Updated WIKI on Bob Lazar today

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Paid? How much?

Want to see my W-2?

Long live Bob Lazar and S4 !

Originally posted by TauCetixeta
reply to post by draknoir2

 

Paid? How much?

Want to see my W-2?

Long live Bob Lazar and S4 !

Reminds me of a movie I watched the other day. The protagonist's last line was: "Long live the New Flesh".

You can google what happened next.

Originally posted by ProfessorT

Originally posted by Cosmic911
I love how the pro-Lazar camp always resorts to the "shadow government" defense whenever a reasonable and rational explanation isn't available. "Well the government made his records disappear." Or "Well the government erased this....or erased that." How convenient that they don't have to explain anything at all. It's no wonder no one believes any of it. "Well the government created that prostitution pandering charge." Come on, people? Wake up. People who supposedly graduated from MIT and CalTech at the same time, don't end up in obscurity playing with children's chemistry sets in northern Michigan.

Cosmic911, since I have been on this forum I have known you to be a very intelligent member so please do not discredit yourself by pretending you know the facts that many members on this forum are searching for. Just like you have your opinions on Robert Lazar, everyone else has theirs. It is quite possible that Lazar could be making this whole story up but why would he? I don't seem to recall Lazar being paid any sum of money to participate in the interviews he done with George Knapp. Additionally, if this was just about money why haven't we seen him in recent years making outlandish statements like Steven Greer and John Lear?

As far as I am aware Lazar's United Nuclear company is still going strong and he's making a bit of money which may answer my first question.

There are lots of things with Lazar's story that do make you think who do I believe and is this true? The thing which bugs me the most about Lazar's story and the investigation carried out when Lazar opened up a can or worms is why Los Alamos denied Lazar worked there until Knapp found Lazar's number in the directory and he was listed as a Technician? I know Lazar worked as a sub-contractor for Kirk-Mayer so why wasn't this employment listed on Lazar's 1986 bankruptcy paperwork?

The key to this story in my opinion is Dr. Edward Teller. I am 99% certain that he had something to do with Lazar getting the alleged job at S4.

edit on 7-12-2012 by ProfessorT because: (no reason given)

Yes, the topic of Lazar is highly polarized. And we either believe him or we don't. There is no middle ground. However, and this is a Big however, there is a chance that the government used Bob for disclosure; a controlled leak, perhaps. Let's say it's true. I still don't can't see the value or advantage or benefit in doing so. Did they use this as a litmus test to see how the American public would respond? To see if the public would react similar to how it did during the War of the Worlds broadcast by Orsen Wells? Or was there a potential other reasoning? I won't pretend to know the reason. That the government used Bob Lazar is the only explanation my rationale mind will accept. He just doesn't have enough credibility to accept anything else. Anyone with a good understanding of military compartmentalization knows he didn't just waltz in there and they handled over everything the government knows and has collected on extraterrestrials. It just doesn't work that way. Look at the scrunity employees had to endure on projects like the U-2 and SR-71. You work on that piece, I work on this piece...you don't see my piece and I don't see your piece. In fact, some engineers didn't realize what they had worked on until years later. That type of compartmentalization is astounding.

Its easy to understand why Los Alamos would deny that Lazar worked for them, as he was a contract employee through K-M. I know it was Knapp who found Lazar's name in a Los Alamos telephone directory, but has anyone ever seen a copy of this? I don't believe so. Even though Knapp is a reputable reporter, I'd love to see it. I think a lot of people would. As far as his educational credentials, it's difficult to know what's the truth. His timelines do not match up, as he claims he was studying for his M.S. in physics at MIT at the same time studying for his M.S. in electronics at CalTech. This is during a time well before distance-learning or online education.

I'd never pretend to know things I don't; I certainly would never post them or put them in print. Normally I am adamant that all supporting UFO evidence be objective and quantitative. I work in healthcare and medicine is driven heavily by peer-reviewed and evidenced-based studies. Typically the practice of medicine is driven by double-blind placebo-controlled studies. Evidence should be objective, quantitative, never subjective, or retrospective. So for me personally, I have a difficult time with evidence or proof I feel has not been rigorously tested. If not for money, what else could be his motives for telling this story? Well, only Bob knows for certain. Mr. Lazar may not have made millions off his story, but one thing for sure, he is notorious, and his name will forever be synonmous with ufology. That's pretty awesome.

As far as Dr. Edward Teller, I also need to look into him further to make an opinion.

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There are still no common sense answers to this question. Since I've been registered on ATS not a single person has ever offered up a rationale explanation for why Mr. Lazar and Mr. Lear have no video footage of UFOs up at Groom Lake. They are literally giving commentary of the UFOs they see at Groom Lake but no one of them document the experience by filming them, even though they have recording equipment and UFOs!

All that gets documented is John Lear's ginormous head! These are some of the reason neither of them has any credibility.

reply to post by Cosmic911


Reason: Mr. Lazar and Mr. Lear are controlled leaks.

That's why they gave you no video clips. Bob Lazar woke everybody up.
That was 1989.
We had another version of Bob Lazar pop up around November 2005.
His name was Paul Hellyer. (Former Ministry of Defense for Canada)
He informed us that President George W. Bush authorized the construction of
a new U.S. Navy Space Station to be stationed in orbit around the moon.
That will put the U.S. Navy in a better position to keep track of the comings
and goings of visitors from space and to shoot at them if they so decide.

Hint: The Andromeda Council kicked the DEF off of the moon in the year 2002.
The War of Liberation lasted from October 2002 - October 2011.

The DEF and Draco/Hydra Reptilians were also kicked off the Mars moon Phobos.

Interesting update on this case.

Jeremy Corbell used web bots to seek out anyone that may be able to confirm any of Bobs credentials and came across a Dr Robert Krangle. He got in touch and convinced him to do a interview on the record (this is the first time anyone has done so), this guy is legit and all his credentials have been confirmed and what do you know? He knew Bob at Los Alamos (Which the lab denied he worked at).

Listen to the full interview here, really interesting.

www.extraordinarybeliefs.com...

a reply to: Br0ckout

Okay, so we have established the Bob Lazar, at least some people do believe him. So now what? Well let me answer that; I want to be a part of it so whoever you are running this, let me in so that I may find a place to contribute.

a reply to: BlasteR

I still think this post is relevant in 2021.

I searched back and found this after I heard about someone "finding" site S4 in google earth and all the videos about it on youtube recently - by third phase of moon and others.

But wanted to reiterate a couple things that I think are telling.

All the government would need to do to end the debate once and for all is release or even covertly "leak" documents that can refute any one of Bob Lazar's claims.

In my opinion, the fact that they have never done so is an extremely important part of the puzzle when you consider the discussion/debate about Bob in general and doesn't get discussed much.

Instead of publicly or even privately "leaking" documents that would, in essence, end the debate they have privately attacked the man, his history, and even made an attempt on his life (allegedly).

Sounds, I don't know, exactly like something the government would do if they were afraid of what this man knew.

Happy belated 2022 all!

-ChriS

Or the government doesn't care about Bob Lazar, because his lies have no basis in fact and therefore, doesn't pose a threat whatsoever, to anything they are, or were doing. Just another flake.





a reply to: BlasteR

Lazar is such a polarizing topic, as his believers have an almost religious like belief in him and his story.

That said, almost every aspect of his story stretches the boundaries of common logic, and in 2022 can pretty safely be determined to be some clever fiction.

If I've learned anything about Lazar though, it's that trying to convince his hardcore believers that his story is made up is a pointless task....no matter what you show them, or what objective evidence you provide, it's just not enough.

The world would be a lot more fun if his story was true, but sadly what's true and what we want to be true aren't always pairing up.

originally posted by: ProfessorT

Originally posted by Cosmic911
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I disagree. Bob Lazar is a liar. There's a reason no one has stepped forward. Because he never attended MIT. How many MIT physiscs graduates have a record for a pandering charge for doing work at an illegal brothel? Probably nil to none. Lazar has no credibility, in addition to no credentials. The only document he could produce, his forged W-2, listed an agency that doesn't exist The United States Department of Naval Intelligence. There is no such agency. The Office of Naval Intelligence is what he should have listed as his employer. The devil's in the details Bob...

Los Alamos never lied about Lazar working there, this is a common spin that Knapp and Lazar like to use even though it's totally not true.

When contacted to ask about his employment records, Los Alamos replied with a letter stating that they had no record of his direct employment with them, HOWEVER - they did have records of him being a contractor through K/M at the facility (and even included his contractor ID). Knapp conveniently left that out from the get-go to make it seem like Los Alamos totally denied Lazar's existence.

Here's the letter showing exactly that:

imgur.com...

How do you know for a fact that he is lying? Yeah, sure use the small indiscrepancies in Bob Lazar's story in attempt to further discredit him but the fact still remains no-one has been able to debunk his allegations that he worked at Area 51 and this S-4 facility. Now don't get me wrong, I am not battling Lazar's corner because quite frankly there are so many problems with his story that if this were any 'normal' revelation no-one would have take a second glance. I too have looked into Lazar's story over the years albeit very briefly and I have not yet read anything that states categorically that Lazar did not work at Area 51 or S-4. Take into consideration that Los Alamos lied about Lazar working there until they were provided with evidence so what is to say the government is not still covering things up? The truth is no-one knows, no matter how hard we try to be internet experts about Lazar and his claims. I just hope one day we hear from Bob again.

a reply to: BlasteR

All the government would need to do to end the debate once and for all is release or even covertly "leak" documents that can refute any one of Bob Lazar's claims.

The US government is not going to waste time and resources disproving claims by every fantasist and crackpot in America?

The onus is on Lazar and his believers to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he worked on alien spacecraft.

George Knapp has had ample opportunity to deliver on that count.

... Bob said that the key to it was this element 115 he had a piece of it. I saw it in Vegas. He had that piece. I saw the experiment. What happened to it? That's a story for another time. It's in a spot now where nobody could get to it. But it's still there. One of these days maybe after Bob's gone I'll go dig it up...

Why wouldn't he 'go dig it up' with a camera crew, broadcast it all live on TV? Get different labs to test it?

Funnily enough though no pressure is brought down on the likes of Knapp or Lazar to prove anything. Instead the onus is placed on others to prove these fantastic claims aren't true.

a reply to: mirageman

The onus is on Lazar and his believers to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he worked on alien spacecraft.

No argument re that.

a reply to: BlasteR

Yes, I too, have always found it extremely odd that in all these years the US government has never once come out and attempted to discredit Bob Lazar or even say he wasn't where he said he was.

Ironically, the very first year of TTSA the Pentagon came out and attempted to say Lou Elizondo did not do what he said he did only to retract that statement and then admit Lou was who he said he was.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
Friedman doesn't stop at his records. Friedman is a physicist and says Lazar doesn't know things that a physicist would know. So no destruction of records would account for that, only Lazar inflating his background would (or a terrible memory perhaps, but that excuse gets really old).

Friedman was a nuclear physicist. Just because one is a "physicist" doesn't give them the ability to be all knowing about all 3 main branches of physics or the 7 additional sub branches of physics.

That's like saying a software programmer can develop code for anything requiring computer code, which, as you should know little Micky isn't true.

An engineering physicist (Krangle) went on record saying what Lazar discussed in terms of antigravity propulsion, etc. was accurate and was explained properly as well as knowing who he was while he was at Los Alamos and that he knew Lazar to be a physicist.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: BlasteR

The onus is on Lazar and his believers to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he worked on alien spacecraft.

That would hold true if Lazar demanded that people believe him. Then I would agree with you. Going public wasn't even Lazar's idea to begin with.

To the contrary, Lazar has stated multiple times he doesn't care if anyone believes him or not.

a reply to: mirageman

... Bob said that the key to it was this element 115 he had a piece of it. I saw it in Vegas. He had that piece. I saw the experiment. What happened to it? That's a story for another time. It's in a spot now where nobody could get to it. But it's still there. One of these days maybe after Bob's gone I'll go dig it up...

I've been looking for that clip👍

George Knapp has involved himself directly with this case by admitting several things. Claiming to know where 115 is buried and having a copy of the video made by Lazar showing 115 in action. Which Knapp says has been misplaced.

Lazar doesn't have do a thing but pop up every once in a while and have his fans argue for him being truthful. But Knapp being a journalist should have a professional responsibility in reporting everything. He has clearly bought into the same BS that Lazar has sold and it must be $$ driven.

Here's the physical evidence of aliens on Earth, yet no one holds Knapp responsible. Forget Lazar continuing to play this game and people foolishly letting him get away with it. Nothing will come from him. Knapp can publically end speculation but chooses not to.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
Claiming to know where 115 is buried and having a copy of the video made by Lazar showing 115 in action. Which Knapp says has been misplaced.

Corbell's Lazaar doco shows a short section of video of 115 in action bending a light in a cloud chamber, taken from a VCR tape from Lazaar's house which had been taped over but still had 1 minute of the original video on it.

Link to vid excerpt

I personally don't know whether the video shows anything extraordinary or not.

originally posted by: chunder
Corbell's Lazaar doco shows a short section of video of 115 in action bending a light in a cloud chamber

No, it doesn't.

I personally don't know whether the video shows anything extraordinary or not.

If you had read the comments, they would have given you a clue:

Nodis-8 months ago
"According to George Knapp & Jeremy Corbell on the JRE episode, nothing is happening during this sequence ; they just released footage of the cooldown phase of the test."

Stellar Dust-1 year ago
"So this video is not proof... they said it is just a short clip of the end... This doesn't show any light bending unfortunely."

a reply to: chunder

Corbell on what Lazar told him about that tape you linked: video

Jeremy that doesn't show the cool part of the test it's only the cooldown period

It's a lame attempt by Corbell to show through his movie that the tape really exists because they have a portion of it. Knapp chimes in that he was given the full tape but lost it. A full copy of the tape was given to a journalist who didn't make copies but instead misplaces the tape? Something that would make his career and it just was misplaced?
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