Is There Such a Thing as a Positive Illuminati?

reply to post by tinhattribunal

The Illuminati (not to be confused with the Bavarian Illuminati) is a very secretive group of occult practitioners who have been around for thousands and thousands of years and are using the Jewish Cabala as one of their guidelines to oppress the rest of the population. It is not a boys' club or a group of adults trying to get some excitement in life; this is something much bigger and much more sinister. It is an extremely well structured organization consisting of people in very High Places. Those people are the Super Wealthy, who stand above the law. Many of them don't even appear on the list of the wealthiest people in the world - they are that secret. What is driving them is power, money and control over life and death of others and themselves.

If this is true than how do we know that they have evil intent?
How in fact are we sure of the specific details, such as "oppress the rest of the population"?
Who is the super wealthy that nobody knows about if nobody knows about them?

Does this all sound a bit odd?

What I see is the nefarious intent to create an unknown enemy. This much is obvious because for example, nationalism in every country is spurred on by the threat of an enemy of the state, so we know how it's typical, especially in most corrupt countries where people are ruled by ideologies.

What is left is the question who and what needs to create the enemy named illuminate?

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
and i did say masons might not know this

Definetly not as I said this is not something taught in Masonic ritual nor is it a part of Masonic dogma.

as i said, i'm pretty sure josh does know this.

I am not going to answer for him but I would be surprised if he said anything of the sort.

sorry, 'bout that, it was during a bit of twilight talk we exchanged on another thread
that he replied in Sybiline fashion [and very elegantly,in a manner that could be seen as contradicting his own statement too], that led me to think it might be known, but a secret.

then again if it is you'd deny it, wouldn't you? /jk

not a mason myself, other than about a year as an inner sentinel as a youth in the odfellows[not sure even if that is masonry] nor a basher if that's what's concerning you, being a practicing occultist for over 25 years, i know a thing or 2, and having taken no oaths...

it just irks me to see the term misused
as 7thunders points out the name has been adopted by various occult groups, The Illuminates of Thanateros, off the top of my head [AND orgs working for TCOTBIP]

have to disagree regarding the perfectibility of Man being dependent on HS,
that his opinion

then again perfection=stasis=death
so why seek perfection anyway?

weishaupt may have been constrained/limited by the ideas and dialogue of his day and probably meant advancement, lets not forget such statements may have been exoteric and the matter cleared up during the esoteric teachings.


reply to post by bowtomonkey

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger
then again if it is you'd deny it, wouldn't you? /jk

No, I discuss Masonry rather frankly with everyone.

not a mason myself, other than about a year as an inner sentinel as a youth in the odfellows[not sure even if that is masonry]

Similar but not nearly the same in purpose or ritual.

...nor a basher if that's what's concerning you...

No, not at all, I did not mistake you for such.

...being a practicing occultist for over 25 years, i know a thing or 2, and having taken no oaths...

it just irks me to see the term misused...

I agree.

weishaupt may have been constrained/limited by the ideas and dialogue of his day and probably meant advancement, lets not forget such statements may have been exoteric and the matter cleared up during the esoteric teachings.

An interesting point worthy of contemplation.

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


As you have been a long time practitioner you know that there are 'short-cuts' and methods of imitation. Or I could say there are several forms of illumination.

A positive illuminati would not operate secretly in the shadows for our own good.

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

A positive illuminati would not operate secretly in the shadows for our own good.

The gov't acts secretly for our own good

Originally posted by bowtomonkey
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

 

A positive illuminati would not operate secretly in the shadows for our own good.

The gov't acts secretly for our own good

Oh well it seems I have been extremely mistaken thank you for clearing things up.

I think I can finally sleep peacefully at night.

Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

 

2-As you have been a long time practitioner you know that there are 'short-cuts' and methods of imitation. Or I could say there are several forms of illumination.

1-A positive illuminati would not operate secretly in the shadows for our own good.

1- really now ?

in a sociopathic society ruled by psychopaths, an illuminated person would not be very wise, never mind illuminated if they acted openly or foolishly went for a frontal assault against entrenched powers.

didn't jesus say something about not hiding your lamp under a bushell [bowl]?

and we all know how that went for him!

2-and yeeesss there are many paths, even the martial arts, and shortcuts too
some being "unmentionable" here

IMHO, pretty much only the "short, sharp, shock" of the shaman is going to work on a collective scale
however if it involves mass murder [unless it's of the aforementioned psychopaths], i'm not interested.

the alternative is the one mind at a time method, which of course takes time, and risks losing potential candidates

whether one is an apotheosis or nemesis magician, there is much toiling in the vineyard to be done regarding the immanentization of the eschaton.
one does what what one can with whatever they have.

that said, i have no interest in living in anyone's "perfect world" nor in imposing my own.

while he is more of a materialist and i don't agree with everything he says, i recommend Stefan Molyneux's recent series " The Fascists That Surround You" [Part 2: Sociopaths here: www.youtube.com... ] for a clear idea of the obstacles to collective enlightenment
as he is spot on regarding the state of society today.

Originally posted by bowtomonkey
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

 

A positive illuminati would not operate secretly in the shadows for our own good.

The gov't acts secretly for our own good

LL
given their track record i'd say they were more Sith [whose agenda is the extermination of Consciousness]
than Illuminati, the only Mysteries they know are The Mysteries of Submission

Originally posted by thelongjourney
This is not going to be a popular opinion (but then the truth is never popular), but how can there be a "positive" Illuminati if there is no "negative" Illuminati? The Illuminati doesn't exist as portrayed by conspiracy theorists - the Bavarian Illuminati was indeed real, but was more of a progressive thinking organization than anything else. For its time the Bavarian Illuminati's ideas were radical, but it was disbanded by the Bavarian government and has not existed for centuries.

The "Illuminati" as the term is commonly used today is a device to support thinking that seeks to simplify our chaotic, complex world into a simple reality of things being run by some malevolent behind the curtains evil. It may be more comforting to simplify the world into black and white, but its just not real.

aaah.. figured it all out have we now?...
impressssivvve....

if not to say anything about parroting conservative disinfo sources... aahhhem...

Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli

Originally posted by bowtomonkey
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

 

A positive illuminati would not operate secretly in the shadows for our own good.

The gov't acts secretly for our own good

Oh well it seems I have been extremely mistaken thank you for clearing things up.

I think I can finally sleep peacefully at night.

Would you like it is America's nuclear weapons technology was given up freely to all and sundry, (or does your requirement only relate to yourself)?

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

given their track record i'd say they were more Sith [whose agenda is the extermination of Consciousness]

How do you know this?

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


these expose's of sociopath always have me hating on a certain kind of person. It's not cool to separate yourself from others in this way. We are all interconnected - part of the same body. The sociopath is part of you, as you are party of the greater picture.

reply to post by Jdawg9909


Considering no one has given proof that the iluminati exists that means it is simply a concept so therefore the idea that a positive iluminati exists is just as valid as stating a negative one exists.

Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

 

Thank you for the text I really enjoyed reading it.

Beware the fnords and I assure you I may or may not be part and/or a participant of operation mindf^@k.

remember what FUCUP said... maaaany MegaDeaths...

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by Jdawg9909

 

Considering no one has given proof that the iluminati exists that means it is simply a concept so therefore the idea that a positive iluminati exists is just as valid as stating a negative one exists.

stay on that train of thought... see where it gets you in the years to come...

Originally posted by prevenge

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by Jdawg9909

 

Considering no one has given proof that the iluminati exists that means it is simply a concept so therefore the idea that a positive iluminati exists is just as valid as stating a negative one exists.

stay on that train of thought... see where it gets you in the years to come...

Tell us please

Originally posted by bowtomonkey

Originally posted by prevenge

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by Jdawg9909

 

Considering no one has given proof that the iluminati exists that means it is simply a concept so therefore the idea that a positive iluminati exists is just as valid as stating a negative one exists.

stay on that train of thought... see where it gets you in the years to come...

Tell us please

some say a comet may fall from the sky...
followed by meteor showers an tidal waves...
followed by fault lines that cannot set still...
followed by millions of dumbfounded dips@#$ts

...

Originally posted by prevenge

Originally posted by bowtomonkey

Originally posted by prevenge

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by Jdawg9909

 

Considering no one has given proof that the iluminati exists that means it is simply a concept so therefore the idea that a positive iluminati exists is just as valid as stating a negative one exists.

stay on that train of thought... see where it gets you in the years to come...

Tell us please

some say a comet may fall from the sky...
followed by meteor showers an tidal waves...
followed by fault lines that cannot set still...
followed by millions of dumbfounded dips@#$ts

...

I gave you a star just because I liked the Tool reference however if you have any proof of the illuminati please share this information or I will just consider you are one of those people Tool references to in the last line.

Originally posted by prevenge

Originally posted by thelongjourney
This is not going to be a popular opinion (but then the truth is never popular), but how can there be a "positive" Illuminati if there is no "negative" Illuminati? The Illuminati doesn't exist as portrayed by conspiracy theorists - the Bavarian Illuminati was indeed real, but was more of a progressive thinking organization than anything else. For its time the Bavarian Illuminati's ideas were radical, but it was disbanded by the Bavarian government and has not existed for centuries.

The "Illuminati" as the term is commonly used today is a device to support thinking that seeks to simplify our chaotic, complex world into a simple reality of things being run by some malevolent behind the curtains evil. It may be more comforting to simplify the world into black and white, but its just not real.

aaah.. figured it all out have we now?...
impressssivvve....

if not to say anything about parroting conservative disinfo sources... aahhhem...

If you think popular conspiracy propaganda such as "The Illuminati" is anything but disinformation, you have never done an ounce of research beyond conspiracy sites. Would you care to provide your evidence which shows some shadowy group of evildoers is secretly manipulating the world? Evidence which comes from the historical record or any peer reviewed source? I'll even take a youtube video, if it presents actual evidence (ie not 5 hour videos from "Illuminati insiders").