Someone at WikiLeaks Discussion Forum has very robust material and documented evidence of UFO lies.

Originally posted by jjsirius
reply to post by IsaacKoi

 

anonfiles.com...
Is this a hoax?

That's one of the "government" documents I had in mind.

Most researchers (including MANY of the researchers that are pro-ETH or "believers" - not just skeptics) consider the SOM1-01 manual to be a hoax, for reasons that have been spelt out at length on ATS and elsewhere.

A Google search on "som1-01 hoax", or a similar search on ATS, will turn up many relevant discussions.

I could post a summary of the better reasons for concluding that document is a hoax, but I'd be reinventing the wheel.

reply to post by IsaacKoi


If everyone declares it a hoax it is a hoax.
I don't think it is.
Perhaps the poster at WikiLeaks feels the same way.

reply to post by IsaacKoi


can you provide links??

Hi, I just want to say that there was a thread here on ATS with links to the Wikileaks UFO files, I can't find it now. It got lost under all the bogus threads about this.

From memory I can tell you there were 5 links, 2 were not about UFOs.

# 1. Was just some country saying they no longer investigate UFOs and Healers.
# 2. Was some politician saying he was angry that his country was acting as if they don't exist.
# 3. This was titled " Cloning " First cloned baby born, nicknamed Eve.
A man claiming to have a French mother and an Alien father.
We were created by aliens in a lab 25,000 years ago.

I think that was about it, if you want to find the thread it was not in the UFO forum.
The thread was at the time this all came out, it didn't get past 2 pages.

reply to post by PieceOfThePuzzle


I saw something last night but I don't think it was a ufo or even flying at all... It was most likely a star but it was blinking like crazy and flashing blue, red and white... It was at about midnight last night... I thought maybe it could be the space station or something? I filmed it with my crappy android phone and I did catch it going blue and red and the crazy blinking...

I know it was not a plane, it was so quite out and anyway I filmed it, went into my garage to look for something which took maybe 5 minutes, came back out and it was in the same place... I never saw it move so that is why I'm thinking star or space station or a planet? It was pretty mad, I filmed a near by star to show the difference, it was not blinking. I have seen twinkling stars before but this looked too rapid and the blue and red flashes were really noticeable to the eye. I caught it on the video too...

Originally posted by LEL01
Hi, I just want to say that there was a thread here on ATS with links to the Wikileaks UFO files, I can't find it now. It got lost under all the bogus threads about this.

From memory I can tell you there were 5 links, 2 were not about UFOs.

# 1. Was just some country saying they no longer investigate UFOs and Healers.
# 2. Was some politician saying he was angry that his country was acting as if they don't exist.
# 3. This was titled " Cloning " First cloned baby born, nicknamed Eve.
A man claiming to have a French mother and an Alien father.
We were created by aliens in a lab 25,000 years ago.

I think that was about it, if you want to find the thread it was not in the UFO forum.
The thread was at the time this all came out, it didn't get past 2 pages.

are you sure it didnt get "closed" or "deleted"? you know how some things go around these parts...

reply to post by beatbox

Yes I'm quite sure it just got burried under the other threads that had no real infomation in them. I was lurking, I almost joined back then because of it but I wasn't ready for that yet.

reply to post by LEL01


found this article from 2003

www.foxnews.com...

he head of the company that claims to have created the first human clone appeared in court Wednesday and insisted under oath that the baby exists and is in Israel. Read more: www.foxnews.com...

Boisselier said she had seen the child, nicknamed Baby Eve by the company, only on videotape before the parents cut off contact with her last week. The company said it has since cloned two more babies, but has not provided any proof of their existence. Read more: www.foxnews.com...

reply to post by IsaacKoi


Here's some more fake stuff.

Name: Headquarters Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit, Scientific and Technical Branch, Counter Intelligence Directorate

Description: Leaked document dated 3rd July - 6th July 1947.

anonfiles.com...

reply to post by beatbox


Thankyou for that, I never expected to get more information on that, so there have been 3 cloned babies.

"Clonaid claimed last week that a third cloned child, a boy, had been born in Japan. It said clone No. 2, a girl, was born to a Dutch lesbian Jan. 3."

I do remember Assange never said there was a lot UFO stuff just references to them. The cloning stuff was not expected in with UFO stuff.
I don't know if this will help but the links were to Aftenpost a Dutch newspaper.

reply to post by IsaacKoi


One more opinion on the MJ-12 manuel.

books.google.com... Ne&sig=c6N2UGF79sDujNcXYcORFrRAfBE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Wfy4UJTNN4vRqwGLvYDIAQ&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=the%20special%20committee%20on%20non-terrestrial%2 0science%20and%20technology&f=false

Wow, great collection of documents and videos. Star and flag. Thanks!

reply to post by Jchristopher5


You're very welcome.
I think the author is genuine and his contribution certainly involved a lot of time and work.

Science of lies

As an example to help understand and give you a basis to work from look at the following scenario.

A mother and child are in a room, mother has a bag of sweats and puts a sweat on the table in front of child. Mother says to child "I am going to leave the room and if the sweat is still here when I get back you can have another", child agrees. Mother leaves the room and child eats the sweat, mother comes back into the room and the sweat is gone. Mother asks child "did you eat the sweat", child replies "no I did not eat the sweat" knowing that child really did eat the sweat. Because child wants another sweat child continues to lie even though child knows the truth.

Take scenario 2, husband cheats on wife and wife thinks something is going on. Wife asks husband "are you cheating", husband replies "no I would never do that, I love you", knowing he is cheating, but because he wants more he continues to lie.

Now understand people who have become aware of lies as a tool, add religion, job title, motive, time period and remove conscious emotion such as guilt and shame. Now its time to look at the evidence, this information is written in chronological order (the order in which it happened)

Great Satan has many other sides to be called perfect great satan.

It has been how they have attacked and invaded countries based on repeating their lies.

But I believe that there are supernatural things helping this propaganda.

We are waiting for the wind to blow and take the blanket.

Originally posted by IsaacKoi

Originally posted by jjsirius
reply to post by IsaacKoi

 

anonfiles.com...
Is this a hoax?

That's one of the "government" documents I had in mind.

Most researchers (including MANY of the researchers that are pro-ETH or "believers" - not just skeptics) consider the SOM1-01 manual to be a hoax, for reasons that have been spelt out at length on ATS and elsewhere.

A Google search on "som1-01 hoax", or a similar search on ATS, will turn up many relevant discussions.

I could post a summary of the better reasons for concluding that document is a hoax, but I'd be reinventing the wheel.

It is no wonder why you have chosen this avatar.

reply to post by mideast


This thread was initially attacked with cynacisim.
Cynacisim feels good and falsifying material is very easy.
You simply say its false - done.
Debunking is a piece of cake.

Having read the research I think the MJ-12 manuel is real.

books.google.com... #v=onepage&q=the%20special%20committee%20on%20non-terrestrial%20science%20and%20technology&f=false

Originally posted by jjsirius
reply to post by mideast

 

This thread was initially attacked with cynacisim.
Cynacisim feels good and falsifying material is very easy.
You simply say its false - done.
Debunking is a piece of cake.

Having read the research I think the MJ-12 manuel is real.

books.google.com... #v=onepage&q=the%20special%20committee%20on%20non-terrestrial%20science%20and%20technology&f=false

I said there are many other aspects to add to make US govt be the great Satan.

I didn't reject and I didn't provide anything to reject the credibility of this thread.

IMHO, it is one of the most comprehensive threads I have recently seen.

I just wanted to add that many things that are used by satan , yet not mentioned in the source.

reply to post by mideast


I will confide this; while essentially being repeatedly tested within the realm or field of extraterrestrials their glaring lack of respect for Satan was quite evident. It is considered old school among the more progressive ET's and, yes, there are more progressive ones. That's perfectly natural.

The Bible is still highly influential here as are its ET founders but the Age of Aquarius doesn't really have room for it.

I believe that the blind regurgitation of information over long periods of time does more to damage the credibility of those who believe aliens have been visiting earth for decades, if not longer. Certain information becomes "available," which cannot be verified, and for some reason it is taken as fact by many due to nothing more than sheer repetition. Who knows, maybe some of that information is true, but I just spent an hour reading from that site, and from what I know of the subject, most of what is mentioned is at best mere speculation and guesswork.

There is a tying together of very circumstantial evidence with the testimony of nutters, combined with the testimony of credible witnesses who cannot be positive as to what they have seen, due to the nature of viewing objects in the sky and in space at distance, where tricks of light and other optical illusions truly distort the way the human brain perceives the images. There are just too many people who want to believe, in my opinion, and therefore they accept very little evidence but treat it as fact, when it is nothing of the sort.

Of the vast majority of ufo related reports that I have seen, even many high profile cases, there is nothing much for definiteness. I will admit that a small percentage of the cases are quite puzzling, but due to the lack of information and data, there should be no reason to lean to the extraterrestrial explanations over the terrestrial ones. I agree with those who are stating that the linked documents are nothing more than a collection of widely regurgitated information, none of which can be verified as fact. I think a lot of it was just made up by people for personal reasons.

Then there are those who were in a position to know something, and it can be verified that they held high positions within the government or military...But the information they are giving is never as catchy and in depth as the information given by people whose credentials cannot be verified. For instance, Bob Lazar...It is quite possible that he embellished the vast majority of the information given during his interviews. He probably worked for the military or government to some extent, but that just makes lying all the more easier. Plus, there is no way anyone can prove that he is lying. There are other people in this same position as well.

And the fact that people constantly mistake terrestrial craft and natural phenomena for alien craft has been adequately proven time and time again. However, despite all of the strikes against the belief in extraterrestrials visiting earth, coupled with the fact that I do not buy into the idea, I still cannot say that it is impossible. I could be totally incorrect in my interpretation of the evidence, although I feel that the way I interpret the evidence and available data in a much more down to earth fashion, no pun intended. Sometimes you cannot stretch the truth, even if there is no way to prove that the stretching is impossible.

Originally posted by IsaacKoi

Originally posted by jjsirius
reply to post by IsaacKoi

 

anonfiles.com...
Is this a hoax?

A Google search on "som1-01 hoax", or a similar search on ATS, will turn up many relevant discussions.

The update in this post highlights a relevant point. For the people who are unfamiliar with it...

Anyway, funny to see you here Isaac, in a post related to a mile long copy pasta of random UFO info strewn across the internet, with no personal processing by the poster.

The bizarro version of your own threads I recon.

Cheers,

-B