Please Mr. President, Declare Martial Law Nation Wide...

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
Luckily, the ATS community largely consists of a fringe community of disaffected crazy blabbering idiots that no sane representative would ever listen to. Yes, there are many great informed members on this forum, but they are the minority.

Don't take the comments posted on this forum seriously. There are too many Jesus nuts, homophobes, right-wing borderline fascists and phony libertarians on these forums.

Truer words were never spoken on and about this site. Morality and safety through organized Judeo-Christian religion and superior firepower.

reply to post by Klassified


To create one, would mean action is required. And, well, we as humans, as "advanced" nations, have no interest in raising one finger to do anything that is not going to benefit us immediately. It can't require risking friends, family or ones self either. Protesting is a moot point. Action is required and we are all far too lazy and ignorant to push for what we once had...before the brits decimated this land...So, as much as I agree with your sentiments...You are only preaching to the choir here.

If you have ideas on how to unite the "common" people together, to take back our freedoms and rights that we gave up so long ago, to relinquish the pent up anger and depressions of decades of despair...by all means, let's hear it. I for one, have no idea how to motivate a country of 300 million, when half of them are so obsessed with American Idol and the other half are working 80 hour work weeks to put scraps on the table. We need a global revolution...and it will never happen.

All I know is, this recent Connecticut event is "clincher" status. Considering the vast majority killed were children and the rest women, this has an omega-level emotional charge that could basically give Obama a blank check to do just about anything to "ensure the safety of our nations children and citizens", which would most likely be his words following. I mean, in my opinion, there has been no national tragedy since 2001 to bring this kind of opportunity for the oligarchs and demagogues. Not even Aurora, Colorado, simply because, once again, of the victims involved in CT. But you can be sure, it softened us up pretty good leading up to this point.

I can't believe some of the posts i'm reading!

Who the f# do you think you are?
I'm from the England and I accept any advice or opinion from any country.
Why so much aggression towards us Brits?

It's all good when America gets all up in the worlds business but god forbid someone from the UK says anything about their f'in guns.

It's been a sad couple days ATS and some of you ignorant pompous yanks should be ashamed of yourselves!

It's taken me a few days to process this horrible tragedy before I felt ready to comment. Emotions have certainly been high here on ATS and elsewhere, and I guess everyone is trying to make sence of "why" and "how" such a thing could happen.

The OS seems to be that a lone mentally ill 20 yr.male on meds stole his mother's guns and murdered all these children, teachers and his family before killing himself, and perhaps that is what indeed happened. I understand why people may feel speculating at this point on a more sinister agenda seems cold in the wake of this horror.

When I first heard what had happened my sister called me in tears to tell me, I didn't have on the TV and hadn't heard yet. She explained to me she had just watched the POTUS give a speech to the Nation and he was crying over the tragedy. She then went on to say that she "wanted all these damm guns banned".....having no facts yet myself other then what she told me, I didn't say much, but it struck me as a wierd thing for her to say so soon after this all happened.

Over the last few days what does seem clear to me is that the POTUS set the tone in his speech to "imply" harsher restrictions were needed, reguardless of politics, then that was followed up by a full force propaganda campaign for gun control, and banning certain types of weapons. Now, for the sake of this discussion I don't or never have owned a gun, and know very little about them, however I believe in the Consitution and believe people have the right to own them.

The more this nightmare unfolds, the stranger it becomes, and after 9-11, I think it's perfectly reasonable to question the timing of this, and investigate some inconsistent things being reported.

1. How does this kid get into a high security school with 3 to 4 guns?
2. Did his mother even work at this school? Why that school?
3. Is it possible there was more then 1 shooter?
4. Why did his mother have all these weapons in a home with a mentally ill son?
5. Why kill his Dad and Brother he hadn't seen in 3 years?

These are just a few questions I have been thinking about.

Originally posted by SilentE
I can't believe some of the posts i'm reading!

Who the f# do you think you are?
I'm from the England and I accept any advice or opinion from any country.
Why so much aggression towards us Brits?

It's all good when America gets all up in the worlds business but god forbid someone from the UK says anything about their f'in guns.

It's been a sad couple days ATS and some of you ignorant pompous yanks should be ashamed of yourselves!

Well said......

So Martial Law and a Police State is what will happen when you give up your Guns..... Its funny ... I'm a Brit, we have very strict gun regulations and yet we are a million times more freer than any American will ever be.... We don't live in a Police State and there isn't any Martial Law in place... Your argument is poor.

FYI. The Brits Didn't Decimate America.... It's time to start looking at at yourselves if you are a Colonist and if your a Native American it's time to look at the Colonists.

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Are you in the wrong thread? I said nothing about Brits in my OP. And I don't think you'll find me badmouthing Brits in my post history either.

If you're aiming that attitude toward the few comments that have been made in this thread about Brits, ignore them, or report them with the alert button. This thread isn't about bashing cultures, and causing more division in this world.

Just an FYI. When you want to reply to someone specific, click on the "REPLY-TO" link in the upper right corner of their post. Otherwise, it looks as though you're speaking directly to the OP.

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Sorry, it wasn't intended for you, just some of the posts i've been reading on this thread and in others.
I was angry and I should have hit reply to the posts that annoyed me but I was on my phone and linking several posts into one reply is a little bit complicated.

I know I should ignore but it was difficult. I've tried my best to ignore a lot of these Brit bashing posts but I guess I lost my rag slightly.

No offence intended on your part.

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Stop watching CNN&FOX NEWS fool its melting you brain.that's the problem.wake up fool!

You must like the idea of going to a fema camp.stop watching CNN&FOX NEWS FOOL!

Originally posted by rugger
reply to post by Klassified

 

Stop watching CNN&FOX NEWS fool its melting you brain.that's the problem.wake up fool!

Care to elaborate on what you're talking about, and have a sensible and civil exchange? Or are you just into bashing people who disagree with you?

Originally posted by juleol

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
It isn't a gun problem... it is a GOD problem. I'm not saying that everyone should be religious zealots, and that America should force God on everyone, BUT with God comes morality, for the vast majority of people anyway. When America gave in to the 2% of the population that doesn't believe in God, it started a downward spiral that has kicked God out of society in the interest of political correctness. Evil manifests in the absence of God, and God has been absent from our society for far too long. Secular humanism has destroyed our morals, and this shooting is just one of many examples of that. Things are only going to get worse from here.

You Christians have to even bring up religion in this thread eh??
And didnt you know it was a sin to lie?? People dont believe in God can have more morals than the average christian. I guess those christian run child care homes that abused kids had morals as well eh??

Your dead right there. Moralistic aethiests are ALL moral for it's own sake. They don't act in a moral way to keep on the good side of a deity. Religion has been responsible for most of the world's crimes against humanity.

I also find it disconcerting that followers of the various religions of the world actually believe in the goodness of the leaders of their religions. I doubt any of these leaders actually believe in the gods they are supposed to be reps for. All the major organisations of the world whether religious, charitable or corporate have been infiltrated and corrupted. If you were a psychopath and you were ambitious religion would be a natural place to turn to for ego and power.

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As a fellow Brit I have to agree with your sentiment but I must also disagree with the claim we are freer than the US.

Each country has a different personality. Because of this the NWO/police state/elites tailor their plans accordingly. Take for example CCTV. We are the most surveilled society on the planet, far worse than places like China and the US. The UK as a personality is willing at this time to accept levels of surveillance cameras far higher than would currently be feasible or acceptible in the US.

Also, something not many people seem to realise is that here in the UK we also have a right to bear arms (of sorts). In the UK we have the right to own a shotgun. It is a right and not a privilege and therefore when applying for a shotgun licence we need not provide a reason for our desire to own one and the onus is on the Police to find a reason to deny you that licence. However, when we're talking hand guns, rifles, automatics we must demonstrate a need for them and therefore the onus is on us and not the police. Unfortunately for me, a bout of depression in my medical records is all the cops need to deny me that right.

We should also not forget that we in the UK do not really have a constitution, whereas in the US they have the best system (though admittedly now corrupted), a constitutional republic. Pure democracies, contrary to popular belief are not a desirable form of government. In a democracy, the moment 51% of the population want the other 49% dead they can vote democratically for it. Imagine sharia law being passed in the UK because islamic immigrants out number christians.

Originally posted by billy82269

Originally posted by n00bUK
I get where your coming from, fully. But something needs to change, there is a problem that can not be ignored.

Americas attitude towards firearms is like no other, at least from an outside perspective. Its like how you stereotype us Brits and our obsession with Tea - Well we could easily see you sat eating your breakfast with 2 Beretta's at either side of your cereal, and an AK-47 tucked under the table 'just in case'.

I will put my hands up and say that taking and banning guns is too late, its very impractical to say the least. But we have to accept that the gun policy and your social environmental just isn't balanced out right, something needs to give.

We fought two wars so that we wouldn't need to worry about you Brits opinion of our society.

Well, unfortunately, the Brits got control of the US again in 1933 when United States Inc went bankrupt and was taken over by it's creditors--THE CROWN(Central Bank). United States has been operating in receivership ever since.
Yes, something does need to change. This latest shooter was on prescribed medication. He was autistic(vaccines), then medicated(Big Pharna). Cause and effect. Google death by baseball bat and you will be shocked. So lets take away bats. Now they'll use knives, like the knife guy in China just did to 22 kids. Might as well take away your car too. Cars kill people. People can be killed with a rock. Ban all rocks.

If that were not a gun free zone, and the staff and teachers were armed, do you think this guy would have gotten this far? Once Obummer has all our protection removed, then he can do as other dictators have done through history to an unarmed population----kill all who don't agree with him.
I'd post a really good picture of a school class in Israel, but this site apparently won't allow it. The teacher is armed.

Originally posted by merkins
reply to post by DreamerOracle

 

As a fellow Brit I have to agree with your sentiment but I must also disagree with the claim we are freer than the US.

Each country has a different personality. Because of this the NWO/police state/elites tailor their plans accordingly. Take for example CCTV. We are the most surveilled society on the planet, far worse than places like China and the US. The UK as a personality is willing at this time to accept levels of surveillance cameras far higher than would currently be feasible or acceptible in the US.

Also, something not many people seem to realise is that here in the UK we also have a right to bear arms (of sorts). In the UK we have the right to own a shotgun. It is a right and not a privilege and therefore when applying for a shotgun licence we need not provide a reason for our desire to own one and the onus is on the Police to find a reason to deny you that licence. However, when we're talking hand guns, rifles, automatics we must demonstrate a need for them and therefore the onus is on us and not the police. Unfortunately for me, a bout of depression in my medical records is all the cops need to deny me that right.

We should also not forget that we in the UK do not really have a constitution, whereas in the US they have the best system (though admittedly now corrupted), a constitutional republic. Pure democracies, contrary to popular belief are not a desirable form of government. In a democracy, the moment 51% of the population want the other 49% dead they can vote democratically for it. Imagine sharia law being passed in the UK because islamic immigrants out number christians.

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If you have to apply for a license it is not a right, it is a privilege. Rights cannot be taken away by some entity that is supposedly beneath your status. How can the servant take away the rights of the master?
Yes, democracy sucks. We were given a Republic by our founders and we threw it all away. Most people in America can't even wrap their little itty-bitty medicated minds around this simple fact. Even those who don't drink, use meds....... have been so dumbed down by the gov indoctrination centers(school) that they can't figure this out.

Take away their TV's and THEN you will see a revolution. (If they can still get off the couch)

The US has been under Martial Law since the Civil War. Why do you think the courts are Admiralty/Maritime jurisdiction? The Brits took over again in 1933, officially. We, in America, are not under common law. Time to get off the couch and turn off the TV. Does anyone know what an Executive Order is? And why do you think it applies to you if you are a citizen of a state and not a federal/US citizen? There is a difference. Oh that's right, the TV news anchor didn't tell you so it must be a lie.

I think we all know, by about the third week in January, everything will be back to normal, the media having milked every drop out of this story, and in it's place a few zealot groups off on tangents, until another episode comes, with a different day, a different scenario, but once again powerful and ominous. The conservatives, the liberals, the atheists, the religious, socialists, communists, utopians, gays, straights, all the divides, and we will be no closer to a solution. Nor will we give up ground to accommodate our brothers and sisters. Our society is in decay, people are scrambling to secure their own at the cost of the many. The OP here falls into the group fearing being a victim. It's neither here nor there, as everyone has their own agenda or way of coping. We want leaders, but no one is learning leadership, true selfless leadership, tempered in wisdom. Marshal law will be the prelude to collapse. I believe any thinking individual should know that, but those living vicariously through others will be clueless, and that is by and large what we have gravitated to. Give us marshal law, let somebody else think for us, let somebody else do the work of defining our boundaries, our needs and allowances. Or Pick our selves up and continue. That will take effort, actually doing something towards reconciling our past mistakes and choosing a path that will be sustainable, monetarily and morally, by being responsible first and foremost and then honestly getting involved in any way you have capabilities. to serve the greater good.
But you'v gott'a want it................

Originally posted by Klassified

Originally posted by yourmaker
The thing is Klassified, if it ever gets too bad in your eyes, you can always fight to change it.

The dream has yet to be made because the dream has yet to be realized.

I try to do something every day to make a difference. Even if it's something as simple as getting the cashier at a convenience store, or a family member, or friend, to question what they believe, or what they've been told. Any little thing to get people to think for themselves, and not what I, or anyone else tells them to think.

I'm not just an armchair activist. I talk to real people every day, face to face.

That's the way to do it. Get out in public and say or do something that will get them thinking. My favorite one is for when I go to the store and the cashier asks me for my zip code. I don't have one and I tell them that. Then they get confused and ask why. I tell them I don't reside in a federal zone and I'm not a US citizen according to the supreme court decision defining what a US citizen really is. Usually they just give me a blank look, heh, like a good little zombie. Although, there are a few that actually show an interest, but that's rare. There are some that wake up too quickly and go into a panic. Too many lies exposed too quickly can really freak them out.

Originally posted by Klassified
Whatever one may think about the origins and beginnings of our nation, the fact remains, there were individuals who believed in freedom so much they were willing to give their own lives, as well as the lives of their families to obtain it.

We have become a mere shadow of our ancestors. A people who vacillate at the very notion we might have to sacrifice for our own good, as well as the good of the whole. A people who are so fearful, we cater and bow to the whim and fancy of those who hold the reigns of this country, and are steering it right into the headlight of an oncoming locomotive. A people so accustomed to fear based living, that we are only shocked and angered by the most heinous of acts, and only then when we are MADE to be aware of them. A people so polarized and in denial of reality, that we perpetuate the very death and destruction we so despise. Which in turn, perpetuates the fear we have become accustomed to.

As a people, it is our responsibility to objectively educate ourselves, observe, and pinpoint the very root causes of the problems we face nationally, and globally. It is OUR responsibility! Not the corporations. Not the governments. Ours, and ours alone, to steer this world into a future we desire for our children, and our grandchildren.

And that's going to require cooperation and sacrifice. That's going to require a common goal. WE need to decide what that goal is, before the minority decides it for us. WE need to decide what has more value for all of us, than our petty differences.

You want a safer and better world? Create one.

Well said but too bad you are wasting your breathe! We are for the most part intent on letting our lives be run,
on choices being made for us, losing our freedoms for the illusion of security! This has been the path we have been on since the late 60s when the peace movement was allowed to be abolished by ignorant patriotism and deceptive bureaucracy! Since then the political spectrum has been to make promises of change for the better and then to move in the opposite direction! Too many of us expect to be saved by someone or something without any sacrifice or participation on our part! Our expectations are unrealistic and delusional!
We only want to point fingers fingers after the fact and blame anyone that is outside our belief system! This is how the two party system has worked and worked well, no accountability, no responsability, noone taking the initiative to create positive change and those that point out the truth are called crazy conspiracy nuts! All this while the mainstream media forms opinions for the two party spectrum, creates fear and placates to the masters of the puppet incumbents! We are so easily manipulated even here on the net, through disinformation, rhetoric
and false ideologies and dogmas!
I know my outlook is seemingly pessamistic but it's also realistic and I have no expectations of the masses taking up their own cause until most of them are hopelessly disgusted by the current system! It would seem we are not there yet but quickly making ground towards that end! I wish this was not the case and more of us were aware of the current crises entrenching society but we will have to remain patient until the day of reckoning is at hand! When that day comes, accounts will have to be settled and choices will have to be made whether to hold the manipulaters accountable for their deceptions! So the best thing we can do is to keep track of the who, what, why where and when so the masses can make an informed and just decision regarding their punishment, if any!

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Lets just hope it doesn't take thousands or millions of deaths to get everyone on the same page.