The "I Told You So" Thread You May Never Read!

reply to post by stereologist


You don't get it... Waters had connections with native Americans, INCLUDING HOPI... which is where he got that information...

But like always you try to blah blah blah, blah blah, blah blah...

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reply to post by ElectricUniverse


That is not the truth. The comet was yellowish to the human eye. The emissions you refer to are not the same as the color seen by the eye.

I already posted what an astronomer observed. This article you refer to does not describe the main signal an observer sees.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


That has no bearing on the issue. The Hopi themselves dismiss what you claim.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

Oh and btw, the comet was faint, but it could be seen with the NAKED EYE. But you try again to lie through your teeth like you know very well how to do...

I very clearly posted that the comet was yellow as seen by the unaided eye of a comet observer.

Not sure why you are so mistaken -- again.

Yes, it was yellow, and even when it shone blue and green it had SOME yellow, but it shone BLUE AND GREEN, and in other bluish colors when the event occurred...

False. There are two sources of light from the comet. One is reflected sunlight. That is the main signal. A small and nearly undetectable signal that tough equipment hours to collect was the emission due to excitation of material from the comet. That signal is not detectable by the unaided human eye.

And who is trying to hide the truth in their links? This from your Swedish link.

The color of the inner coma was brownish yellowish gray, very strange and unusual.

Yellow color, stellar.

So there is no magnetic reversal....or solar craziness, or anything..

So nothing special about today or these times, besides what we make of it.

We need to look at the next doom and gloom scenario with a grain of salt.

This is the only thread I will post something like this. I hope we have learned something. If next time you are not sure of something then please just read as much as you can on it, not into it.

We all make mistakes, I do all the time. I hope you all can move on and simply not repeat these sorts of errors.

People have died because they couldn’t bear to deal with the end. They could be here with us now. Be the voice of reason next time and nip doom porn in the bud. It has real consequences.

That said, HOORAY FOR today!

We are all not dead! We have not morphed into mighty power rangers of light and love, but that just means we can work on our improvement as a species day by day, little by little and take some credit for our progress instead of assigning it to some obscure galactic alignment, or some groovy vibrational harmonics from the universe. We get to be the source of change, little old us. Reality doesn’t have to suck. We CAN make it better.

We just have to put our faith in it over everything else that just sounds good. Work the problem people. Work it.

See ya next end of days!, and the day after.....

Celebrate today and the little things....go get some Mc Donald’s....you survived, you deserve it. No hunting and cave living in a post apocalyptic world for you...

Knock off the back and forth insults or Post Bans may follow.

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Originally posted by stereologist

That is not the truth. The comet was yellowish to the human eye. The emissions you refer to are not the same as the color seen by the eye.

I already posted what an astronomer observed. This article you refer to does not describe the main signal an observer sees.

That is what is not true...
The comet was seen BEFORE the event mostly in yellow, but as the event occurred it changed colors to bluish.

I posted how several people saw the comet, and they all say it was bluish-gray to bluish green.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

That is what is not true...
The comet was seen BEFORE the event mostly in yellow, but as the event occurred it changed colors to bluish.

I posted how several people saw the comet, and they all say it was bluish-gray to bluish green.

You posted one comment from an unsubstantiated source.

Real astronomers posted that it was yellow in color and they did that over the course of the viewing.

Take a glow in the dark toy. When light shines on the toy it often appears to be a dull yellow color. When the lights are off it appears to be green. The toy glows green at all times, but the reflected light is so much stronger that the reflected signal swamps the emission signal.

That is what happens with comets. Any emitted signal due to excitation of the gasses in the envelope is swamped by the reflected sunlight. The reason astronomers bother to do what your article stated is that the reflected sunlight and the emitted signal report different aspects of the comet.

Although the comet was clearly a yellow object in the sky there was more to learn by using other imaging modalities. Why was it yellow in appearance? We have a yellow star and the particles reflected that signal back to us.

Astronomers used blue filters to increase the contrast of the comet. Why use blue? A blue filter on a blue object does not make the blue object easier to see. A blue filter with a yellow object does increase the contrast.

Very dim objects can appear to be bluer than they actually are. This is due to the human eye. Maybe your single viewer that reported blue had a poor viewing or was more susceptible to the Purkinje effect. The comet was reported as yellow because that is how the human eye detected that comet.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I know this is a bit late. I just saw this post. It's true that Waters had unprecedented access to the Hopi. However when he relates the Blue Kachina prophecy he is quoting a story that came from a white man. If everything else Waters wrote came from the Hopi why would he need to go to a non-Hopi source for this prophecy?

reply to post by honested3


Actually my prophicy of the 21st is coming true.

The day will start out dark, then become light then followed by dark once again.

Has anyone realised that each day has 24 hours in it and the time stated there is an AM as well as a PM. Folks the day is not over yet. So who really knows what will happen. In other words, Don`t count your chickens before they hatch.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


You are just making a claim without any real proof of it. Waters was known not only for his fiction but for publishing books with native American knowledge. His father was native American, which allowed him to have an open door to sources people like you will never have.

You keep forgetting that there are MANY hopi elders, yet you want to use what one, or two claim, despite the fact that not all Hopi had the same knowledge, just like in today's world a layman has no, or very limited knowledge about science.

The Hopi prophecy doesn't say "the world will end on December 21st... I have been posting this fact for years, yet people like yourself want to twist the truth and claim that because New Agers have been misusing this prophecy, that it isn't true.

One of the warnings was that in this time many people would go crazy, and take a look around you... All these people killing each other, their children, and other innocents like never before. You might want to claim "it has to do with how many people are today", but in fact it doesn't.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

One of the warnings was that in this time many people would go crazy, and take a look around you...

Are you implying that this sort of thing has never happened (I assume you are talking about the shooting)? I see nothing special about the world today that makes this prophecy applicable. MIND YOU, I have never said it is impossible and BS. I question the source, but lets say the source had its own vision or did accurately convey the prophecy. I think it is not pertaining to our time, if any that we should be concerned with.

People were arguably crazier and more violent in the medieval times or at any point before the advent of modern science and medicine.

The Hopi may have said people will go crazy, but what we have today is not exactly out of the norm.
I just don’t see why you have to be so matter of fact and adamant that this prophecy is relating to our times. History teaches us that the world goes on no matter how much evidence we can or want to see.

The “Mayan prophecy” came and went. Why not just admit your human inability to know for sure.

Originally posted by stereologist

That is not the truth. The comet was yellowish to the human eye. The emissions you refer to are not the same as the color seen by the eye.
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I posted this before but it was deleted.

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071230.87 - G 4.3 TK E 1 A Nyholm
071230.87 - 5.0 B - 10 60 A Nyholm

Comments: Visible to the unaided eye, but easy to miss at a quick glance.
Appears nebulous and elongated (rather elliptical), with a slight
blue-grey hue, in binoculars. Almost no structure visible in the coma in
binouculars. The comet and M34 made a pretty pair in binoculars. No
clouds, good transparency. No moon. Magnitude reference objects: Kappa
Persei and 32 Persei. Site: Everöd, Sweden
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071212.84 - G 3.9 SC E 1 A Nyholm
071212.84 - 5.0 B - 7 45 A Nyholm

Comments: Visible to the naked eye, but hard to see without indirect
viewing. Appears extended and nebulous in binoculars. Shows a slightly
elliptical shape and a slight blue-grey hue, with a brighter area towards
the center (about 1/4 of the apparent diameter, but indistinct) in
binoculars. The star HD 18768 was visible through the coma in binoculars.
No clouds, good transparency. No moon. Magnitude reference objects: Kappa
Persei and Iota Persei. Site: Lund, Sweden
...
071112.76 - G 3.5 SC E 1 A Nyholm
071112.76 - 5.0 B - 7 25 A Nyholm

Comments: Easily visible to the naked eye, appears slightly extended
(especially apparent with indirect viewing). Appears round in binoculars,
with no tail visible. Shows a slight blue-green hue, with a brighter area
towards the center (about 1/2 of the apparent diameter, rather
indistinct). A star visible through the outer coma with indirect viewing
in binoculars. No clouds, good transparency. No moon. Magnitude reference
objects: Delta Persei and Psi Persei. Site: Lund, Sweden
...
071110.99 - G 3.0 SC E 1 A Nyholm
071110.99 - 5.0 B - 7 21 A Nyholm

Comments: Easily visible to the naked eye, appears slightly extended.
Appears round in binoculars, with no tail visible. Shows a slight
blue-green hue, with a brighter area towards the center (about 1/2 of the
apparent diameter). No clouds, good transparency. No moon. Magnitude
reference objects: Delta Persei and Psi Persei. Site: Lund, Sweden
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www.saaf.se...

People saw it in various colors of blue-grey to blue-green... It also depends on where you were.

If you were close to a city it was harder for you to see, but would have been seen if you tried to look for it, if you lived out in the woods it was clearly seen.

Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
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The “Mayan prophecy” came and went. Why not just admit your human inability to know for sure.

The Mayan/Hopi prophecy was NEVER about December 21st 2012 being the end of the world... That claim was made by you, and New Agers...

I love it how you people twist the truth because you can't even fathom that you have no control whatsoever with your lives, or the world...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Even if you are right about the color, what exactly is the absolute evidence that this comet is what the prophecy is referring to. Can it not be something else?

You went on before about solar flares and a magnetic pole shift. What exactly does that have to do with the prophecy? Did the prophecy say that would happen?

I think you REALLY want to make this prophecy to be valid and applicable to our times, your time. The years you have spent talking about it wont let you simply say, "you know what, maybe I was wrong"....

How could we think less of you for just admitting your lack of absolute concrete evidence?

Why go through all this? I just dont see the point.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


what?

I said it was a lie.

You said the Maya and Hopi are even related and that what one said validated the other....

You said that their prophecies reinforced each other and validated each other. That they were talking about the same "times.

The Mayan calendar ends the 21st. You said the Mayans like the Hopi predicted troubling times at the end of their calendar. You said the Hopi had a similar sense of time as the Maya. If the Maya "supposedly" claimed Armageddon at the end of the baktun, then the Hopi supposedly said the same according to you.

Now you change the story....

EDIT:
Just admit it, you may have been wrong.

Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
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The Mayan calendar ends the 21st. You said the Mayans like the Hopi predicted troubling times at the end of their calendar. You said the Hopi had a similar sense of time as the Maya. If the Maya "supposedly" claimed Armageddon at the end of the baktun, then the Hopi supposedly said the same according to you.

Now you change the story....

EDIT:
Just admit it, you may have been wrong.

edit on 23-12-2012 by zedVSzardoz because: (no reason given

BS... You need to learn some reading comprehension... SHOW ME where I wrote the world was ending on December 21st 2012...

SHOW ME...

You are twisting what I actually wrote because you haven't even taken the time to properly read my responses, and you want me to accept your misconstrued lies about what I wrote?...

You twist what i wrote and you want me to admit to YOUR lies?... Are you out of your mind?... extra DIV