I'm sick of people telling us we can not comment on the gun laws of the USA.

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No probs dude no harm done eh
At the end of the day we in the UK stand by you in the USA and visa versa, we all stood up against the fascists and won

And yes it's a tiring subject. Alot of Americans will argue about, including myself. However, just wish everyone would quite bringing it up. Especially when something happens, like it did yesterday. As if magically there will be no guns, killing, and we will all live in peace. It just wont happen.

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so because we are outgunned 1,000 to 1, we should lay down the last few weapons we do have? i always hear these little turds saying "the founding fathers made that rule back when everyone had muskets, they didnt know about scary machine guns". do you honestly believe the founders werent able to anticipate that technology would progress over time? they were some pretty smart dudes and im sure they understood the concept of new inventions.

Dudes this thread isn't about the right and wrongs of gun ownership, there are many threads about that.
This is about the right of people on ATS to comment about other peoples countries laws and such.
Please go to another thread to discuss that topic.

I was trying to address your post. I really don't want to talk gun rights on this post. Been talking all day about it. I was trying to explain some of the frustration this side.

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Wasn't aimed at you dude, It was others who started playing typing tennis.

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Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by seeker1963

 

Good post and that's what I like to see, people giving us decent honest intelligent views, it helps us who are not from the US understand it.
Thanks.

This is where i struggle.....I live in the UK...gun culture is not a part of my life....therefore it's not easy for me to understand or grasp. I have no problems with the fact that America has a different way of life.....but when you come across literally hundreds upon hundreds of posts from American's that are based on emotions and pride rather than logic, statistics and facts.....it doesn't help us to understand at all.
I've said this a few times....but the culture that tells me that gun's are bad and not necessary is no more ingrained in me than the culture that dictates that American's believe it is a right and a necessity.
It frustrates me because I am open to learning from others...but I can only do this when it is presented to me in a logical fact based way.......

Originally posted by The Old American

Originally posted by Akragon
I just read in another gun thread that "americans need guns so they can protect themselves from a tyranical government"

That made me chuckle...

IF said tyranical government have guns that are likely bigger then yours... not to mention Jets/tanks... an army...etc etc Do you really think you can protect yourself from them if they chose to invade their own country?

So, then, should we just roll over and take it up the old kazoo when they come to break down our doors with their no-knock, warrantless entries?

/TOA

Pardon me but i find it slightly amusing that you think you'd have a choice... IF something like that occured...

What would you do if you had 20 military soldiers at your door... Run out with guns blazing?

Sure if you want to die...

on the other hand if you wanted to live... bending over might be advisable

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger

 

1- Read my OP again I have changed my mind about the gun laws in the US.
2-Wow dude you really hate me don't you.
Oh and please just keep to the topic ok? If you wish to talk about how we in the UK are subjects and how we are in chains make your own thread...

edit on 15-12-2012 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

1- this thread is a reaction to a reaction to a reaction
2- lol, don't take yourself so seriously. that i bothered to call you out on that other thread you were trolling was because i saw some nice kid going astray, not cause you're a threat or scare me lol

3- am keeping to the topic, reason you are a subject was because previous generations of Britons forgot the one about
"Britons will, ne'er, ever be slaves" and gave up their right to self defense. this colors your attitude,perceptions, and worldview, with all manner of biases.


while it may not be historically accurate i remember in a movie that Cromwell revolution stated off by his reaction to some kid having his ears cut off by "nobles". others accepting of their station would have sung "god save the queen
[or king in that case] not that ollie is a role model, what with all the irish and scots he sold into slavery, and now that i remember, it was one of his servants had his ears cropped, my point is the man had enough self-respect and none for the so called divine right of kings.

as an american i feel disgust for my fellow countrymen who fawn before the psychopaths in suits
and spew filth like "respect the office/role"

oh and i neither own or use guns
but do believe in the right of all living creatures to self defense,
it's only natural

and i'm perfectly capable of ending someones life with my bare hands, improvised weaponry
[requires a bit more smarts, than the "shoot 1st, ask questions later" attitude guns cause in many people [IMO]]
or any number of very nasty tricks in my Occult Kitbag.

just denying ignorance here. got better things to do than "troll you"

I don't mind someone expressing their opinions about american rights. After all it's just an opinion. But most take offense when it is shoved in their face. It's not right to tell your neighbor that they're mowing their lawns wrong. Or cleaning their house on the wrong days. Unless you live in some crazy HOA (Home Owner Association) that has wild rules about those sort of things.

Anyway, it is a culture we have been raised on for generations and generations. I myself am not an avid gun collector. I don't need the newest and greatest semi-automatic assault rifle with laser and infared optics to go take down to the shooting range to "hone" my skills. But I do believe that gun ownership is a privilege that has been bestowed upon us by individuals who have thought of the risks/rewards of such responsibilities as a citizen of this country.

Alls I'm trying to say is the majority of gun owners in America, are responsible, and would never think of using their weapons in a manner of injuring or killing another human being in the same way that the very very very few psycho's have shown in recent times. Sure we love our guns, but it's akin to the nice paintings some decorate their homes with, or with the vehicles others have. It's just that these items can be used to defend one against oppression (in a literal sense, as in a mugger or home-intruder is oppressing an individual, and not as in the gov't is out to get me type of oppression).

Originally posted by boymonkey74
I wasn't mad before but seeing certain members are calling for all non US people to stop commenting on US gun laws etc, I thought I would rant a while.
For the last time ATS is not just for people from the states, others around the world can comment on what is happening in the US and If you do not like our opinions try and teach us where we have got it wrong and help us understand things.
People have called me a Redcoat today purely because I asked a question.
I have a son who is an American citizen and lives in New York so of course I want to ask questions and maybe give my view on topics.
It is fine when Americans give us views on my own country and I try to educate them about what happens over here so please let us ask questions and give opposing views.
Thanks take care everyone

Oh and just to point out because some of you have answered my opinions with intelligent answers I have changed my mind about gun control in the states.
So I tip my hat to you folk

edit on 15-12-2012 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

from your other thread

Originally posted by boymonkey74
I was saved by the NHS, I was a premmy baby and weighed about 1.5 pounds and was in an incubator for a good few months.
The Docs gave me less than 10% chance of living but due to the great care I received I lived.
Our system is not perfect but it is one of the best in the world and I would fight for the NHS because it is part of our culture and ingrained in us GREAT Britons.

Same with America. We fight for guns, you fight for NHS to kill preemie babies.

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Excuse the 'Mericans! We can comment on each and every country on the globe, but "god ferbid yew say sumptin 'bout 'Merica!!!!"

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That's right! You can't talk about the gun laws in the U.S.
You can't show images of Allah.
You can't disagree with the religious.

Pretty soon the only active thread here will be about bacon. Oh wait, I'm sure the vegetarians don't want us to talk about that.

Is this a growing trend or what?

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How dare anyone tell someone not to comment.

Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by boymonkey74

 

That's right! You can't talk about the gun laws in the U.S.
You can't show images of Allah.
You can't disagree with the religious.

Pretty soon the only active thread here will be about bacon. Oh wait, I'm sure the vegetarians don't want us to talk about that.

Is this a growing trend or what?

Bacon banning?

beezzer running to stockpile bacon

It is a serious copout Monkey. The gun nuts have little evidence as it is to back up their positions, they already resort to using some little town in the south as it is to try to make their points. The last thing they want is proof from whole other nations to refute their point.

It is a form of eliminating evidence. That is all it is.

It IS an international site.

To the OP, I'd like to offer a blanket apology on behalf of all responsible gun owners. The only explanation I can conjure up is, we afore mentioned law abiding people have, for years and years been tarred with the public broad brush. Were ' gun nuts' and 'blood thirsty red necks'. Our own politicians comment on our 'ignorance and cling to our weapons and bibles. So, we've become a bit touchy about it. We kinda loose perspective, when most any 'innocent question' is likely just bait to lure us into another round of insults.
We've been harraunged, insulted, and verbally abused so often, that even the most patient of us are at times tempted to lash out with a poorly considered ' you aren't even from here so shut the heck up!"
Which is almost imeadetly snapped up by those who are arguing against us.
" See, ignorant mericans! Thinking the whole world revolves around their butts! Lololo111"

You know, it's funny. The town in the south they cling to is called Kennesaw and I live about 30 minutes from it. It's not that great of a place. Their crime statistics are not at all out of the range of normal at all. Sure, crime's gone down there - but it has done so just about everywhere else in the US, over the past 30 years, as well.

Google gives links to their crime statistics and some pretty deep reports from past years if you simply search "crime stats Kennesaw Georgia"

Oh and to address the OP directly? Those who say you have no right to an opinion on the subject are simply wrong. You have every right to an opinion on American guns laws - or any other subject you can possibly postulate upon. What Europeans don't have is vote on the issue. Opinions everyone can have.

~Heff