World’s most dangerous religion: Atheists face worldwide persecution

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From this sentence that you quoted that bar atheists from public office . I would say if they bar you from public offices its har to have a job there. So yes I did exaggerate a little I admit it, but what happens when these ideas spreads

You now know that all religions are a cult when TPTB are starting to say "we don't care which one you go with, but we're going to single you out if you don't pick one".

Why would the religious fear the atheist mind?
Isn't the faith in their beliefs strong enough to have no such fear?

Guided by fear and religion seems like the best recipe for irrationality and bad decisions.

No atheist has ever threatened me with hell, or my life and my familys life on this site.
But Religious people have so I agree with the OP.
(Just to point out I have my own God but he/she/it is private)

Originally posted by theMediator
Why would the religious fear the atheist mind?
Isn't the faith in their beliefs strong enough to have no such fear?

Guided by fear and religion seems like the best recipe for irrationality and bad decisions.

The answer is in your second line.
They fear atheists because 'faith' is all they have.

They fear atheists because they fear becoming one, then all the warm fuzzy beliefs are all in question.
Doubt is a poison to them.

I am an atheist , I do beleive in a creator of some sort, but I dont beleive any book has anything to do with the creator of everything. So that leaves me a non theist meaning I dont share religious theology. Persecute me all you like, preferably naked..........

You know what? Good. Atheists are a-holes for the most part. People who attack and belittle others for their beliefs because they may have at some point been done wrong by religion.

I'm not a follower of any religion or believe in any kind of god but I hate being painted with the same brush as these people.

Didn't the bible say Christians were supposed to be prosecuted? Bible was wrong again.

Originally posted by Raelsatu
I've never referred to myself as an atheist for a few reasons. Some people say it's been co opted and tainted by feminism, which I don't know for sure.

Who says that? It's the first time I've ever heard it

sounds like something you just made up

Originally posted by GrandStrategy

Originally posted by Raelsatu
I've never referred to myself as an atheist for a few reasons. Some people say it's been co opted and tainted by feminism, which I don't know for sure.

Who says that? It's the first time I've ever heard it

sounds like something you just made up

Nope -- it's just a fairly recent development. See How I Unwittingly Infiltrated the Boys Club & Why It's Time for a New Wave of Atheism.

They're also building an atheist religion here: Atheism Plus

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Originally posted by signalfire
A cursory look at science tells us that every cell of our bodies, and everything we've ever seen, felt or touched, is made of the stuff of stars. We all came shooting out the other side of a black hole, or possibly first opened our eyes a billion, billion years after first being created in a big bang of unimaginable energy.

Why do you need a god? Everything is light energy and solids are only vibrating slightly slower.

YOU are light energy experiencing an unimaginable NOW. Enjoy it and put away your silly book filled with hate, violence and rules.

I get more from the bible now, knowing these things than I ever did when the bible was just flat and about rules and guilt. God was never explainable anyway.

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
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It's not a religion, just a fact.

I am very comfortable saying religions are fictitious. I am not comfortable saying 'God' does not exist as fact.

Believing God's name is Yahweh and he wants you to cut the skin of your baby boys and has a preference what days you work, is one thing. The belief that there is an omnipresent and omniscient force connected to reality is another thing entirely. I am not sure how logical it is to claim proof of its existence or nonexistence considering the uncertainty of the state(s) of the Universe prior to, or after Big Bang physical universe plays out. We can with much certainty pick apart bibles and when things are shown to be false have the rest of its veracity unravel.

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This is an example of atheists being annoying.

You don't like being called a religion. I don't care, fine, but don't tell me what I believe in when I chose not to be an atheist. I get the impression you would be in the ultra-annoying bible bashing camp if that was your way. Now that being a 'religion hating atheist' is more popular, I guess we can expect more people like you.

Just be careful that you don't become the same level as the ones you chose to heap scorn onto. You would do better to think of the best of spiritual minded people rather than focus your thoughts on the practices that you feel you can make look bad.

It won't make you look any wiser I promise you.

I don't understand the religious people who are afraid of atheists. If you know God, and he is here to be known, you would not fear the natural man. People may believe in God, they may believe in Jesus, but they don't know Him, they aren't filled with the Holy Spirit, or they would not fear the godless, and certainly would not defile themselves in the ways which the article mentions.

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The guy on those videos has some good points but his voice has a terrible pattern to it. Watching the second one I began to despise the tone. I watched the whole second to see if the next one was going to be the same way and didn't like the voice in that one either. I'd hate to have to sit down for an hour and watch that guy.

This is ridiculous, the article is from a confraternity of Atheists. All the given citations may or may not be true, but are not necessarily a worldwide blueprint, or nationwide for that matter.

IMO Jesus was a humanitarian, AKA the human condition, I believe he meant to enhance the human condition, he did not write the bible, and much of the bible is not about him, but about God, or a God. Sure, there is stuff in the bible that is good and humanitarian, but there is also other stuff that is not so good and conflicting, no surprise then that the bible thumpers invoke both the name of Jesus, and the worst parts of the bible together. Those are the people who really need to be investigated.
It doesn't stop there, would a Catholic priest ever talk about possession for instance? yes, some would, some would not, according to what they believe, and the Devil, and Hell is only concrete in the bible.

Originally posted by inivux
I find most atheists are even more hypocritically ignorant and arrogant than the deluded and faithful groups they so vehemently oppose.

While there are indeed many ignorant and arrogant atheists, how do you get from there to most? This seems like a Hasty Generalization to me.

There are two types of atheists: 1) those that disregard someone else's claim of a particular anthropomorphic being with magical powers. (They don't attest that there isn't one, or cannot be one. They base the disregard on lack of evidence in the same way they disregard the Santa Claus hypothesis. An agnostic atheist, if you will.)
2) Those that claim with certainty that no gods exist, period. (Gnostic atheist.)

Of all the ignorant and arrogant atheists I've seen/heard/met (which isn't a large sample), they typically fall into the 2nd category. They have made a testable claim, and have the burden of proof squarely on their shoulders to demonstrate the truth of the claim. Category 2 atheists represent the minority in my experience, but they are militant and vocal. They are identical to theists in almost every way except the obvious one.

Those of group 1 typically (in my limited experience) are mainly skeptics, and just happen to not believe god claims, Santa claims, conspiracy "theories", paranormal activity, etc., solely based on available evidence. If that is ignorant or arrogant, then I suppose you are correct, but then who wouldn't want to be ignorant or arrogant according to that definition? Wouldn't it be nice to know as many true things and as few false things as possible, even if it meant being called arrogant?

Originally posted by bowtomonkey
This is an example of atheists being annoying.

You don't like being called a religion. I don't care, fine, ... I get the impression you would be in the ultra-annoying bible bashing camp if that was your way. Now that being a 'religion hating atheist' is more popular, I guess we can expect more people like you.

That is a Red Herring Fallacy and has nothing to do with his argument.

Originally posted by bowtomonkey
... You would do better to think of the best of spiritual minded people rather than focus your thoughts on the practices that you feel you can make look bad.

Plenty of other people (and indeed entire books) discuss the positive merits of religion. This will continue as long as the religion is alive. What needs to be shared are the negative aspects of religion. He doesn't feel like he can make parts of religion look bad, he just quotes from holy books and people already know it's bad and make excuses for them.

Notice how you never use evidence to support that nothing is bad in a holy book. This is because there is no evidence to support it. The Bible, for instance, is full of immorality decreed as moral. This is not a good thing because people blindly follow it simply because it is written in a book. What people need to do is to think critically about everything and stop blindly supporting something simply because they were raised in a geographic location which indoctrinated the belief that a certain book is infallible.

We need to know the positives and the negatives in order to evaluate a book as moral or immoral. How else can it be done? Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean that the person is annoying or incorrect, it simply means they have a different perspective than you.

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That is a Red Herring Fallacy and has nothing to do with his argument.

It has everything to do with the argument and especially the OP, so ...

Notice how you never use evidence to support that nothing is bad in a holy book.

You mistake my intention. I won't quote more of your assumptions but address just this. I'm not religious. I don't like the way religions push faith in what they so obviously don't believe in and I see the bible as something written by people who often barely understood the topic of God.

My issue is with people MAKING ASSUMPTIONS against people who believe in God. they have a habit of painting them in a bad picture and then going with both boots thinking they are kicking the crap out of something. For what, for kicks.

There's plenty to say about people's idiotic beliefs but nothing can be achieved when you consistently go for the lowest common denominator...

Is it just me? All the time I see atheists making claims against religion based on really rare crazy talk and they appear to be getting more smug. It's just the act of replacing one extreme with another to me. Finding something 'so wrong' (even if you have to create it) so that you can feel smart.

It doesn't work like that. You make assumptions and that's what you are ... someone who chooses to judge people based on lowly assumptions.

We need to know the positives and the negatives in order to evaluate a book as moral or immoral.

And what do you intend to judge the morality by? What will be your standpoint if it's not religion? Natural justice? What other human contrived device will you use?

Not too sure about religion. At least the church has Jesus.

reply to post by rickymouse

I do not have anything against people who do not believe in god.

All evidence to the contrary It's okay. Just be honest.

I do think it is extremely unwise for people to cut down those who believe though.

God belief or religion belief?

I don't believe in that co-exist tolerance crap when it comes to religions. I will cut it down. I'd rather not be apathetic when I have opposition in my heart.

Religion instills racism, homophobia, patriarchy... it discourages critical thinking.... it holds back medical advances that save lives. No thanks, I will be unpopular and take my chances being a bully.

History dictates that nonbelievers were tortured and killed in history multiple times. People who believed in other gods were given the chance to change belief. Do you think people have changed that much? I don't.

I think if religious leaders had total say that stuff would still be going on.