Obama massacre speech: Wiping away tears...and the second amendment

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


I can understand you seeing it that way. But OP made a thread based on his perception of what might be going on with these shootings. I have a hard time believing there are this many out there who embody the various factors it takes to make an incident like this come to reality.

If we just look at what's going on it looks to me like the UN wants our guns to disappear so that's why these shootings are happening. And that kind of talk isn't crazy and it hasn't been crazy since the sixties if you ask me.
So if you think it';s disrespect to try and get to the truth about why these innocents died today. Even one minute after they died.

Then I disagree on every level. Oh and I don't own a firearm.

reply to post by marg6043


I wasn't blowing any bubbles.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by rival
...my heart goes out to all those involved in today's tragedy...

But I fully expect this tragedy to be politicized and used.

Indeed. When one hears the word "but", one is expected to ignore the preceding.

I really wondered how long it would take the gun nuts to engage Obama somehow. Howz about you donate an hour of STFU for each kid slaughtered.

Really?
Seems to me the first to immediately politicize this tragedy were the folks on the left, particularly the hosts on MSNBC.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by randyvs
This 29 today may lead to countless tomorrow.

I really think it's represhensible that within hours of this tragedy, you folks are pissing yourselves about losing your precious guns, instead of showing a little respect for dead children. Frankly, it has put American gun freaks in a whole new light for me.

Gun freaks are the problem? What group is being attacked in the MSM right now? Should they defend themselves? Are guns what made a guy want to shoot his own mother in the head and then murder all of these people? This kid had a major problem and those around him knew that. He got no help.

I would think that you live close enough to the U.S. to know that Mental Healthcare doesn't exist here. If someone took this kid to mental hospital, they'd have just let him go.

Yes this will be used for a political agenda, but not to fix the right problem.

Crocodile tears - the guys is a gun grabber & UN Globalist so make no mistake he be coming for the guns!

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I am so sorry to misunderstanding your post, I appologize my friend.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck



Let me ask you something, Johnny. Have you ever been the victim of a violent crime? Have you ever had someone stick the point of a knife against your spine and demand your wallet? Have you ever been sitting at a restaurant, eating breakfast peacefully, and two armed men storm into the restaurant stick a gun in your face?

I gather not. The first scenario happened to me. The second scenario happened to my uncle 5 years previous. Laws only apply to those willing to obey them. More laws are not the answer. This school was a gun-free zone. Did it protect those poor babies? It did not.

Not everyone is capable of defending themselves against violent crime without an equalizer. One teacher, one janitor, hell, even a damn hundred pound secretary with a 9mm and this scenario could have had a vastly different result. Some people are psychotic. Most are not, and police are not capable of watching your back 24 hours a day.

It's not about "gun freaks." It's about the rights of the people to protect themselves from the crazy people. Three hours after a scumbag put the barrel of a gun to the forehead of my uncle he told me that he'll spend every dime he owns towards legal defense but he will never go in public unarmed again.

This is why the republican party is deservedly dying. Instead of joining the country in mouning, you hop on your political circus pony and start spewing venom and hate. It is this very attitude that the monsters that conduct these acts that drive them to these massacres.
The last thing we need right now is more hate.

Anyone using this as a political attack right now is just sick.

reply to post by rival


How about we just start with 100% of states completing health, medical, and criminal background checks on firearm applicants? Seems like a good place to start. Easy, too. But I would hate to inject some common sense into the entire issue.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
This is why the republican party is deservedly dying. Instead of joining the country in mouning, you hop on your political circus pony and start spewing venom and hate. It is this very attitude that the monsters that conduct these acts that drive them to these massacres.
The last thing we need right now is more hate.

Anyone using this as a political attack right now is just sick.

edit on 14-12-2012 by nixie_nox because: (no reason given)

Strange, I was just wondering why the majority of these shootings happen in States that vote Democrat. Thank you for the hate.

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That's okay darlin happens all the time.

Originally posted by Cosmic911
reply to post by rival

 

How about we just start with 100% of states completing health, medical, and criminal background checks on firearm applicants? Seems like a good place to start. Easy, too. But I would hate to inject some common sense into the entire issue.

There are to an extent. For this to happen though would require that this country have some form of mental healthcare.

A sad incident happened were Ilive. A person was taken to the hospital by police because of mental issues. Unfortunately you can only be held for so long(without a court order). I think it is 48 hrs. After the time was up, this person checked themself out and was shot dead a few hours later after attacking a police officer.

Those looked like real tears to me. I think he was upset, most people with children get upset hearing about things like that including me. There has to be some restrictions imposed on people who seem psych getting hold of guns and ammo. In this case the guns appeared to be registered to his mother. He sure seemed to know how to use them well though, were they really his guns?

I found the number of deaths but not the number of wounded, does anyone know that figure?

Originally posted by netwarrior
It's not about "gun freaks." It's about the rights of the people to protect themselves from the crazy people.

I look at our gun crime and murder rates...and I look at yours. I don't even have to take my shoes off to do the math.

Still, my comments are about a lack of respect for dead children. I figured this frenzy would start, and by golly, y'all didn't disappoint. Shame.

Originally posted by nixie_nox
This is why the republican party is deservedly dying. Instead of joining the country in mouning, you hop on your political circus pony and start spewing venom and hate. It is this very attitude that the monsters that conduct these acts that drive them to these massacres.
The last thing we need right now is more hate.

Anyone using this as a political attack right now is just sick.

edit on 14-12-2012 by nixie_nox because: (no reason given)

Im pretty sure the first people to publicly use this as political agenda was Mayor Bloomberg and the Mayor of Boston , both of which are Dems ... This was a tragic incident that will be used by the left to further the UN / Obama agenda bringing us all closer to living under Agenda 21 ! You can count on this

Originally posted by anton74

Originally posted by nixie_nox
This is why the republican party is deservedly dying. Instead of joining the country in mouning, you hop on your political circus pony and start spewing venom and hate. It is this very attitude that the monsters that conduct these acts that drive them to these massacres.
The last thing we need right now is more hate.

Anyone using this as a political attack right now is just sick.

edit on 14-12-2012 by nixie_nox because: (no reason given)

Strange, I was just wondering why the majority of these shootings happen in States that vote Democrat. Thank you for the hate.

I have asked the same exact question.

Maybe the most "fair" solution for all is to make sure Libs do not have access to guns?
Think about it, from a psychological standpoint, they do tend to get more emotional when things don't quite go their way. Often times this emotion leads to threats of violence, as evident by the recent right to work threats.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by netwarrior
It's not about "gun freaks." It's about the rights of the people to protect themselves from the crazy people.

I look at our gun crime and murder rates...and I look at yours. I don't even have to take my shoes off to do the math.

Still, my comments are about a lack of respect for dead children. I figured this frenzy would start, and by golly, y'all didn't disappoint. Shame.

Easy to throw rocks at the choir when you have hardly a racial class, your city council up to your government is planted by the U.K. and where you probably live the population is what 200? probably no crime. Wow man, nothing like being a arm chair warrior with your whole elected governement being transplanted from another continent, then throwing uglies at the states, when you live in "ho dunk, i dont want to live there Canada!"

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And you all just rested my case.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


To be fair, it was the "gun control freaks" that piped up about the political issue first. Great job completely ignoring the point of that post, by the way. You can live in your ficticious safe little bubble if you like, but I prefer to live confident that I can defend myself.

When seconds count, the police are minutes away. Oh, and those same police have NO legal obligation to protect you. Castle Rock vs. Gonzales

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by netwarrior
It's not about "gun freaks." It's about the rights of the people to protect themselves from the crazy people.

I look at our gun crime and murder rates...and I look at yours. I don't even have to take my shoes off to do the math.

Still, my comments are about a lack of respect for dead children. I figured this frenzy would start, and by golly, y'all didn't disappoint. Shame.

You're right, it did. How long did it take for a call for gun control? If you want to know the reasons behind the murder rate in America, then look them up for yourself. Sadly, it is politically incorrect to openly discuss them and would get you banned from ATS.

I have one question. How do you deal with the mentally ill(like the shooter) in Canada? Do you ignore them like we do?