3-D Printed Gun Only Lasts 6 Shots

Originally posted by sylent6
Unfortunately, this will fall in the wrong hands and guns will be on the street and cheap for anyone to buy.

How is that different from today? Guns are ALREADY on the street and cheap for anyone to buy.

reply to post by CaptainBeno


REALLY !!! ? No one is going to build plastic guns ! This is so fear mongering crap right here . The have cnc machines already and have had them for years . This tech. is NOT new , yet we have seen no problems ! Troll on big boy

REALLY !!! ? No one is going to build plastic guns

reply to post by letseeit7


I think you'll find they just did.

Did you watch the video?

I think the nay sayers are getting the wrong end of the stick in this discussion.

I could stab you to death with a pen, but I wouldn't.

A person could eventually get a gun and kill you....but there is a process. For instance, in the USA I would imagine you could quite easily purchase an illegal gun for a few dollars (so I'm led to believe) and go out on a rampage if so compelled to do so. However, here in Australia, where we have no handguns hanging around in peoples houses and on the streets (I'm sure there are, but a microscopic percentage compared with USA) it would be extremely hard to obtain one. In fact I will try it and report back to you?

However, Just like porn, the temptation will be there for our younger fellows to look and print. And it will only be a matter of time before 3D printers become cheaper and making "A WHOLE WEAPON" becomes possible.

Further more, I'm sure someone will come up with a design of gun that can be used once with relative safety (Not a AK47 or like....something small like a handbag ladies gun with few working parts) and make some families lives a misery when he /she takes it to school.

Get off your "moral high ground" and look at the possibility that this COULD eventually happen.

Thank you all

Beno

Double post

reply to post by CaptainBeno


I too live in Australia and am aware of the limitation placed on us but the Government in terms of owning firearms.

Perhaps you should look at the deaths by illegal firearms stats after the ban came into place.
They skyrocketed... The ability to purchase illegal firearms here in Australia is a difficult process if you don't know who to ask; but it is not impossible.

The point is, in countries like Australia, it is cheaper to build your own firearms then it is to try and procure them legally/illegally. Not to mention, a whole lot safer as you don't need to trust anyone else apart from yourself.

Originally posted by CaptainBeno

REALLY !!! ? No one is going to build plastic guns

reply to post by letseeit7

 

I think you'll find they just did.

Did you watch the video?

Building parts to a gun doesn't equal building a gun. You might as well say if you buy a metal tube you bought a gun because the tube can be used as a barrel, which is part of a gun.

reply to post by bl4ke360


Facepalm

Sorry I meant buying a plastic tube instead of a metal one, then the analogy would be more fitting.

This news is worrying, because of (at least) three points:

(1): You can build a gun for your own. Okay, you still need ammunition. In Germany and many other countries, there is no gun shop around the corner with nothing more than a few days wait for your new gun. We can't buy weapons that easily. Now, we could "just" print a gun. And this process, believe me, will get increasingly more easy over time!
(2): This gun doesn't have a serial number. Ballistic/forensic specialists will be driven crazy about this, as they will have a LOT more problems deciding who built that thing.
(3): 6 shots are A LOT.

Originally posted by ManFromEurope
This news is worrying, because of (at least) three points:

(1): You can build a gun for your own.

Have you read any of this thread at all? You can't print a gun, you can only print parts to a gun. You can do the same thing without a 3d printer, so that makes your entire post pointless. How come I don't see you being worried that people are able to smelt metal to make gun parts?

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by ManFromEurope
This news is worrying, because of (at least) three points:

(1): You can build a gun for your own.

Have you read any of this thread at all? You can't print a gun, you can only print parts to a gun. You can do the same thing without a 3d printer, so that makes your entire post pointless. How come I don't see you being worried that people are able to smelt metal to make gun parts?

Aaaand this will be so in all of the future? Come on, the problem is that you could DOWNLOAD a file for a weapon in the future. Maybe even manufacture it COMPLETELY in your home. This depends ONLY on the functions of the printer. You don't have to know how to drill the rifling into the barrel anymore, which is one of the most complex workings in a gun. You just go to some website and download the complete thing.

Not today. Not tomorrow. But there is simply no limit to the possible features of future 3D-printers, right?

Originally posted by CaptainBeno
A group of 3-D printing gunsmiths have taken another step toward making a gun you can download off the internet. This weekend, the desktop weaponeers took a partially printed rifle out to test how long its plastic parts survived spewing bullets. The result? Six rounds until it snapped apart.

www.wired.com...


Well, it had to happen sooner rather than later.

Not "loving" guns I think this is a nightmare waiting to happen.

Kids will be "printing" these suckers off and popping down to the local shop to purchase their rounds! Hey, it only takes one in the head to make your point.

What next? 3D printer licences.....um, no.

Haven't read the whole thread. Just popped in to say you're scaremongering. Printing a lower receiver is a WORLD away from printing a barrel and chamber.
-SMH-


ETA: the only polymer that MIGHT withstand the pressure of firing a 7.62x39 round at effective velocities is graphene. Then you would have to rifle it (expensive and complicated machining process, can't be done with a printer, even if you COULD print with graphene) to make it more accurate than a peashooter.

Originally posted by ManFromEurope

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by ManFromEurope
This news is worrying, because of (at least) three points:

(1): You can build a gun for your own.

Have you read any of this thread at all? You can't print a gun, you can only print parts to a gun. You can do the same thing without a 3d printer, so that makes your entire post pointless. How come I don't see you being worried that people are able to smelt metal to make gun parts?

Aaaand this will be so in all of the future? Come on, the problem is that you could DOWNLOAD a file for a weapon in the future. Maybe even manufacture it COMPLETELY in your home. This depends ONLY on the functions of the printer. You don't have to know how to drill the rifling into the barrel anymore, which is one of the most complex workings in a gun. You just go to some website and download the complete thing.

Not today. Not tomorrow. But there is simply no limit to the possible features of future 3D-printers, right?

How is this any different than going to the store and buying ingredients to make bombs? There are directions for how to make them online as well. Or do you really think plastic guns are more dangerous than bombs?

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by ManFromEurope

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by ManFromEurope
This news is worrying, because of (at least) three points:

(1): You can build a gun for your own.

Have you read any of this thread at all? You can't print a gun, you can only print parts to a gun. You can do the same thing without a 3d printer, so that makes your entire post pointless. How come I don't see you being worried that people are able to smelt metal to make gun parts?

Aaaand this will be so in all of the future? Come on, the problem is that you could DOWNLOAD a file for a weapon in the future. Maybe even manufacture it COMPLETELY in your home. This depends ONLY on the functions of the printer. You don't have to know how to drill the rifling into the barrel anymore, which is one of the most complex workings in a gun. You just go to some website and download the complete thing.

Not today. Not tomorrow. But there is simply no limit to the possible features of future 3D-printers, right?

How is this any different than going to the store and buying ingredients to make bombs? There are directions for how to make them online as well. Or do you really think plastic guns are more dangerous than bombs?

edit on 12/5/2012 by bl4ke360 because: (no reason given)

First, I never said anything about the material plastic.

Then, mixing a bomb or simply clicking on "print" are two very different actions..

Third, there is a major difference between a bomb and a gun. How many "bomb-outs" have you heard of lately in the US? And about how many shoot-outs? Driveby-shootings? Murder with guns - or bombs?

Originally posted by ManFromEurope

Then, mixing a bomb or simply clicking on "print" are two very different actions..

It's funny how often ease of use or popularity of access destroys a freedom.

Governments will tout freedom of the press until everyone starts reading then it becomes a liability.

Even very pro-gun people will draw a line when it looks like everyone gets into firearm ownership.

There's always a but isnt there?

It's okay for me but not for you. It's okay for us but not for them. Just look at how no laws or regulations apply to the very wealthy, very powerful or even just the very popular.

Sliding grades are okay for the star quarterback but not for the benchwarmers.

God forbid anyone just be able to click "print" because we all know anyone is a mentally ill psychopath.

I hear all the time that people who own guns are paranoid loons frightened of their neighbors. So what does it say of the man who fears his neighbors computer?

Originally posted by ManFromEurope


Then, mixing a bomb or simply clicking on "print" are two very different actions..

Except when you click print you don't have anything useful by itself, all you have are some plastic parts that you wouldn't have needed the printer for in the first place, and a lot of money in the drain as a result.

Originally posted by CaptainBeno
reply to post by Domo1

 

No, I understand your thoughts.

But, don't you think that this is one thing the world does not need? Sure I get 3D printing but what I'm saying is.................bah, no I can't even be bothered.

I just think printing a bloody gun is bad.

It really gives me the Sh*s to think that anyone can do this.

And sure I get your point about bullets, but anyone can get bullets regardless of age. Really, they can.

Just over guns, that's all.

As the poster above said, "it's the last thing the world needs"

Whinge over.

Notice it was the AR-15 lower reciever. The upper reciever, which is where the barrel and chamber are, was a standard metal one. It had to be, otherwise the "gun" would have detonated on the first shot. Unless they find a way to use this machine with metals or develop a polymer that had the same sort of strength as metal, you don't have to worry about plastic guns being printed out.

Originally posted by ManFromEurope

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by ManFromEurope
This news is worrying, because of (at least) three points:

(1): You can build a gun for your own.

Have you read any of this thread at all? You can't print a gun, you can only print parts to a gun. You can do the same thing without a 3d printer, so that makes your entire post pointless. How come I don't see you being worried that people are able to smelt metal to make gun parts?

Aaaand this will be so in all of the future? Come on, the problem is that you could DOWNLOAD a file for a weapon in the future. Maybe even manufacture it COMPLETELY in your home. This depends ONLY on the functions of the printer. You don't have to know how to drill the rifling into the barrel anymore, which is one of the most complex workings in a gun. You just go to some website and download the complete thing.

Not today. Not tomorrow. But there is simply no limit to the possible features of future 3D-printers, right?

The problem is, that people can and do make their own guns at home now. I know a guy who made several very serviceable F/A Sterlings in his garage. This printer really won't change things much, gun wise, even if they come up with a way to print a materiel strong enough to contain the pressures involved with fireing off a bullet.

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by ManFromEurope

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by ManFromEurope
This news is worrying, because of (at least) three points:

(1): You can build a gun for your own.

Have you read any of this thread at all? You can't print a gun, you can only print parts to a gun. You can do the same thing without a 3d printer, so that makes your entire post pointless. How come I don't see you being worried that people are able to smelt metal to make gun parts?

Aaaand this will be so in all of the future? Come on, the problem is that you could DOWNLOAD a file for a weapon in the future. Maybe even manufacture it COMPLETELY in your home. This depends ONLY on the functions of the printer. You don't have to know how to drill the rifling into the barrel anymore, which is one of the most complex workings in a gun. You just go to some website and download the complete thing.

Not today. Not tomorrow. But there is simply no limit to the possible features of future 3D-printers, right?

The problem is, that people can and do make their own guns at home now. I know a guy who made several very serviceable F/A Sterlings in his garage. This printer really won't change things much, gun wise, even if they come up with a way to print a materiel strong enough to contain the pressures involved with fireing off a bullet.

Yes, there are amateurs building their own guns.

How many are there?

I am not capable to do so, I am sure.

But with the hardware needed (I am thinking about laserpowered process of sintering metal-powder into solid metal 3D-structures, why not?) I too am able to press "print" after downloading a 3D-modell.

Sure, I would still have to buy ammunition, but that should be a minor nuisance, as for example the military is very keen on counting their guns and getting them back in the armory in complete numbers - the ammunition itself isn't monitored as closely, I guess.

Therefore, the buildingplans for working guns running free into the public space for everyone to print out on their futuristic laser-sinter-printers is a very scary thought for me.

Suuuuure, the US-citizens could go into the next supermarket and get a RPG within a week (I am exaggerating, I know).
This is not the case for many other countries, and WE ARE GLAD OF IT.
I have never heard a gunshot in my town (population of about 500.000), ever.