Jizya - A tax that you must pay for not accepting Islam

Originally posted by svmpua

Originally posted by DeadSnow
reply to post by butcherguy

 

Well the fact that everyone is afraid of something that's been with us for the last couple of hundred years. I'm pretty sure Muslims pay taxes and besides the Quran forces them to pay Zak-at, i.e give to the needy.

Zakat average(tax to be payed by Muslims) ->2.5 percent
Jizya average(tax to be payed by Non Muslims) -> 10% minimum

Interested yet?

edit on 4-12-2012 by svmpua because: (no reason given)

Just curious but who actually lives by this crap? and why don't they just move to a better country? I hear Hong Kong is doing pretty good these days.

This is where we are heading, take a good long look and understand that
its a hop skip and a jump away from forced tithing in the US, they already
want us to ignore science and teach fairy tales here. this is why religion is
dangerous.

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by buster2010
Muslim's have to pay taxes so why shouldn't non Muslims? People like to claim that America is a Christian nation so are Christians extorting taxes from non Christians?

What your obviously failing to see is that this is an additional tax above and beyond what the Muslims pay.

I know you, i know the way you post. I can guarantee if a Republican put a motion forth in congress to tax Muslims above and beyond what all others are taxed, you would be up in arms creating a huge post about how wrong it is, how racist and intolerant. Tell me im wrong.

edit on 4-12-2012 by nightbringr because: (no reason given)

Yes you are wrong. Religion doesn't rule America in these other countries religion is the rule that's why some people pay more in taxes for not following that faith.. If you were to know what I post like you stupidly claim then you would know that I always say everyone should pay the same percentage in taxes. If you live in a country that is ruled by a religion you don't like don't cry about the taxes move.

reply to post by svmpua


Soo i don't get the point of your thread. You just told us something about a religion. For us to judge?
Who gives a #. "oh i love Islam and all my Islamic friends im not anti-Islamic!" Paraphrasing OP off course.
Well have fun pointing out differences, i'll leave you guys to the circle jerk.

ETA: Buster deserves more stars.

A tax that you have to pay to your ruling overlords if you don't believe in their "religion"???

Now there's a thing.

Having thought about it for a moment, it seems to me that we've missed the boat.

1500 years ago, the muslims of the time came up with "thought control". Think like we do, or we'll tax you for it!

Genius. Agree with it or not, it's clever.



Peace.

reply to post by svmpua


Now post Sharia law. A non muslim may not testify or witness against a muslim in court under Sharia. So in effect, they can commit crimes against you as a nonmuslim and you have no rights to testify against them. 2 muslim may lie against you and bear false witness against you, and you can even be put to death for it but as a nonmuslim you cannot defend yourself.

So we have the jizya tax, which is ransom just for you just to be able to exist, and they may commit crimes against you and make your life a living hell, and there is absoutely nothing you can do but suffer injustice. In effect many are forced to become muslim just to have an easier life;.

reply to post by svmpua


Know what? Every taxpayer in the US subsidizes religions because religions have tax exempt status, even though they make uses of public services -- police, fire department, road maintenance, national defense, etc. -- and may own property, which would otherwise be taxed. So all religions/churches in this country essentially have a protection racket going too. So enough with the ignorant Islamophobic crap.

And in the US we have taxes based on how one makes one's money, i.e. wage/salary taxes vs. capital gains. So all people aren't taxed equitably. No, it's not based on religion, but it's based on class and wealth. Don't see it being any more moral or just.

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AAAHAHHAH What a load of BS

So 40 000 Iranian Jews are paying a tax for being Jews in Iran.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

blatant propaganda

reply to post by svmpua


Wikipedia states that if non-Muslims didn't pay the jizya tax, they could be imprisoned until they paid the tax.

Trying to escape the tax by leaving for non-Muslim territory was punishable by enslavement.

According to Abu Yusuf, jurist of Harun al-Rashid, those who didn't pay jizya should be imprisoned not to be let out of custody until payment.

If someone had agreed to pay jizya, leaving Muslim territory for non-Muslim land was punishable by enslavement if they were ever captured.

Wikipedia

Conversion to Islam did allow tax relief.

While I find it interesting to learn of other cultures, I find the title

Jizya - A tax that you must pay for not accepting Islam,

very misleading. I presume you mean for people living in and around Muslim countries. Does this apply to any one who doesn't believe in Islam faiths or just to people who follow a different religion? Do atheists/agnostic have to pay tax as well?

I find it interesting that "ALLAH" is a beggar. In fact I find it interesting that 90% of the religions I have learned about require some form of money to continue. Whether it be from wars, its own people, or from "offending" religions.

Sounds like another financial scam and yet they cannot demonstrate a scrap of truth at the end for they don't even know the beginning, they will be accountable and judged accordingly at the judgment day given out by the Ancients of Days They do not pass for being apostate by their fruits and by their fruits you shall know them and consider all their failed states throughout the world.

Its not a religion of peace but a destroyer religion which is due to be extincted after the judgment of the Lord which comes very soon. Many people are abandoning this religion because the chasm of contrast is too great being a parasitical religion.

reply to post by svmpua

thank you for your open minded thread.
Fact 1:

Originally posted by svmpua
What is Jijya?
Under Islamic law, jizya or jizyah is a per capita tax levied on an Islamic state's non-Muslim citizens.From the point of view of the Muslim rulers, jizya was a material proof of the non-Muslims' acceptance of subjection to the state and its laws, ".In return, non-Muslim citizens were permitted to practice their faith, to enjoy a measure of communal autonomy, to be entitled to the Muslim state's protection from outside aggression.

in the past when there were wars between Polytheist and Islamic government under the rule of Mohammad those minorities (christians,jews,and atheists) did not engage in wars, so Jijya was some sort of tax that the minorities would pay because of their exemptions for participating in wars or governmental issues. also there were and there are other taxes for muslims which is called Zakat

And perform As-Salat (praying), and give Zakat, and whatever of good (deeds that Allah loves) you send forth for yourselves before you, you shall find it with Allah. Certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what you do.
- Koran 2:110

Fact 2:

What did Mohammad say regarding Jijya?
Qur'an (9:29) -

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

that is not the speech of Mohammad it is regarded as speech of God to Mohammad.

Fact 3:
some rules are secondary rules in Islam and they are free to be altered according to the situation of societies.
for example Jijya was a rule according to the situation of that time but nowadays nationality is an identity. so people should participate in wars and governmental issues regardless of their Ideologies and even minorities. so there is no need for taxes like Jijya. but still Muslims should pay taxes like Zakat !
or Islam had some rules for slavery which was a usual event in that time. among many nations.

And those slaves who seek a contract [for eventual emancipation] from among whom your right hands possess - then make a contract with them if you know there is within them goodness and give them from the wealth of Allah which He has given you. And do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, if they desire chastity, to seek [thereby] the temporary interests of worldly life. -Koran 24:33

what people do not pay attention is that Koran has instructed people for freeing slaves many times.

We have certainly created man into hardship
Does he think that never will anyone overcome him?
He says, "I have spent wealth in abundance."
Does he think that no one has seen him?
Have We not made for him two eyes?
And a tongue and two lips?
And have shown him the two ways?
But he has not broken through the difficult pass.
And what can make you know what is [breaking through] the difficult pass?
It is the freeing of a slave,
Or feeding on a day of severe hunger
An orphan of near relationship,
Or a needy person in misery
.............. Koran 90:10

but now humanity has reached this maturity to condemn slavery.

Fact 4:
the only true Islamic government was the Government of Mohammad but after his death gradually governments changed to inheritable monarchies (contrary to Islam).
moreover Taliban,AlQaeda,Saudies,..... are just some black sheeps and even their existence is contrary to Islam !!!

Originally posted by ollncasino
reply to post by svmpua

 

Wikipedia states that if non-Muslims didn't pay the jizya tax, they could be imprisoned until they paid the tax.
Trying to escape the tax by leaving for non-Muslim territory was punishable by enslavement.

According to Abu Yusuf, jurist of Harun al-Rashid, those who didn't pay jizya should be imprisoned not to be let out of custody until payment.
If someone had agreed to pay jizya, leaving Muslim territory for non-Muslim land was punishable by enslavement if they were ever captured.
Wikipedia

Harun al-Rashid was someone like Saudies and Taliban. he was a cruel Monarchy. he did not know how to write Islam. Muslims have suffered from such dirty monarchies a lot.

Conversion to Islam did allow tax relief.

religion is a belief from heart of people

There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. -Koran 2:256

as I said before those dirty monarchies (even Ottoman) were enemies of humanity they did not know how to write Islam !
in the Islamic Government under the rule of Muhammad even conversion could not be a solution because if they had converted to Islam they should have payed another tax called ZAKAT and they should have participated in wars against polytheists.
I myself prefer to remain atheist and pay Jazya in such conditions

reply to post by svmpua
I wont be paying it and this is one of the reasons we will have world war 3.

Originally posted by JewAgainstZionism
reply to post by svmpua

 

AAAHAHHAH What a load of BS

So 40 000 Iranian Jews are paying a tax for being Jews in Iran.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

blatant propaganda

Maybe, but they love Iran so I don't see what the issue would be..

Originally posted by DarknStormy

Originally posted by JewAgainstZionism
reply to post by svmpua

 

AAAHAHHAH What a load of BS
So 40 000 Iranian Jews are paying a tax for being Jews in Iran.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
blatant propaganda

Maybe, but they love Iran so I don't see what the issue would be..

no jew or chiristian pays Jazyia in Iran. because nowadays nationality is an identity. regardless of religion all of them should participate in Governmental issues and wars and they pay tax like other people.
so world has changed and the secondary laws of Islam (those that are related to governing like taxes, trading and ...) can change as well.

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by boncho
Wow, I see a ton of play on words that will pop up in cartoons with that name: Jizya.

I know one thing. Ain't nobody jizzin me.

wonder if we would see a rap video with jizzin n snizzin.

I saw a video once that included such...I don't think it was a rap video though.

Was Snoop Dog in the movie?
Either way, I feel bad for the folks who'll be jizzed with all the taxes.

Originally posted by ZeroReady
...

Most other conquering cultures I can think of did NOT allow those who were conquered to keep their own identities and culture. The Christians never allow conquered cultures to keep their faith. Any deviation from Roman Catholic tradition would result in ex-communication and a crusade, of which there were over a dozen. I would say Christianity is the one being spread at the point of a sword more than Islam was. True, Muhammad was a military genius for some reason, and never lost a battle, but there were plenty of other reasons for Islam's popularity and spread.

So if you're trying to say that they Muslims were completely out of line for charging non-believers a tax, you need to get more perspective on what was happening in the 7th century.

A tax would have been the least of most people's concerns.

edit on 4-12-2012 by ZeroReady because: (no reason given)

The problem here is that Christianity has modernized with today's world, yet many Islamic states want to hold onto the way things used to be done....

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

Which sharia?