12/12/12 UFO Picture taken on Hong Kong flight

Originally posted by dowot
Can any one identify what aircraft they were travellin in, from the photo, and confirm that that was the type of plane used on that actual flight?

This is a really good point.

Or whether this flight actually existed???

This would be a good potential hoax indicator.

reply to post by Krusty the Klown


See the last post on the previous page. It is quite possible that this flight existed but where are the other accounts?

reply to post by fiftyfifty


You're right, for an entity that prominent, others on the flight should have seen it.

Seeing something like that on a plane is not something I would keep to myself if I was on this flight.

Wow, that was quick 50/50. So it could certainly be a photo from the plane.

Anyone able to hack into the flight manifest, then we would know who was aboard?

Agree, wait for other photos, but not holding my breath, who talks on a flight and it would probably be so fleeting that others would not have seen it?

One thing that does puzzle, every time I have traveled in the far east, window curtains/shutters/blinds are drawn within a few minutes of starting. It always annoys me that my view out is blocked. Does not even seem to be connected with extreme sunlight.

I thought that it was only at take-off and landing that it is requested that phones are turned off.

As an aside, would it be a possible theory that saucer (and cigar shaped) shaped craft are from elsewhere but the triangular ones originated from here? Governmental products.

everyones an expert debunker

yes ill take your word for it if you say

its fake/cgi its got to be

all you debunkers what you going to do if

you get to see one for yourself

poop your pants or claim its fake/cgi

Nice picture, but the sad thing is that even with so much evidence, some people still can't believe life can exist beyond earth.

reply to post by upgrader


Considering that a UFO event is a rarity there are plenty of pictures of unknown aerial objects taken with camera phones out there.

Add to this that most phones have crappy cameras.

Add to this that when a genuine picture does surface most people dismiss it as either fake or something natural.

No offense, but the "with all the camera phones out there we should have more evidence" argument is not a very good one. The best UFO pictures have mostly been taken with SLR cameras, and it's self explanatory as to why they are better pictures. How many people do you see carrying around SLR's these days? Not as many as in the past. The digital age has reduced the quality of everyday photography, and that includes pictures of UFO's.

Originally posted by Eskuma
Nice picture, but the sad thing is that even with so much evidence, some people still can't believe life can exist beyond earth.

That's not true. I think the majority are like myself. I believe without a doubt that life exists out in the cosmos. Probably even more advanced civilizations than ourselves, even more probably; lifeforms that we can't even imagine to exist given our limited scientific knowledge. What I don't believe is that they are flying around our planet in spaceships in broad daylight at airliner altitudes with no intention to make themselves known having used all the energy and resources needed to reach us. Chances are they will never discover us and we will never discover them. It would be like trying to find one particular grain of sand in the Sahara desert.

Only when I see something with my own eyes that without a shadow of a doubt is extra-terrestrial, will I believe that they have visited Earth. A photo or video is not evidence of alien visitation, it is only evidence of an unidentified object. the meaning of UFO, as you will be aware, does not mean alien.

reply to post by dankojudd


heres one you might like


looks quite good dont you think?

Originally posted by fiftyfifty

What I don't believe is that they are flying around our planet in spaceships in broad daylight at airliner altitudes with no intention to make themselves known having used all the energy and resources needed to reach us

The motives and MO's of supposed ET's or ED's have been the subject of years of debate and speculation. What remains is witness testimony, photographic and film evidence, government documentation released under FOI. The fact that whilst some government and military agencies deny having any interest in the subject they collect data for analysis, the fact that said agencies interview and debrief witnesses, the fact that they issue memorandums to downplay and ridicule the subject in the MSM. And this is just the tip of the iceberg, I would not dismiss this subject based upon your rationale.

Only when I see something with my own eyes that without a shadow of a doubt is extra-terrestrial, will I believe that they have visited Earth.

This is an impossibility, how could you ever be without a shadow of a doubt that something is ET?

Originally posted by seabhac-rua

Originally posted by fiftyfifty

What I don't believe is that they are flying around our planet in spaceships in broad daylight at airliner altitudes with no intention to make themselves known having used all the energy and resources needed to reach us

The motives and MO's of supposed ET's or ED's have been the subject of years of debate and speculation. What remains is witness testimony, photographic and film evidence, government documentation released under FOI. The fact that whilst some government and military agencies deny having any interest in the subject they collect data for analysis, the fact that said agencies interview and debrief witnesses, the fact that they issue memorandums to downplay and ridicule the subject in the MSM. And this is just the tip of the iceberg, I would not dismiss this subject based upon your rationale.

Only when I see something with my own eyes that without a shadow of a doubt is extra-terrestrial, will I believe that they have visited Earth.

This is an impossibility, how could you ever be without a shadow of a doubt that something is ET?

- Witness testimony can easily be made up for various motivating reasons = low credibility
- Photographic and film evidence is not reliable as it either shows something that can't be explained because it is too blurry, dark or short to identify what we are actually looking at. Anything that looks clearly unlike anything known to be of Earth can be faked. In my opinion = ZERO credibility
- Govermnent documentation doesn't indicate any specific alien cases. Only admission that they haven't been able to identify certain objects. This doesn't rule our foreign military craft, weather phenomenon, hoaxes etc.

The rest of what you say is taking fact and blending it with your beliefs so it fits.

I rely on my eyes to tell me what is real and what is not and if I believe something is real after seeing it then that FOR ME is without doubt.

reply to post by fiftyfifty


Well, if you are so inclined you should do some research into the UFO subject because:

A. there are literally thousands of credible witness statements by professional people collected since and before the 40's.

B. There are excellent UFO pictures in the public domain. There is also lots of film

C. Have you read all government documentation regarding UFO's? Don't make unfounded assumptions.

The facts I state regarding government agencies are just that - facts, not my opinion.

You are entitled to take whatever stance suits you of course, but to me you are demonstrating your ignorance regarding this subject.

reply to post by seabhac-rua


I am not denying that you've looked into the subject deeper than I have. However, I will stand by my view that even 'credible' witnesses can be mistaken and make things up. Our eyes can deceive us and when we can't make sense of something, we try to come up with a logical explanation. Unfortunately, everyones logic differs and we end up with wild claims.

I am aware of several unexplained events and I don't claim to be able to explain them myself and I am not interested in trying to 'debunk' I want to know the truth as much as the next man. However, I am yet to discover any piece of 'evidence' which makes me sit up and think "Wow - it can only be alien!".

I am not one for leaping to wild conclusions. If my mum told me to jump off a cliff into a safety net below, I'd want to see the safety net before I jumped despite her being 'credible' if you get what I mean?

reply to post by fiftyfifty


Star for your adding some substance to the thread. That Hong Kong Airlines Boeing 737-800 (B-KBE) photo certainly looks right.

When birds defecate in flight are they careful not to get it on airplanes? Is this unknown person's word good? It might be an alien touring vessel, but without more evidence, it might as well be bird poo on the window.

Originally posted by BenevolentTruth
There seem to be lights on the bottom (visible) portion of the UFO. 3 small and 1 big. I thought it was the sun's glare on glass but it has almost the same intensity all the way around, even on the shady side where the sun isn't hitting it. I don't know much about alien technology but this seems legit at first glance. Hopefully someone more edumacated than I can shed some light on this.

When I see the light on the bottom of the ufo I think of David Sereda's youtube video and ufo in space with that whole in the middle.
www.youtube.com...

If true, spectacular photo really!

reply to post by pacifier2012


If they was here in the 50s then there is nothing to say that the design of these crafts(if real) didn't peak hundreds of years ago, By the way how long have airoplanes had wings? they work so they keep em on planes.

Originally posted by seabhac-rua
reply to post by fiftyfifty

 

Well, if you are so inclined you should do some research into the UFO subject because:

A. there are literally thousands of credible witness statements by professional people collected since and before the 40's.

B. There are excellent UFO pictures in the public domain. There is also lots of film

C. Have you read all government documentation regarding UFO's? Don't make unfounded assumptions.

The facts I state regarding government agencies are just that - facts, not my opinion.

You are entitled to take whatever stance suits you of course, but to me you are demonstrating your ignorance regarding this subject.

edit on 18-12-2012 by seabhac-rua because: (no reason given)

I think it is time ATS changed its motto to embrace ignorance, as that is what most of the posters here seam to do now days.

Originally posted by magma
Looks fake to me

Too clear through window

Yeah windows aren't for clear viewing

Although not able to put the proper amount of time breaking this down and analyzing the photo, I do have some concerns with the photograph.

My most prioritized problem is the shadows and the Sun's reflection on the plane.. versus whats on the UFO (or actually more correctly.. whats not on the UFO).

Originally posted by maryhinge
everyones an expert debunker

yes ill take your word for it if you say

its fake/cgi its got to be

all you debunkers what you going to do if

you get to see one for yourself

poop your pants or claim its fake/cgi

Personally I would go wow they do exsist. In this case though it is fake so no wow from me.

Originally posted by pillock
reply to post by upgrader

 

you have to turn your phones off when you fly.
Turning your phone on to get a picture takes a while

Whens the last time you flew?
Its called airplane mode on your cell and for most of the flight youre now allowed to use electronic devices so your cell might not be the only thing you could use to take a picture while on a plane (e.g., ipad).

But I do agree this looks fairly legit in my opinion