Just now on Fox News, Vaccines cause Autism *LIVE*

reply to post by Pardon?


Vaccines are just classic placebo's.

However for those of you who experience a brain fog from those vaccines, you might want to try Procera (AVH).

www.proceraavh.com...

There is a possibility this may help children with autism spectrum.

Ginko Biloba and Melatonin would also be beneficial in ASD cases.

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by Pardon?

 

Vaccines are just classic placebo's.

However for those of you who experience a brain fog from those vaccines, you might want to try Procera (AVH).

www.proceraavh.com...

There is a possibility this may help children with autism spectrum.

Ginko Biloba and Melatonin would also be beneficial in ASD cases.

edit on 3-12-2012 by VeritasAequitas because: (no reason given)

If anything's a placebo, certainly the "wonder drug" you've spammed, er sorry, linked to is.
Looking at the website it seems that there actually more emphasis on testimonials than proper clinical evidence which is ALWAYS a warning sign.
Certainly the "clinical" evidence I've found is spurious to say the least. I'd personally call the evidence inconclusive and of very poor quality.

I believe that vaccinations and autism are related. I've had this argument on ATS so many times before, but I'll stick to my guns. I worked with mentally retarded and autistic people as an intake worker, it was my job to read their medical reports, and I read hundreds of them.

Without fail, the reports all stated that, after the toddler vaccinations, the children lost whatever ability they had to smile, communicate, walk, talk, etc. It is one of the questions the diagnosing physician asks when doing the work-up: Did the autistic symptoms occur AFTER the toddler series of vaccinations? The answer was always invariably yes.

For those of you who worship science and "peer-reviewed" studies, you had better pull your head out of the sand and see who is really behind what gets published, and what doesn't. What gets funded as research, and what doesn't....and who is pulling the purse strings for research grants.

The pharmaceutical companies are not only large-scale contributors to all the major medical colleges, but they fund the testing and research into these areas. They have their hands so deeply into the CDC and the FDA, it appears to be one and the same entity.

Science and peer-reviewed studies have been hijacked by financial interests. One cannot rely on what is put out as "fact" anymore, sorry to say. Researchers can have their funding pulled, future grants denied, and publishing of studies denied if they do not tow the line.

Science, when it comes to human health, has been corrupted by blind greed. We have to go beyond assuming that it is the definitive answer for the many ills that are striking us down, from babyhood into old age, and start using our own research skills (as in, meta-analysis of all material available) to form an opinion.

Anecdotal evidence goes a long way, do not discount it because it hasn't been published in a journal of medical science.

We're going through a heavy "soft kill" here, folks. If you refuse to see it, you are indeed blind.

Here's my problem with this, since I have a 5 year old boy with Autism.

A. The school won't allow you to register your child unless they have the required shots. So, I don't know how anyone's going to school for the parents who didn't get their children vaccinated. B. I don't think it's the shots themselves causing the Autism, I think it's giving too many shots at one sitting that causes an immuno responsive to their little bodies. That is the research that's being done, not the content, but the quantity.

We are from TX. We moved to WA in 2010. When my son started kindergarden, the school nurse here in WA said they found it interesting my son had 2 extra shots at age 3 before he needed them. He seemed "normal" and attentive up until that age. Now he's all over the place and can't focus.

I present this challenge to you, ATS members. If you are a parent of an autistic child who HAS NOT BEEN IMMUNIZED, please post here. I don't think I've ever been in contact with such a person ever.

As far as immunizations are concerned, I do not partake in the practice and will not subject my children to the risks of such outlandish Mithridatic notions.

Originally posted by azrael36

Just now on Fox News, Vaccines cause Autism *LIVE*

Just now while watching Fox News, The guest made the claim that vaccines are a large cause of autism, CDC can not deny it at congressional hearings

(visit the link for the full news article)

Please provide a link with evidence that vaccines cause autism. Please make sure it's from a credible source. I've researched this topic at length, and have found zero evidence that vaccines cause autism. However, there is plenty of evidence to discredit this claim.

The best piece of evidence is that rates of autism is the same for vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals:

The first Taylor paper In 1999, Brent Taylor and coworkers examined the relationship between receipt of MMR and development of autism in an excellent, well-controlled study. Taylor examined the records of 498 children with autism or autism-like disorder. Cases were identified by registers from the North Thames region of England before and after the MMR vaccine was introduced into the United Kingdom in 1988. Taylor then examined the incidence and age at diagnosis of autism in vaccinated and unvaccinated children. He found the following: (1) the percentage of children vaccinated was the same in children with autism as in other children in the North Thames region; (2) no difference in the age of diagnosis of autism was found in vaccinated and unvaccinated children; and (3) the onset of "regressive" symptoms of autism did not occur within two, four, or six months of receiving the MMR vaccine.

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Originally posted by FissionSurplus
I believe that vaccinations and autism are related. I've had this argument on ATS so many times before, but I'll stick to my guns. I worked with mentally retarded and autistic people as an intake worker, it was my job to read their medical reports, and I read hundreds of them.

Without fail, the reports all stated that, after the toddler vaccinations, the children lost whatever ability they had to smile, communicate, walk, talk, etc. It is one of the questions the diagnosing physician asks when doing the work-up: Did the autistic symptoms occur AFTER the toddler series of vaccinations? The answer was always invariably yes.

For those of you who worship science and "peer-reviewed" studies, you had better pull your head out of the sand and see who is really behind what gets published, and what doesn't. What gets funded as research, and what doesn't....and who is pulling the purse strings for research grants.

The pharmaceutical companies are not only large-scale contributors to all the major medical colleges, but they fund the testing and research into these areas. They have their hands so deeply into the CDC and the FDA, it appears to be one and the same entity.

Science and peer-reviewed studies have been hijacked by financial interests. One cannot rely on what is put out as "fact" anymore, sorry to say. Researchers can have their funding pulled, future grants denied, and publishing of studies denied if they do not tow the line.

Science, when it comes to human health, has been corrupted by blind greed. We have to go beyond assuming that it is the definitive answer for the many ills that are striking us down, from babyhood into old age, and start using our own research skills (as in, meta-analysis of all material available) to form an opinion.

Anecdotal evidence goes a long way, do not discount it because it hasn't been published in a journal of medical science.

We're going through a heavy "soft kill" here, folks. If you refuse to see it, you are indeed blind.

Anecdotal evidence is all very well in the absence of true clinical studies but where clinical studies prove the opposite of the anecdotes I know which one I will go with.
The fact you stated "you'll stick to your guns" means you've made your mind up regardless of the evidence presented. The fact that you call people "mentally retarded" tells me quite a bit too.
I've never known any paediatrician to ask whether symptoms occurred after the vaccines. And quite frankly I don't think any actually would.
Autism's generally not diagnosed until age 2 or 3 years old so of course the diagnosis is just after the vaccines. In virtually every diagnosis that will,be the case. As I've said, 2+2 does not equal potato.

The rest of your post is just conspitorial nonsense, sorry.

Originally posted by FissionSurplus
I believe that vaccinations and autism are related. I've had this argument on ATS so many times before, but I'll stick to my guns. I worked with mentally retarded and autistic people as an intake worker, it was my job to read their medical reports, and I read hundreds of them.

Without fail, the reports all stated that, after the toddler vaccinations, the children lost whatever ability they had to smile, communicate, walk, talk, etc. It is one of the questions the diagnosing physician asks when doing the work-up: Did the autistic symptoms occur AFTER the toddler series of vaccinations? The answer was always invariably yes.

For those of you who worship science and "peer-reviewed" studies, you had better pull your head out of the sand and see who is really behind what gets published, and what doesn't. What gets funded as research, and what doesn't....and who is pulling the purse strings for research grants.

The pharmaceutical companies are not only large-scale contributors to all the major medical colleges, but they fund the testing and research into these areas. They have their hands so deeply into the CDC and the FDA, it appears to be one and the same entity.

Science and peer-reviewed studies have been hijacked by financial interests. One cannot rely on what is put out as "fact" anymore, sorry to say. Researchers can have their funding pulled, future grants denied, and publishing of studies denied if they do not tow the line.

Science, when it comes to human health, has been corrupted by blind greed. We have to go beyond assuming that it is the definitive answer for the many ills that are striking us down, from babyhood into old age, and start using our own research skills (as in, meta-analysis of all material available) to form an opinion.

Anecdotal evidence goes a long way, do not discount it because it hasn't been published in a journal of medical science.

We're going through a heavy "soft kill" here, folks. If you refuse to see it, you are indeed blind.

So your saying that "evidence" and "science" cannot be trusted? Rather we should trust reports from parents?

We can't approach problems like this blindly. We shouldn't be recklessly abandoning vaccines because "we're pretty sure they cause autism." Have you looked at any of the evidence to the contrary? Much of the evidence based research is peer reviewed. That means that many independent individuals throughout the world have reviewed, recreated, and confirmed their research. It would be impossible to stage such a large scale world wide conspiracy.

One thing about noticing autism after about 1 year of age...The effects of autism don't become obvious until about 1 year of age. Children generally get the MMR at 1 year of age. Just because it appears they cause autism doesn't mean they do. In other words, correlation does not equal causation.

Just like every other disease pathology, we have created better means at DETECTING disease and diagnosing. I don't believe the vaccine theories. I believe we are just better at diagnosing autism. Decades ago a person would have been labeled mentally retarded or ADHD, or lumped into another category that contains neuro-pathologic disease.

Kids are also diagnosed with other behavioral problems round 2 years old. Does this mean vaccines are linked to them too?

Throwing science away in favor of a Fox News report may be more dangerous than Small Pox. C'mon, ATS. We all know vaccines are far from perfect, as they can cause immuno problems or seizures, but there is still zero evidence at a link between them and Autism.


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I love how the people who want to deny the truth choose their words carefully and state that vaccines don't cause autism. This is true. Vaccines do not cause autism. Only the thimerosal (mercury) in the vaccines is capable of causing the brain damage known as autism. The deniers LOVE to use the MMR argument since they are well aware that Dr Wakefield never stated that the MMR vaccine causes autism. He only stated that it caused bowel disease in autistic children. Both sides of propaganda wizards thus love to use this argument so they can avoid the real argument, thimerosal.
We had vaccines for 133 years before thimerosal was added in 1931 and, in all that time, nobody ever reported a kid who spun around in circles all day, never made eye contact with anyone, bashed his head through walls, screamed in pain, smeared feces and never learned to do anything useful on any level. Nobody ever saw a child like that until Kanner was asked to evaluate some of them who had all been born in 1931 or later.
NH and MS had zero cases of autism in 1993 but had cases in the hundreds in 1994 among three year olds who had received the HepB vaccine in 1991, the first year it was given on the day of birth, before babies had a blood brain barrier.
In 2000, we began using chelation to remove mercury from the brain and these heretofore uncurable autistic kids started to be cured. That's really all you need to know but the deniers always ask for studies done by drug companies before they will believe any experience from parents of autistic kids who reversed the malpractice of the pediatricians.

Thimerosal permits multi-dose vaccines. Thimerosal-free vaccines are single-dose. If the the syringes are being thrown after each use then it makes no sense to me why vaccines aren't packaged as single-dose and thimerosal-free per syringe.
I'm certain someone will "correct" me here shortly.

Originally posted by bettwice33
I love how the people who want to deny the truth choose their words carefully and state that vaccines don't cause autism. This is true. Vaccines do not cause autism. Only the thimerosal (mercury) in the vaccines is capable of causing the brain damage known as autism. The deniers LOVE to use the MMR argument since they are well aware that Dr Wakefield never stated that the MMR vaccine causes autism. He only stated that it caused bowel disease in autistic children. Both sides of propaganda wizards thus love to use this argument so they can avoid the real argument, thimerosal.
We had vaccines for 133 years before thimerosal was added in 1931 and, in all that time, nobody ever reported a kid who spun around in circles all day, never made eye contact with anyone, bashed his head through walls, screamed in pain, smeared feces and never learned to do anything useful on any level. Nobody ever saw a child like that until Kanner was asked to evaluate some of them who had all been born in 1931 or later.
NH and MS had zero cases of autism in 1993 but had cases in the hundreds in 1994 among three year olds who had received the HepB vaccine in 1991, the first year it was given on the day of birth, before babies had a blood brain barrier.
In 2000, we began using chelation to remove mercury from the brain and these heretofore uncurable autistic kids started to be cured. That's really all you need to know but the deniers always ask for studies done by drug companies before they will believe any experience from parents of autistic kids who reversed the malpractice of the pediatricians.

I apply what I know to the thiomersal as well.
There's absolutely no proof that thiomersal is linked to autism. Full stop.

There are plenty of cases of autism throughout history, have a look around. Just because it wasn't named then doesn't mean it wasn't there. Naturally this doesn't fit with your agenda though so it's ignored.

Your statement about Wakefield is pure fabrication. He stated (in the Lancet, look it up if you will) that there was a causal link with the vaccine, bowel disease and "developmental regression". He repeated this on more than one occasion.
He later retracted this and stated that there was no causal link at all.

My guess is you eschew studies since there are none in favour of your extremely dangerous practice of dmsa chelation.
As well as having no studies to back up this method, you also have no evidence whatsoever to say it helps autism in any way, shape or form.
I'm positive you can provide testimonies though...

You're promoting dangerous quack medicine.

Originally posted by bettwice33
I love how the people who want to deny the truth choose their words carefully and state that vaccines don't cause autism. This is true. Vaccines do not cause autism. Only the thimerosal (mercury) in the vaccines is capable of causing the brain damage known as autism. The deniers LOVE to use the MMR argument since they are well aware that Dr Wakefield never stated that the MMR vaccine causes autism. He only stated that it caused bowel disease in autistic children. Both sides of propaganda wizards thus love to use this argument so they can avoid the real argument, thimerosal.
We had vaccines for 133 years before thimerosal was added in 1931 and, in all that time, nobody ever reported a kid who spun around in circles all day, never made eye contact with anyone, bashed his head through walls, screamed in pain, smeared feces and never learned to do anything useful on any level. Nobody ever saw a child like that until Kanner was asked to evaluate some of them who had all been born in 1931 or later.
NH and MS had zero cases of autism in 1993 but had cases in the hundreds in 1994 among three year olds who had received the HepB vaccine in 1991, the first year it was given on the day of birth, before babies had a blood brain barrier.
In 2000, we began using chelation to remove mercury from the brain and these heretofore uncurable autistic kids started to be cured. That's really all you need to know but the deniers always ask for studies done by drug companies before they will believe any experience from parents of autistic kids who reversed the malpractice of the pediatricians.

Thank you for the clarification. I too am guilty of not clarifying my statement about "vaccines" and the mercury base. Star for you.

Originally posted by Socrato
I must have gotten mild autism from the vaccines they force you to take in the Army.

One of the stupidest things ever said on ATS.
autism is a developmental disease. meaning it only effects children, and adults aren't going to suddenly develop it.


Someone said this on Fox News....it must be true!!!!

or maybe something else is causing the autism???

Because EVERYONE is getting vaccinated, yet only a fraction of the population is getting autism. It doesn't matter if it's increasing....it's still not nearly enough people to say that vaccinations cause autism.
I've looked at the evidence that people use to say vaccines cause autism. It's TERRIBLE evidence with so many holes.

@Pardon?, Anyone who claims chelation is dangerous and calls it quack medicine has a dishonest agenda. Chelation is the only way to cure autism. DMSA only removes mercury from the body though so you have to use ALA to remove it from the brain.

I'm not about to get into some thread derailing argument regarding any studies. The fact is that we knew the truth from Verstraeten in 1999 and the drug companies and the CDC have been trying to cover up the truth ever since. So, why don't you explain why you are here trying to deny the truth?

Originally posted by bettwice33
@Pardon?, Anyone who claims chelation is dangerous and calls it quack medicine has a dishonest agenda. Chelation is the only way to cure autism. DMSA only removes mercury from the body though so you have to use ALA to remove it from the brain.

I'm not about to get into some thread derailing argument regarding any studies. The fact is that we knew the truth from Verstraeten in 1999 and the drug companies and the CDC have been trying to cover up the truth ever since. So, why don't you explain why you are here trying to deny the truth?

Ah, typical quack response.
Get in with the accusations. State there's a cover-up of the truth. Try to distract.
Classic behaviour.

There is no link with mercury and autism.
Here's a study published in JAAP in 2010 some 11years after Verstraeten's.

pediatrics.aappublications.org...

Essentially this was the cumulattion of several studies all stating the same thing.
The link between mercury and autism has been soundly discredited.
And you won't get into a debate over studies as you have none to back your claims up (another quack trait) as if you had you would be putting them in a 50pt bold font.
I am very open-minded though so provide me with the irrefutable proof that your method works and I'll happily change what I know.

So by definition, if you're promoting and using a method, chelation, which in itself is certainly not risk-free, for something that it will do nothing for makes it dangerous.
And if you carry on promoting it even when it has been proved not to have any effect then it's quack medicine.

So the reason I'm here is stop people like you promoting fake cures.

Forgive me, but I was under the impression that autism spectrum disorders were an inborn trait that can be inherited from one's parents. There is no damage; the brain is merely wired differently. I think people are confusing autism with mental retardation.

Originally posted by azrael36


This is something that we here at ATS and fellow travellers in the conspiracy world have been saying for years! The claim that multiple doses of vaccines 6-9 at a time can practically cause Autism overnight! The Thimerasol (mercury) in vaccines are causing the ever increasingly large numbers of cases of autism every year! The vaccines are required for children to attend public school, we are destroying our children! Wake Up People!!! Stop Thimerasol poisoning!


(visit the link for the full news article)

I believe that the toxins in vaccines, coupled iwth genetic predisposition are a big cause of autism, but...some facts:

There is no thimerosol in most vaccines. That doesn't mean there aren't toxins. In fact, vaccines work because of adjuvants - toxins included as part of the vaccine to illicit an immune system response. Claiming thimerosol in vaccines causes autism in children, however, only helps vaccine defenders' case, because there ISN'T ANY THIMEROSOL IN THEM!

Mercury IS in most influenza vaccines still.

Only about 1% of people fall ill with influenza annually. A much higher number of people get "flu-like symptoms/flu-like illnesses" which are not causes by the influenza virus. This explains why the rate of "flu-like illnesses" in those who receive the vaccine is almost the same as the rate for those who do not receive the vaccine. IT ISN'T INFLUENZA MAKING MOST OF THE SICK PEOPLE SICK!!