US government threatening the DPRK over a simple rocket

If you want to know what threats sound like try listening to the North Koreans who have publicly been talking about killing Amricans, South Koreans and just about eveybody else for the last 50 years. Of course they spend most of the time killing their own people. And everbody knows what the rocket is for. Even the North Koreans barely put any effort to claiming otherwise.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by freedomwv

 

You should google how much food aide the US has given North Korea over the years.

They want their cake and eat it too.

OK...Let's stop sending them cake.

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The reason why the U.S. is so pissed off about this launch is that the N. Korean Missiles have a tendency to fall out of the sky way off target. They have NEVER had a launch that was successful.

Since N. Korea keeps launching these things over other peoples countries...it is only a matter of time before one of these overly massive pieces of crap falls on a populated area and kills some people.

This is why the U.S. Navy is deployed in areas that allow the Navy to shoot down this ICBM before it hurts someone.

Split Infinity

Originally posted by freedomwv
The DPRK has had thousands of US troops right on their border for decades, had to deal with very harsh trade restrictions, been threatened by pretty much every 1st world nation on earth and deal with the daily pain of having the entire Korean culture and people split in half and cut off from each other. And one wonders why they are so hostile? The answer should be pretty clear. They deal with a situation of constant tension and threat of war daily. I am not surprised the government of the DPRK are a little high strung and on edge. I would be too if I had to govern a nation under such conditions.

Yet, the DPRK still attempts to build and maintain a decent society. They want to improve their communication technology and despite how very open they have been about it,

You must know nothing of North Korea because the leadership is off its rocker, forces its citizens to worship lil Kim as a God and kills anyone of them that speaks their minds.

Most people who have been brave enough to make it out of North Korea say it is hell on earth. News crews have sneaked into the Viet Cong style prison labor camps. They work the prisoners till they die of water starvation every day in the thousands every year, so guess how many millions have died at these sick bastards hands over the years? Know one knows yet but everyone states its so high the whole world would cry at once if it were made public.

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Human rights in North Korea are heavily restricted. There is no right to free speech, and the only radio, television, and news organizations that are deemed legal are those operated by the government.[1][2] It is estimated that between 150,000 and 200,000 political prisoners are detained in concentration camps, where they perform slave labour and risk summary beatings, torture and execution.[3]

The full extent of human rights abuse in North Korea is unclear. The North Korean government makes it very difficult for foreigners to enter the country and strictly monitors their activities when they do. Aid workers are subject to considerable scrutiny and excluded from places and regions the government does not wish them to enter. Since citizens cannot freely leave the country,[4][5] it is mainly from stories of refugees and defectors that the nation's human rights record has been constructed. The government's position, expressed through the Korean Central News Agency, is that North Korea has no human rights issues, because its socialist system was chosen by the people and serves them faithfully.[6][7]

North Korea's human rights record has been widely condemned, including by Amnesty International and the United Nations. The General Assembly of the United Nations has since 2003 annually adopted a resolution condemning the country's human rights record. The latest resolution of December 19, 2011, passed by a vote of 123-16 with 51 abstentions, urged the government in Pyongyang to end its “systematic, widespread and grave violations of human rights”, which included public executions and arbitrary detentions. North Korea rejected the resolution, saying it was politically motivated and based on fabrications.

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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by kwakakev

 

Heck the Korean war itself!!

How good have things been, really?

When was the last total war between major powers?

You have to look an awfully long way back into history to find another time where 70 years have passed without a direct confrontation between major powers.

If that is your major definition of "improved relations" then sure. But it is a very narrow definition that ignores much that has gone on!

IMHO, the nuclear age has served a role in facilitating the "relative" peace much of the world enjoys today.

did you not notice the list I included??

aside from "world wars" there has NOT been peace in many places around the world at all - that is MY point - that for many ordinary peopel the failure of hte nuclear powers to destroy the world does not mean peace!!

Here's the list again:

Consider 4 wars Iraq has had in the last 20-30 years, israelis and Palestinians throwing HE at each other, the mess in Africa, death squads in Latin america, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, slaughter in Indonesia and Rwanda, Biafra and Tieneman Square. The wars in the Caucasus, syria right now.

I read the list and thought that each example you posted was a complex issue worthy of a few pages of discussion independently from the current thread.

You could also add "The Troubles" of Northern Ireland, the mess that was Yugoslavia, the ethnic cleansing in Malaysia, the disagreement over whether to call 2 rocks in the middle of the South Atlantic the Maldives or Falklands, the occupation of Tibet and a dozen others.

I am referring to total war between global powers.

Over 70,000 men died in the first day of fighting on the Somme in WWI, over a million were dead when the battle was over 4 months later.

When it was over WWI cost 37 million lives.

During WWII The entire infrastructure of Japan was systematically incinerated over the course of 13 months using civilian housing as kindling and incinerating a million or so innocents as an acceptable consequence.

The death toll from WWII was some 2.5% of the world population, roughly 60 million.

You know all this Aloysius.

Wow! I have really enjoyed reading the responses to this post. That is one of the things I really enjoy about ATS is reading all the different perspectives people bring to the table. Yet, I have also read several reply to this post which are repeating the same imperialist view of the DPRK. I will not defend the short comings of the DPRK; that is not my point of creating this thread. My point was to bring up the point that the DPRK was not lunching a missile nor an armed warhead for some kind of test for a nuclear weapon. The lunch was a satellite rocket and simple because it is the DPRK doing it America, and the nation which America controls, are beating the war drums and making threats to the poor little isolated socialist state. There are much more bigger issues for nations like the US and Japan to be focusing on. Both the US and Japan has serious issues domestically to concern themselves with currently. Yet, they choose to have a B**** Fit over a simple satellite lunch by a nation which, despite harsh restriction on trade and natural disasters, have been able to do something many nations can only dream about; lunch a rocket and satellite into space.