Ancient Sites and Long Count to Judgment - 5125.36 years from Enoch's Words

Originally posted by binkbonk
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Why would god speak to us, speak to 'us', speaking in our language so we can understand, and use definitions that don't pertain to our understanding? Why would god say 'seven days' when recounting his acts to men who define seven days as 7 days and be referring to his time frame? Of course he knows what we would easily understand and what would be a riddle. Why doesn't he just make it plain so we can understand it? I don't need a calculator to know how long a day is.

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Every piece of the mystery requires a key.

Luke 11:52

"Woe to you experts in the law, because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered, entering."

In the book of Enoch, God reveals that the Watchers practiced the magic arts based on a hidden mystery of this universe. He stated that they only held a partial knowledge. By experts, we know who the sarcasm was for. What they think they hide from man is not hidden at all. It is opened at the right time. It is also misunderstood by the experts.

What did Mary say of the issue?

Luke 1

His mercy extends to those who fear him, 50 from generation to generation. He has performed mighty deeds with his arm; 51 he has scattered those who are proud in their inmost thoughts. He has brought down rulers from their thrones 52 but has lifted up the humble.

reply to post by EnochWasRight
If god is all knowing, wouldn't he know to just put his word down in plain english, sans the parables and crypticism? He should not have left room for man (who is imperfect) to translate and mistranslate his meanings. How could he trust mortal men to get it right? If he wanted his word heard, and not misunderstood or misrepresented, he should have been a little more clear. He should have known how future generations would perceive his words. But as it is, one needs a pastor or preacher or rabbi to tell them what the words mean. Men... It seems flawed to me.

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Revelation 20

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle.

I still don't buy it, because Ezekiel 39 indicates it happens before the Feast of the Great God (Armageddon) in Revelation 19. Maybe this is another instance of history repeating itself. Nothing new under the sun.

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But as it is, one needs a pastor or preacher or rabbi to tell them what the words mean.

Man needs a teacher to give him the stepping stones to hearing Father on his own. After he has achieved this, no man is needed, but Father alone.

Originally posted by binkbonk
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

If god is all knowing, wouldn't he know to just put his word down in plain english, sans the parables and crypticism? He should not have left room for man (who is imperfect) to translate and mistranslate his meanings. How could he trust mortal men to get it right? If he wanted his word heard, and not misunderstood or misrepresented, he should have been a little more clear. He should have known how future generations would perceive his words. But as it is, one needs a pastor or preacher or rabbi to tell them what the words mean. Men... It seems flawed to me.

The wool pulled over the eyes of the sheep holds harmless the one harmed by the law. The law was our guardian. Faith has come because of the lack of fact. In the middle, the trial of the ages takes place for Satan and the rebel Watchers who followed the rebellion. Under the veil, the sheep are moved through the wilderness. We are the true watchers and witnesses of the ones given the mystery before we were created. They have no excuse. Man has been spared. Unless they knew the truth, they are held harmless. If they did know the truth, then they are complicit. The sheep have an advocate that has been with the sheep the whole time.

The experts in the law know the law.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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Revelation 20

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle.

I still don't buy it, because Ezekiel 39 indicates it happens before the Feast of the Great God (Armageddon) in Revelation 19. Maybe this is another instance of history repeating itself. Nothing new under the sun.

Revelation is not chronological.

Originally posted by jhill76
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But as it is, one needs a pastor or preacher or rabbi to tell them what the words mean.

Man needs a teacher to give him the stepping stones to hearing Father on his own. After he has achieved this, no man is needed, but Father alone.

No man comes to the Father exexpt through Christ Jesus and no man has seen God execpt Christ.

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No man comes to the Father exexpt through Christ Jesus and no man has seen God execpt Christ.

I see you are not in understanding of that in which I speak. My message stands.

Brother Enoch has seen Father, his face had to be frozen for him to endure.

Enoch was not apart of man, but above, just as Brother was part of above, and not of man. He was only man as you saw him because of him inhabiting a vessel while he was here.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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Revelation 20

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle.

I still don't buy it, because Ezekiel 39 indicates it happens before the Feast of the Great God (Armageddon) in Revelation 19. Maybe this is another instance of history repeating itself. Nothing new under the sun.

Revelation is not chronological.

No it isn't, but Ezekiel 37-39 is chained together so it helps give me a basis to work from. I'm working on figuring out where Isaiah 63 fits into this but i think that is Armageddon as the Ancient of Days shows up looking bloodied from battle from aprevious engagement which also seems to coincide with Revelation 19:11-15.

Originally posted by jhill76
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No man comes to the Father exexpt through Christ Jesus and no man has seen God execpt Christ.

I see you are not in understanding of that in which I speak. My message stands.

Brother Enoch has seen Father, his face had to be frozen for him to endure.

Enoch was not apart of man, but above, just as Brother was part of above, and not of man. He was only man as you saw him because of him inhabiting a vessel while he was here.

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John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
1st John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
Enoch has not seen God no man has.

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Enoch has not seen God no man has.

As I have stated above, Enoch is not apart of man. There are three different types of humans here.
Above, Man, & Below. Man is greater in his number, but, there are still others here, that are not apart of man.

As well, you are taking the words of another, and not firsthand from Father himself, or Brother.

Originally posted by jhill76
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Enoch has not seen God no man has.

As I have stated above, Enoch is not apart of man. There are three different types of humans here.
Above, Man, & Below. Man is greater in his number, but, there are still others here, that are not apart of man.

As well, you are taking the words of another, and not firsthand from Father himself, or Brother.

ENOCH was not part of man? Then what part was he? He was not an angel he was born of man and woman so he was a human. My quotes come from the inspired word of God. And you are taking the word of what? And as stated no one comes to the Father except through the Son. And even Paul did not see God no man has seen God and lived. Isiah saw the very hindquarters of His train and became instantly convicted of his own sin.
You may be incontact with some spirit but I doubt that it is God.

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You may be incontact with some spirit but I doubt that it is God.

Yes, many think I am speaking to a spirit, but I assure you, that is not the case. Assumptions are widely made on here.

I stated Enoch was from above. Angel is a mans term. He was born of a man, and a woman, that is correct. All humans are made of a man and a woman. But, the vessel just holds the spirit, which makes up self. The spirit is the one that differs. Man, Above, Below.

Just because they look like a human, doesn't make them automatically part of man.

Hebrew 13:2

Don't forget to show hospitality to strangers, for some who have done this have entertained angels without realizing it!

Paul seen Father as well, he was not allowed to write of it either. Abraham seen Father as well in spirit form when he was taken above.

2 Cor 12:2-4

know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. 3And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— 4was caught up to paradise.

Just because every detail is not written, in the book that you have today, does not make it obsolete.

Another instance, where many saw men, but these were not men, they were from above.
Ezekiel 9:2

And I saw six men coming from the direction of the upper gate, which faces north, each with a deadly weapon in his hand. With them was a man clothed in linen who had a writing kit at his side. They came in and stood beside the bronze altar.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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Revelation 20

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle.

I still don't buy it, because Ezekiel 39 indicates it happens before the Feast of the Great God (Armageddon) in Revelation 19. Maybe this is another instance of history repeating itself. Nothing new under the sun.

Revelation is not chronological.

No it isn't, but Ezekiel 37-39 is chained together so it helps give me a basis to work from. I'm working on figuring out where Isaiah 63 fits into this but i think that is Armageddon as the Ancient of Days shows up looking bloodied from battle from aprevious engagement which also seems to coincide with Revelation 19:11-15.

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I'll read 37-39 this evening and see if I can see something there that connects. Doing it now....

In 37, we have the dry bones coming to life in 1947 and Christ (David's Kingship) coming down from Heaven. The Sanctuary will be there as well. Enoch stated this here:

Back to Chapter 9

25.3 And he answered me, saying: “This high mountain, which you saw,
whose summit is like the Throne of the Lord, is the throne where the Holy
and Great One, the Lord of Glory, the Eternal King, will sit, when he
comes down to visit the Earth for good.

This is the 1000 years of peace that God initiates. In Chapter 38, we see the end of the 1000 years when God demonstrates his power over Satan and releases Him.

We know this because Ch. 38 says they live in safety. Today, they do not live in safety and the walls are present in the land.

14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? 15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes.

Who are God's People?

Isaiah 19

24 In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth. 25 The Lord Almighty will bless them, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.”

We are on the event horizon of the Day of the Lord. This is not the war that will end in suffering across the world, but a time when the King arrives to show HIS people what becomes of the wicked. Tribulation must come and sorrows will be present. Future rules must first die.

Check this commentary on Enoch and you will find the sequence of events in the Commentary for Notes on page 136.

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People do not become angels Enoch was born of man and woman he was human he did not become a angel. Paul was taken into the 3rd heaven God is in the7the heaven so Paul did not see God. Abraham was put to sleep he did not see God either. Show me in thwe bible that when someone dies they go to the 7th heaven.

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Paul was taken into the 3rd heaven God is in the7the heaven so Paul did not see God.

Father resides on the 10th level. That does not mean he cannot move from where he resides.

People do not become angels Enoch was born of man and woman he was human he did not become a angel.

This was not stated by I, I am not seeing how you drew this conclusion.

I will not go back and forth anymore on this, as this thread is not about this, this has gone too far.

reply to post by EnochWasRight

I pretty much always enjoy reading your threads, but there is one issue I have with your calculations. As you know, one wrong number can throw even the best mathematical equation off. So what we come to is "dates" and the understanding that dates are controlled by people, they are not based on some independent self regulating system in the sky that everyone can look up at and read. With that said, I do realize we have the technology to make dates accurately based on star and planetary positions, but these measurements are not generally coloured by religion.

Which brings me to a couple of things, BC/AD is used to determine our present calendar date as being the year 2012, simple right? Actually no, since the calender changed I think in 525 "AD" to the gregorian calender. Dionysius also changed the calender prior because it was the belief that Christ died in 5500th year which would make 500 years after His death the end of the world. Then there is the arbitrary dating of 1 AD, when there are real conflicts between the Bible and scholars of the time, conflicts that involve the death of Herod and the census which place the birth of Christ between 5 BC and 7 AD. But wait, the birth of Christ starts the year 1 but He was born on December 25? Shouldn't we be celebrating January 1 as Christ's birth? Then there is corelating the Mayan calendar with the biblical calendar and the gregorian calendar. There are too many "Ifs" concerning time and the arbitrary placement of years according to religious beliefs and thumb sucks based on ruling monarchs, rather than pure science..

So will December 21, 2012 really be December 21, 2012 or is it a real or arbitrary May 15, 2006 or September 2, 2017? Since there is no "linear" accounting of the dates, a sequential stream with a verifiable history, from the birth of Adam to now, there cannot be any other date than a fictional arbitrary date applied to today. Everything concerning dates relies on circumstantial evidence prior to our individual perception of our own linear time streams.

Cheers - Dave

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We know this because Ch. 38 says they live in safety. Today, they do not live in safety and the walls are present in the land.

14 “Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? 15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I am proved holy through you before their eyes

One problem with this though. How are the jews going to turn and acknowledge their offense per Hosea 5:15 to bring on the Zechariah 12:10 event? So during the millenial reign they are going to continue on thinking Christ is a fake? That makes no sense. He will not return until they say "blessed be he who comes in the name of the Lord, Jesus of Nazareth".

Matthew 23:37-39

37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

Meaning they are the only ones who can call him back. And what causes them to call on his name? They are being exterminated after the SoP breaks his covenant with them, and that is what causes them to flee for Petra.

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If not for one thing. Israel became a nation to the year that God said it would. LINK

Isaiah 11:11
In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea.

Here is God's judgment predicted ahead for us to clearly read.

The Prophecy ... Ezekiel 4:4-6

"Then God said to Ezekiel,
'Now lie on your left side for 390 days
to show Israel will be punished for 390 years
by captivity and doom.
Each day you lie there represents
a year of punishment ahead for Israel.
Afterwards, turn over and lay on your right side
for 40 days, to signify the years of Judah's punishment.
Each day will represent one year . . .'"
(Ezekiel 4:4-6)

390 days Judgment against the 10 northern tribes 'Israel'
+ 40 days Judgment against the 2 southern tribes 'Judah'
= 430 years Judgment against the nation of Israel

Fulfillment

430 years of judgment determined against nation Israel
- 70 years fulfilled during the Babylonian captivity
= 360 years remaining in judgment against the nation of Israel

Where are the 360 years?

"And after all this, if you do not obey Me,
then I (God) will punish you seven times more for your sins."
(Leviticus 26:18)

"Then, if you walk contrary to Me,
and are not willing to obey Me,
I (God) will bring on you seven times more plagues,
according to your sins."
(Leviticus 26:21)

"And after all this,
if you do not obey Me,
but walk contrary to Me,
then I (God) also will walk contrary to you in fury;
and I, even I will chastise you seven times for your sins.:
(Leviticus 26:27-28)

"I (God) will scatter you among the nations
and draw a sword after you;
your Land shall be desolate
and your cities waste."
(Leviticus 26:33)

This is a factor of 7 (7X)

360 Remaining years of judgment
x 7 The prophetic '7X' factor
= 2,520 Years of judgment remained against nation Israel

360 day years for prophecies, then add the appropriate 'leap months' to the schedule. So, the easiest way to unravel this prophecy is to first convert this prophecy into days ...

2,520 years
x 360 days
= 907,200 days of judgment remained against nation Israel after the Babylonian captivity

907,200 days ÷ 365.25 days = 2,483.78 years of God's judgment remained


Now have another look.

606 B.C Israel taken into Babylonian captivity
- 70 Years for 70 years
= 536 B.C. End of first 70 years of judgment
+ 2483 Years Now add the 2,483 years remaining in this judgment
+ 1 Year Add 1 year because there is no "0" B.C. or A.D.
= 1948 AD! End of judgment against nation Israel

Now, take the precession of the Earth at 29520 years and divide by 360 and you get one generation of the circle. That's 72 years. 72 + 1948 (Israel) = 2020. Subtract 7 (Tribulation) and get 2014. My intuition tells me that the days will be shortened because of this verse.

Matthew 24

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.

Let's shorten the days.

70 years plus 1948 and you get the end of 2018, making 7 years of tribulation beyond 2012.9 (33.33 nautical miles). Can we narrow it further? I think we can.

The jubilee cycle of 50 years is based on 7X7=49. The next year after is the golden jubilee. Back to Enoch for the answer. Who fell from heaven and corrupted the daughters of men? Angels. What did God say in relation?

Genesis 6

6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

120 years x 50 golden jubilees will bring you to 2017.

Let's look at the jubilees by date.

Golden Jubilees

Why are the calendars correct to the year and month? Because the fallen Angels were masters of mathematics.

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reply to post by lonewolf19792000

One problem with this though. How are the jews going to turn and acknowledge their offense per Hosea 5:15 to bring on the Zechariah 12:10 event? So during the millenial reign they are going to continue on thinking Christ is a fake? That makes no sense. He will not return until they say "blessed be he who comes in the name of the Lord, Jesus of Nazareth".

Genesis 41 and 45. Joseph tells the brothers who he is in the second year of famine. The 11 brothers must first bring brother 12 along (Youngest). Today, I believe that the Palestinians represent that brother. The thorn and fire are in the side of Israel. So far, Israel has not loved their enemies. They trust in their might. They will face this soon.