I'm Sick and Tired of Non-Americans Getting Upset When Americans Get Upset about Non-Americans Talk

That's like me making a thread of non British v British who are sick of non British who do nothing but obsess over our Royal's.......

They are our Royal's......you don't have to live with them, so in the same vain it's pointless any other country even having an opinion about them........errrrrm like that's ever going to happen! lol

Chill out mate and stop trying to create further division

Originally posted by MJZoo


What do you consider and "assault rifle"? I can get a large capacity clip for my handgun....is that an assault handgun now?

Uhh wow really you couldn't bother to google search assault rifle to see what it is... what a stupid question seriously what a dumb question where I will give you an image as to understanding worlds seems a little difficult for you



High powered rifles not hand guns with a clip size

reply to post by xXxinfidelxXx


Secondly where was the fear in my reaction I am asking about reasoning .. Must be illiteracy day at ats

reply to post by freedomSlave


Well, first of all, an assault rifle and a machine gun are two VERY different things. Second of all, most gangs these days do not roll around with petty little handguns, but full on fully-automatic kalashnikovs and the like. Also, if the American system does decide to go all tyrannic on the American people, even the police use assault rifles now. Now what's their justification for using them? Because their opponents use them. Same reason why a civilian would want to have one:Because that is what would be used against them, and I can agree with their need to be as armed as their possible opponents, so long as all of their weapons are semi-automatic. Nobody's talking about civilians with machine-guns in their basements. Since you obviously don't know the difference: An assault rifle is a semi- or fully-automatic rifle that feeds from a magazine. A machine-gun only has one fire-mode, which is fully-automatic, and are typically fed by belted ammunition and fire at an extremely high ROF (700 RPM and higher, unless you're talking about something like a ma Deuce (M2 HMG), which fires slower, due ti it's .50 cal cartridge, but you will also probably never see any civilian owning one of those.) I can't stand people who are ignorant about firearms and yet paint them all with the same brush in their minds. What I would honestly recommend for close-in home defense would be either a 10 or 12-guage pump, but for bigger properties like ranches and farms and such, a semi-auto assault rifle is plenty sufficient and is, in no way, overkill, as they amount to, in effect, a really mean looking semi-auto hunting rifle.

reply to post by freedomSlave


Your entire post reeks of fear of what you do not understand. You clearly paint anything other than a pistol with the same brush because they look scary or something. I will agree with you on one thing though, judging from your posts it really is illiteracy day on ATS. Don't like guns? Too bad. Some people need them. Just because you cannot see what's coming down the pipe, doesn't mean that the people that do should be harassed because of their beliefs. You may call assault-rifle owners paranoid, but don't ever call them short-sited. Same goes for the militias which most of you in the inner cities and suburbia have turned your backs on, and yet will be your only defense when the system goes belly up.

reply to post by freedomSlave


Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but all of the "high-powered" assault rifles (there are a couple that aren't even assault rifles) you pictured there are chambered for 5.56 (and 9mm for the SMGs, respectively) which is far from being considered high-powered. High-powered describes anything in 7.62 and up. Gotta love arguments from ignorance.

Originally posted by Mads1987
reply to post by FinalCountdown

 

So far I have avoided getting involved in this debate - but now that you mention it, I do think the whole gun situation in the states, seem a bit out of control.

I understand how it might bother some, when we europeans speak our minds, but I assure you that we have the best intentions when we do. With that said I can also see how some europeans might get frustrated when their ideas are met with anger.

But, yeah... anyway.. doesn't it kinda make sense to learn from countries who apparently seem to have less gun related deaths?
I am fully aware that there is no easy fix to the situation in the states, but you have got to start somewhere.

Unless you don't think there is a problem at all?

I am not sure if I'm gonna get a response from FinalCountdown on my previous post - but I am pretty curious, so if any other American would like to share their thoughts, it would be appreciated.

Originally posted by Mads1987


But, yeah... anyway.. doesn't it kinda make sense to learn from countries who apparently seem to have less gun related deaths?

No, not really. You Europeans have never really been armed to teeth like the Americans have always been.
Also, for the most part you guys went from Feudalism to Socialism with no real sense of "open road" freedom to draw from.

I am fully aware that there is no easy fix to the situation in the states, but you have got to start somewhere.

Unless you don't think there is a problem at all?

I don't think there's a problem at all.
I do however think there are sinister plots, false flags and a secret agenda.

reply to post by xXxinfidelxXx


still my point eludes you lol why does one need own them why are they sold over the counter ... And why the hell you think I speak from fear based . Because I asked a question on reason and logic .. good for you for obtaining knowledge on fire arms .. still never once answered my question .. or does reasoning elude you and make silly comments about people being fearful and looking like a idiot

ETA no I don't hold a interest in fire arms . as you can see .. do you hold an interest in guitars like me or are you fearful of them ?

My question would be , how many percentage US citizens buy guns or have one?
Do you have to get any permit to buy guns?
If so How strict are they to obtain these laws?

reply to post by 0bserver1


Legally or illegally?
I can you get you a gun by three o'clock.

reply to post by xXxinfidelxXx


Furthermore As to what this great debate stemmed from here are the guns used in newtown school shooting



designed for military and law enforcement .. What does average joe america , or fellow canadian need this for ?

Duck hunting ?

reply to post by FinalCountdown


Okay I can see that it's a major issue to disarm the US from one day to another. I also think that It would be dangerous to do so..

But I think that to obtain a weapon that easy should be more strictly regulated I mean , To start selling weapon with maximum range and maybe having a permit to carry one would be a small step of change I would say?

But I meant legally btw

reply to post by freedomSlave


I asked what YOU consider an assault rifle. Don't post me a picture or regurgitate what the news tell you. I'll give you a second chance to answer a simple question. Good luck.

reply to post by freedomSlave


You should really not go around casting stones at people that you really know nothing about. Not that it's any of your business, but I have played guitar for 14 years now, but that has nothing to do with anything that we're talking about here. Your fear of firearms comes out loud in clear in your senseless classification of all assault rifles as evil, when they are only tools for self defense when purchased by a civilian. Very few murders are committed using assault rifles that are legally-procured. Maybe you are not scared of them, but you most-definately are ignorant of them. You should not comment on things that you have no understanding of. Also, just because I happen to know quite a bit about firearms does not mean that I have an "interest" in them. Kinda comes with the territory when you're enlisted. Another thing you obviously would know nothing about. Now, you gonna leave it at that, or do you feel the need to cast more stones, because I am quite sick of your bantering.

reply to post by freedomSlave


Do you think any of them were legally procured? I highly doubt that they were, and I highly doubt that anyone could just waltz into a school with an AR15 under their bloody coat. You need to reevaluate your sources if you think that everything the news tells you is true.

reply to post by freedomSlave


Just thought you should know, as well, that Bushmaster AR-15s sold for civilian use are semi-auto only and, as such are not "designed for military and law-enforcement use." It's a glorified hunting rifle. Also, the website you got that image from is questionable in legitimacy as it states that a Glock can fire 5 rounds per second. That's just laughable. Most people can't even move their finger that fast, let alone control the recoil of a handgun 5 times in one second. Any more arguments from ignorance you'd like to share with us?

reply to post by FinalCountdown


Hmmm, I am sad to hear you feel that way.
You know - like they always say on those tv-show AA meetings "the first step is admitting that you have a problem".

But all joking aside. I agree with you that the situation is unprecedented, when compared to european history. But most other industrialized nations in the world have only a tenth of the gun related deaths per citizen that the US has. Does that not imply, if not that there is a problem, then at least that other nations might have a healthier approach?

I've seen a few people write that it is a matter of being able to manually regain control of government. (If this is not your opinion just ignore my question) By the way, dosen't it kinda sounds like marxism - you know, violent revolution and all. Anyway. Isn't it perhaps time to reconsider if this is really the best method?
I just seems very primitive.

reply to post by MJZoo


I just showed you military grade weapon buddy not hand guns not shot gun not hunting rifles pretty much what i presented to you ?

reply to post by xXxinfidelxXx


Where did I say they were evil ... All I said what reasoning in there have them sold over the counter what reasoning does an citizen need to have such fire arms ... read what I said again and again if you are still confused . lol

was i saying they should ban all guns because I am afraid ?