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atheists are the most atheistic to Catholicism
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Blue_Jay33
atheists are the most atheistic to Catholicism
Atheists are the most atheistic to Catholicism. I wanted to repeat it to see if it would make more sense. Nope.
Atheists believe in the Catholic version of God the same as they believe in Islam's version of God; not at all.
Originally posted by neo96
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The thing with all religions no one can force another to believe either a person does or they don't, and whether or not atheists like it or not "morality" has a basis in religion.
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Originally posted by undo
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Blue_Jay33
atheists are the most atheistic to Catholicism
Atheists are the most atheistic to Catholicism. I wanted to repeat it to see if it would make more sense. Nope.
Atheists believe in the Catholic version of God the same as they believe in Islam's version of God; not at all.
when you think of an argument against the validity of say, "the mahabharata"? what text do you use for the critical retort? take your time. *jeopardy music*
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
The Jeopardy music is going to be playing for a bit longer because I am not following you. Perhaps you could reiterate your point for me. Paraphrase. And if you don't mind, turn down that music.
Originally posted by WhiteHat
I found that is very hard, if not impossible for people who takes sides to imagine a neutral position. "If you don't believe in God, then in what you believe?" "Do I need to believe in something?" "What, you live just like that, without any belief?" "yep, just like that...."
It happened to me with almost everyone around me. Threads like this is a good example. If you have no belief, then your non-belief is a belief. It amazes them a mind without belief, and it amaze me this need for a belief.
Middle way, people, is the best.edit on 3-12-2012 by WhiteHat because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by undo
papal interpretation of the bible and the papal interpretation of ancient history.
atheists are the most atheistic to Catholicism
Originally posted by StalkerSolent
Now, I don't mean to get us bogged down in a debate about the nature of reality. I just want to point out that you've gotta have faith in something, even if it's faith in the ability of the human race to correctly perceive reality and measure it accurately via science and reason.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by CalebRight14
Atheist are open minded?
Some are.
Some are not.
Atheists are not one group.
Why is this so difficult to grasp
Christians are part of a group that has official reading material and subsequently a whole slew of beliefs and rules. We can judge a Christian on countless things as a result. Since atheism does not have mandated doctrine and rules, the only thing one can say about an atheist is they don't believe in God. That's it. Again I bring up this point. Does this not make sense? I can infer many beliefs and moral opinions knowing someone's a Christian simply because I know they read from the Bible. The religious person cannot infer anything similar from atheists in general since they do not have a Bible of their own. You can't lump atheists together for this reason. Not one group.edit on 3-12-2012 by Lucid Lunacy because: (no reason given)
One universal truth I have found with all atheists they think...
they think they are the more intelligent, enlightened ones.
Even your post smacks of such language. I mean It's simple, why can I not grasp it?
Lumping everyone together that claim the title "follower of Christ" as the same minded is the same as lumping atheists.
any more than you can control the actions of other Atheists...
But somehow it's ok to label me and Group me as a close minded and dumb?
Originally posted by ihavenoaccount
reply to post by CalebRight14
You'd be surprised. There are open-minded atheists out there, and Lucid's actually one of them, from what I've read of his other posts. Sure, he sounds a little short with you now, but this is a very sensitive topic.
There are atheists in this very community who do not accept evolution, and you can find them in the Origins and Creationism forum. Believe me, they do exist. As for all atheists thinking they're the more intelligent and enlightened ones, you couldn't be further from the truth.
For ages I used to struggle with religion, and thought I was really messed up because everyone else around me just seemed to 'get it'. In that vein, I still feel rather spiritually dysfunctional. Certainly don't think I'm a genius either.
Once again, however, it needs to be said: the only thing that all atheists have in common is their lack of belief in God. Some still believe in the metaphysical in another form, several do not accept evolution, some really do believe in a Flat Earth, etc.
Originally posted by delusion
Exactly.
NO belief is true. Ever.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by CalebRight14
One universal truth I have found with all atheists they think...
Universal truth?
One truth I have found with all the atheists I have met myself.
That's as far as you can take that.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
they think they are the more intelligent, enlightened ones.
Some sure. Lots? Probably. Obviously if a religious person thinks he or she is worthy of eternal life over the atheist lots can be said about that! Obviously when a religious person believes they have the sole domain on morality lots can be said about that!
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
Even your post smacks of such language. I mean It's simple, why can I not grasp it?
So because I am befuddled that some are erroneously lumping all atheists into one group, means I believe myself to be more intelligent and enlightened?? Why can't it simply mean I believe myself to be right on a particular point?
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
Lumping everyone together that claim the title "follower of Christ" as the same minded is the same as lumping atheists.
Not same-minded.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
The point is there is something collectively shared that allows them to be put into a group. I can say with certainty someone that claims to follow a religion like Christianity is by proximal reasoning claiming to follow the Christian Bible.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
You cannot with certainty say someone claiming to be an atheist follows any specific book, philosophy, scientific theory, etc. You can surmise many atheists believe XYZ in addition to not believing in God but that is not drawn from atheism. Atheism is simply the non-belief in God. There is no mandated text that would unify them and thus allow them to be grouped.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
Lets take a deist. The deist believes in "God" but like the atheist has no particular doctrine to calls its own. We can't lump all deists together because they draw from a multitude of sources. In fact because of that, many probably vehemently disagree on how each other reached the conclusion of God's existence. Whereas, someone can say the Mormon reached it through faith in their scripture.
Originally posted by Bluesma
Originally posted by delusion
Exactly.
NO belief is true. Ever.
I don't know about that....
Some people have beliefs about the make up of an atom (and that atoms exist) despite never having seen one themselves, never having witnessed any evidence that they actually exist.
They were just told that by people who claimed to have seen such evidence, and they put faith in them, as they considered them authorities in that area.
Some beliefs might be true. Belief and faith is very necessary when it comes to areas of knowledge in which one does not have direct access to themself.