if anything, this tragedy has the potential to lead to levels of internal strife that would disincline us to participation in any overseas ventures.
So if not for some type of strategic gain, then what?
Revenge?
If so, then why children?
Has anyone considered who are the parents of these poor victims?
Here's a relevant thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

(slightly off topic but to extend the argument of 'you attackked children in the past etc...)

While I'm not an advocate of Israeli tactics in past 'conflicts' the corelation between this attack and attacks on schools by the IDF in lebannon and Gaza has a plausable basis.

In most urban environments, particularly throughou the middle east but also in many densely populated areas, there are very few non-military buildings and compounds that can be secured relatively easily, provide a parade ground and assembly area for large miliatry machinery and a series of partitioned room within the same structure.

It just so happens that most schools, tend to have palying fields, assembly yards, classrooms and offices all aurrounded by walls or large fences for security that make them viable locations if you are looking for somewhere to base youre militia/rebel army etc.

They also tend to be at the heart of the community, which means artillery attacks or air raids are more open to the possibility of 'collateral damage' in a conflict.

War is hell, civil war is the worst kind fo all, if you look at what happened in Libyia and whats happening in Syria at the moment, you are likely to see that the local schools are more often than not prime targets.

However making the comparision between attacks on schools in Gaza and Lebannon and this event are like comparing influenza with ebola...

No convincing evidence of anything other than the official narritive at present.

Originally posted by thudpuddy
So George Bush is no longer responsible for all of our woes and we can go back to blaming the Jews like in the good ol' days ?
I would breathe a big sigh of relief now that we have somebody to blame , but are we sure ?

The right wing conservatives like to blame Obama for everything that's wrong in America; not the Jews.

This whole Sandy Hook incident reeks of conspiracy.

I can agree that some type of death squad was used in the Newtown shooting spree, but as for Israel Mossad being involved, well of that I am not so certain, although there are in my opinion, puzzling elements that would allow anyone to draw that suspicion.

I do not think for one second that Adam Lanza, is the lone gunman being alleged in this incident and if we have been keeping up with all the media reporting mistakes, if that's what they really are, then we need to be reminded of something that is key to helping see matters more clearly in this case.

When the shooting incident occurred, the 911 dispatch tapes, allow us to clearly hear a policeman reporting in the frantic of the moment, multiple suspects, long rifle and shotgun are specifically mentioned by this reporting policeman on the 911 dispatch tape.

The reason this is important is because, the shotgun that was supposedly found in the trunk of his mothers SUV, as the police video shows us, It is dark after sunset, they have lights on, the car is surrounded by policemen as the video cameras roll, we are shown the trunk opened and the shotgun was shown as supposedly being inside this grand trunk opening moment for all to see, so we would forget they told us that a Bushmaster 223 was initially in the trunk which the AP wire ran with earlier in the day.

The problem with this report is that it goes against the fact that a policeman reported a "shotgun and long rifle" during the 911 response to the shooting and so, one has to logically ask, how does a shotgun get reported during the 911 call if the shotgun used, gets discovered much later in the day, and after dark?

The coverup with the initial mistake about the AR-15 being found in the trunk had to be corrected in such a way that something else replaces the AR-15 found in the trunk.

By swapping the story from a AR-15 to a shotgun, the deception would have worked, had not the 911 dispatch tape prove all this to be a lie.

The coverup had to be attempted because once word became known that all of the victims had died from 223. rounds, it would have blown the case wide open to go with the story that the AR-15 was found in the trunk, for it denotes someone else other than Adam Lanza placed it there to be found since Lanza is inside the school, dead from a supposedly self inflicted pistol gun-wound.

If this was not done by the other shooter parties involved in the shooting spree, then law enforcement types internal to the investigation are changing evidence to fit the official cover story.

It is these Newtown elements of fact that we should ponder and if you want to prove that Mossad teams were involved in this blatant false flag event, then investigate who could change weapons in the trunk without anyone knowing about it or seeing it until the big Giraldo type media moment when later after dark, the big finding of the shotgun was produced for all to see so that the AR-15 found in the trunk report would go away and be forgotten as a mistake.

Can you honestly tell me that any law enforcement type is going to mistake a Shotgun for a Bushmaster AR-15? Not likely I think, but keep the time of discovery in mind for it helps show that a cover up is being conducted.

Those insiders to this coverup are perhaps Mossad, but we wont ever know for certain until someone honestly investigates how these discrepancies can exist in a truthful law enforcement investigation and or among supposedly honest law enforcement types.

In closing, I want to say that we can no longer trust the media to inform us honestly and or to honestly investigate as if they still know how to investigate real crimes and events. While this fact is already known to many, it is time we also accept, that we can no longer in many instances, trust law enforcement to honestly investigate these crimes. Investigations become clean up operations after the crime and it is more than time we ask the hard questions, whether it challenges the official story or not.

The innocent victims deserve to have the real criminals brought to justice. We the public owe them that right to justice, for until their true murders are attributed to the correct criminals, we are all in danger and the criminals gloat in their hidden evil.

This is where we are today and if the 911 dispatch fact doesn't do it for you, then there ample other evidence issues that can take its place to continue the theory that the Sandy Hook School shooting is a false flag event that has yet to go after or identify the real criminals in this case based on evidence that the 911 dispatch tapes shows us.

This further reveals that any false flag possibility, makes Adam Lanza and his Mother, murder victims in a elaborate false flag event where death, ensures they can never answer questions to the contrary of what we are told as the official story. Even the accused deserve justice and we should endeavor to find it and deal with it.

Thanks for the thread.
Respectfully
MaxBlack

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yes must be the big bad jews who do every single bad thing that goes on on the planet well the ones that America didnt do......how about his younger brother had his id so he could get beer? fake id's tend to be good for that especially when you look like your other sibling not saying the Israelis are always innocent but in this case to blame them is kinda waaaay out in left field

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There is little doubt in my mind that this latest incident and the preceding shootings are part of an organized effort to disarm not only citizens of the US but also the entire world. There is also a parallel effort to dumb down the population, and to cull the heard, sort of speaking.

This "Plot" is not merely one country or another, its global. And one organization, that of the Mossad can not be blamed entirely. You have Psychiatrists prescribing drugs that are known to cause people to become violent. You have a media that refuses to cover this fact. You have politicians who refuse to stand up for truth. And you have global secret societies who are allowed to continue in potions of power and influence.

By all accounts and logic, this can not be. But it is exactly what we see on a daily basis. The reason such a global conspiracy can not be seen is because of the nature of the hidden and secretive puppet strings that manipulate our society. Forgive me for this observation, but it appears to me, the "Gods" of old are frighten of anyone who can defend themselves, or the truth.