Jacintha Saldanha inquest: Kate hoax nurse found hanged

Jacintha Saldanha inquest: Kate hoax nurse found hanged

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A nurse fooled by a hoax call to the London hospital treating the Duchess of Cambridge was later found hanged, an inquest has heard.

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Just an update on the tragic suicide of Jacintha Saldanha, she hung herself, she also had injuries to her wrists, so did she try to cut herself first? then hung herself.
She also left two notes.
I wonder if we will get to know what those notes contained and maybe we if we do we can get the reason why she did it.
Sad for everyone involved.
RIP.

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Make that three suicide notes . . .

LONDON — A nurse duped by a hoax call from Australian DJs about the pregnant Duchess of Cambridge was found hanging in her room and left three notes, a coroner’s inquest was told Thursday

Really????

Maybe I don't have the tin foil hat strapped on quite tightly enough this morning, but I'm beginning to note something rather rankly odiferous about this 'suicide' thing.

Something isn't right about this whole thing . . .

reply to post by GoalPoster


I dunno, I rek'n this was suicide.

She put the call through, she didnt reveal the details, why would someone 'kill' her? when the other one was more responsible?

This women was ethnic, cultural she didn't have western values (meaning she was a decent person at heart) I imagine the shame and ridicule from her peers really made feel dishonored?

She lived and breathed that job, her career was over.

Maybe the wrists was from some self harm incidents? she spent most nights at the hospital hotel, maybe things wernt great at home and she really felt there was nothing left.

Seems more plausible to me.

all is quiet down here the radio station and the DJ have gone underground

reply to post by GoalPoster


Looks like a cat, smells like a cat, tests like a cat..............it is a giraffe.

Is that how the logic goes on this one?

Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by GoalPoster

 

Looks like a cat, smells like a cat, tests like a cat..............it is a giraffe.

Is that how the logic goes on this one?

I hear you.

Passing on a telephone call seem a piddly thing to kill yourself over.

Three suicide notes, hacked up wrists and a self-made noose just seems odd to me, especially when suicides among women tend not to be carried out by the more violent methods like hacking away at their wrists or hanging.

Given her profession, it would seem more logical for her to have taken an overdose of prescription drugs, which is the more commonly used method of suicide among females.

Just struck me as a bit odd and worthy of a question or two.

(I posted this in the main Saldanha thread. Wasn't aware this one was up and running. Apologies)

It has been made public that Jacintha chose to self-euthanse by hanging herself, and that she also had injuries to her 'wrist'.

I don't doubt that for those of you whom choose to believe she was killed, accepting no other explanation, but that she was 'murdered' for a security breach, need to understand and accept that this was a suicide. I gave my reasoning as to why I believed it to be suicide back on 'page 20' of this thread (09/12/12 - 11:17).

In order to appreciate Jacintha's state of mind the night she decided to take her own life, requires an immersive empathic reasoning, taking into account all elements that led her to believe self-euthanasia was the only option open to her.

The method by which a person commits suicide is also a statement on their own perspective, on how they perceive themselves at the time of their 'self-killing'. Hanging is a statement of both anger and guilt, and of self-punishment. These two emotions of anger and guilt combined produce in the suicidal mind a powerful sense of unworthiness, of being an abject failure, and an object of dishonour. Suicide by hanging is also a statement of contrition, of abysmal sorrow, and is not to be viewed as a means of escape from that which one cannot tolerate, but as a self-vindication of reparation towards the act or actions that brought one to this inner-crisis.

The injuries to Jacintha's wrist are not given detail, but it could indicate that she attempted to cut her wrists, but found she could not successfully complete the act? Even this failure would compound her sense of self-disgust. I think she wrestled with herself, veering violently from one emotion to another. The injuries to her wrist could have occurred during the elaborate preparation of her own gallows, see-sawing through a series of mental pains and anguish, but I think that she had already done the preparations before hand, discarding the idea for what may well have seemed a more refined way to self-euthanse, and discovering that she could not successfully complete the fatal injuries to her wrists, she ultimately took the first initial method?

As I stated in my post on page 20 of this thread, the prank call, alone, was not enough to drive her to self-euthanse, other compelling and compounding self- judgements had to be inculcated in her mind, and they were given to her during the reprimands and disciplinaries that are alleged to have not taken place. The hospital authorities are desperately covering themselves by their over-the-top praise, with even a memorial service for her at Westminster Cathedral, no less. The inquest into her death was opened and adjourned until the 26th March, 2013, allowing for time to pass so that she may fade from public memory. How cynical an act is this? Yet, it is the usual method used by authorities to cover their own transgressions.

Just as the two DJs played their unwitting part, the real 'coup de grâce' was administered by the authorities...of that I am convinced. The two DJs are not responsible for her death, they were just an element in the proceedings. Can an 'attachment of blame' be levelled at the authorities? Yes...I believe so, but certainly not one of either murder or manslaughter...only one of knowledgable culpability. They are the experts, they should have monitored her. They should've allowed her to go home on mitigating leave to be with the one true support she needed...her family, but no, they kept her in London, isolated and lonely, and pummelled her at the disciplinary proceedings. Total utter prats!

Jacintha Saldanha - may she now rest in peace.

reply to post by GoalPoster


That's what they said about james.
That's what they said about erad.
That's what they said about cho.
That's what they said about the mumbai bombings.
That's what they said about the london bombings.

insert controversial or horrendous crime and attribute the bogeyman to it, at will. Post, repeat.

Originally posted by GoalPoster

Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by GoalPoster

 

Looks like a cat, smells like a cat, tests like a cat..............it is a giraffe.

Is that how the logic goes on this one?

I hear you.

Passing on a telephone call seem a piddly thing to kill yourself over.

Three suicide notes, hacked up wrists and a self-made noose just seems odd to me, especially when suicides among women tend not to be carried out by the more violent methods like hacking away at their wrists or hanging.

Given her profession, it would seem more logical for her to have taken an overdose of prescription drugs, which is the more commonly used method of suicide among females.

Just struck me as a bit odd and worthy of a question or two.

I doubt the receptionists have access to the drugs

reply to post by CrimsonMoon


She was a nurse, nurses answer phones to.

Originally posted by repeatoffender
all is quiet down here the radio station and the DJ have gone underground

edit on 13-12-2012 by repeatoffender because: (no reason given)

Why did you edit your post from 'Did she play darts' to this?

Originally posted by CrimsonMoon
I doubt the receptionists have access to the drugs

She wasn't a receptionist, she was a nurse that answered the phone because there wasn't a receptionist on duty at the time.

Yeah . . . I guess you're right.

She killed herself.

Shame.

That prank call cemented her sense of worthlessness. One joke, gone international, doesn't cause a mother to abandon her children.

The jokes, jabs and giggles simply confirmed what she, for some reason, had always known: her job was the only thing that imbued her life with value.

We see this quite often, but don't recognize it because it isn't fashionable in the American culture which has become twisted in its own fanatical sense of feminism, attempting to blanket our population of men in a sense of shame in everything that has ever made them different from women. I say this because I haven't heard an international dialogue begun on why men must recognize that their value is defined by much, much more than their financial contributions to their families. Too many of them suicide after they lose their ability to provide economic support.

We need to become better at recognizing this.

reply to post by elysiumfire

I don't doubt that for those of you whom choose to believe she was killed, accepting no other explanation, but that she was 'murdered' for a security breach, need to understand and accept that this was a suicide.

Why is it a need? I understand what you're saying about those who will only accept their idea that she was murdered. But there are those who will only accept that she committed suicide as well. And they will rationalize the "facts" to prove their case, just like those who want to see murder.

I am perfectly willing to accept either answer, providing there is sufficient evidence for either. And at this point, we don't know the truth. We may never know the truth. We should resist the urge to put ourselves in the position of needing an answer so bad, that we exclude the information we don't want to hear, so as to come to an answer that satisfies our need to know.

Not a dis on you elysiumfire. I just frequently see this NEED in some people to take the well rutted road to where they want to go, because the less travelled one isn't as easy to navigate.

Good post BTW.

Happen to believe she was helped along in her suicide myself. And not likely any other way.

reply to post by GoalPoster

It is very unusual. I don't think it's a conspiracy, but it seems like she overreacted IMO.

It just seems very strange to completely end your existence for all eternity, and never see your kids or family ever again, just because you got trolled She wasn't even the one who divulged the information.

Klassified:

Why is it a need?

I used the term 'need' rather than 'have to', because of what is required (logically) to accept murder or suicide. If we look at all the known elements, excluding (by implication) those that have not yet been reported, they all point to a ponderance of suicide, and less so, murder. The likelihood that it was suicide is more probable than murder. I suppose it comes down to one's 'reasonableness' of mind, to one's honesty. I would have no hesitation whatsoever to call it murder, if the ponderance of elements known purported such, but they don't. One has to be as objective as possible, like a third-party witness, unaffected by the outcome of the events. Of course, I am not suggesting for one minute that there's a forced 'need' to understand, just a requirement for honesty against one's own prejudice.

My earlier post takes what is known, that is to say what has been reported, and then I speculate (without prejudice), but with logical honesty, the probable compounding of her emotional state during the denied reprimands I believe must have occurred. Something other than the prank call compelled her to take her own life, and the only other avenue by which this could come was from disciplinary hearings...which have been alleged not to have taken place?

Obviously, the three notes she left are key to a full understanding. Will the family be given these notes unredacted and unedited, in her own handwriting? Again, the fact that there are 3 notes, declares a singular vision of determination seeking to speak directly to key influences in her immediate life. I speculate that as a suicidist, she will have written to her family, to explain her situation, and to ask for forgiveness (she would not have written to each family member separately, but as a family unit); she would have written to particular friends and colleagues, and she would have written to those that brought ridicule and harrassment upon her.

In any one of those notes lay the reasons, in her own words, why she took her own life. She would've described how she was made to feel, which would've implicated those whom compounded her emotional sensitivity. Jacintha needed people around her, needed arms to embrace her, but it looks as though she was isolated by command from the authorities. They wanted their pound of disciplined flesh, and they got it with over-priced interest.

I want to create a few ...creepy connections

news.nationalpost.com...

nurse by hanging: The Omen,

As everyone is having a good time, they hear the nanny call out Damien's name. She's standing on a ledge with a noose around her neck and screams out "Damien I love you! Look at me Damien...it's all for you!" With a huge smile on her face, she hangs herself in full view of the horrified party guests. A photographer named Jennings (David Warner) captures the startling event.
At his office, Robert is inundated with questions from reporters about the suicide. He cancels a trip to Saudia Arabia because of the death. Father Brennan (Patrick Troughton), who was a witness to the birth of Damien, visits Robert and warns him that he has adopted the son of Satan.

He adds that the child will someday rule the world from a position of political power and tells Robert to accept Christ, before being escorted out by security. As the priest leaves, Jennings snaps a picture of him. When he develops it, he sees what appears to be a straight line going through Father Brennan.

www.terrortrap.com...

The meaning of the name Jacintha: www.first-names-meanings.com...

since it is a flower, decipher for yourself what her name implies: wiki.name.com...

Does it also imply a world view yet secret fight between the British Royal family vs the Dutch? The greeks? The Greeks have been beheaded? or was this a direct threat ...... A threat to W & K that 'they were 'that close' (yet didn't) but COULD have beheaded the current//or kill the future king/queen?

Doesn't this (to me it seemed) publicity stunt visit to a 'plain citizenry' hospital just seem ridiculous to begin with? They are royals for cripes sakes, they have access to privately paid doctors upon a second's notice. Was this a kidnap/release attempt ? Was this nurse involved, somehow? or merely publicity fodder?

There IS more. Impossible that any royal can go a few months without causing some rukus to shove more propaganda in our face. Is the very media we watch their means of communicating their own personal threats/vendettas while we sit and pay for the playout with our livelihoods?