The new budget offer from the White House is unbelievable!

Like it or not, the democrats, the progressives get to own this mess.

Ryan offered a budget plan that was dismissed.

All the progs want to do is raise taxesand grow government.

Most people are clueless to the outcome of such a move.

But we'll all get a chance to find out!

The progs won. The GOP is imploding. It should be interesting to watch the destruction of America.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by BritofTexas

 

Um, the proof is who was voted out and who was voted in.
Need we have a class to rehash that midterm and the seats garnered?
Oh, I just realized, you think that people want moderates elected. Yeah, because the last time around showed that.

The Tea Party Taliban got elected in 2010 because the majority of the electorate did not come out and vote. That changed this past election when the TPT got its buttocks handed to it on a plate.

However there are still enough left in Congress to keep Boehner and McConnell from doing their job.

It's time for the Republicans to put forward their own proposal so the negotiations can begin.

It's sort of what they were put there for.

reply to post by beezzer


You avatar reminds my of Snake Plissken in Escape from NY.
All you need is the Uzi with scope and suppressor.

Originally posted by Jerk_Idiot
Has anybody considered that both sides WANT us to go over the financial cliff? That there is NO way around it? The only thing I believe both sides are doing is trying to set it up so when we do go over the cliff the OTHER SIDE will somehow end up taking the blame.

You're most likely right. But this is what I don't understand, if the SHTF, I mean really HITS THE FAN, the American people are going to be out for real blood, and I don't think either party will be safe and both to blame. Do they honestly believe we won't hold them Both accountable? Despite party affiliations, their first affiliation is to the American public.

reply to post by BritofTexas


Oh, so another excuse as to why Tea Party members won.
"It was low voter turn out".

If I recall right, wasn't their lower voter turnout this last election?
SO, that argument is moot. Nice try though.


The Reps have proposed many things, 0bama and company have dismissed them and just want what they want.


The GOP would be better off if Conservatives and Tea Party members where the majority, instead of the spineless RINOs infecting the party.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by beezzer

 

You avatar reminds my of Snake Plissken in Escape from NY.
All you need is the Uzi with scope and suppressor.

Beezzer Freemly? I thought you was dead!"

Tax and spend agendas have always served to enable, empower and expand government, and always has served to harm the private sector, inhibit economic growth, and ultimately lead to recessions.

One inescapable element in all of this is history.

Apparently the USA will never learn what works for the people and what doesn't, or maybe no one really wants to.

reply to post by macman


No I'm just all too familiar at how "conservatives" try to redefine themselves at every turn.

Like I said.. duck and run... true to spineless Romney at his finest.

You can't champion holding one's nose and voting for Romney in one post... and claim to not champion corporate welfare in another.

Do you see the contradiction there?

Or must I further connect the dots for you?

It's contradictions like that that are defining you.. not me.. I just highlight them for my personal amusement.

And while we're speaking of assumptions... are you sure I'm a liberal? Or do I just have a dislike for conservatives?

Or are you trying to define me as you've accused me of doing to you?

Hypocrite thy name is....

reply to post by Deetermined


He did already during the yearly budget cuts into the defense Department and government the reason you have not hear or seen anything is that if you work for the private sector all you will see is companies trimming employees, already started in July after the budget cuts were put in effects, when it comes to government the big exodus will start in January that is why the financial cliff is so important right now as the Government have to come out with crafty ways to help all those that are going to find themselves without a job very soon in an economy that is going down the hill already

In 2013 already the taxes within the Obamacare that has been added will come into effect and will fall into the working Americans that can be mandated AKA taxed, this is just in addition to any taxes that the government will add this month if they are to increase them more.

The government is in a mess in which they have to sell the American public that taxes are good while allowing the waste and abuse of the Fed feed the Wall Street bankers.

Most American people can not add two and two and never link the overall budget to what the Fed does on the side, all they do is link the government budget to Military budget but this all a scam, spending is still on going.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by sheepslayer247

 

While I agree that they are crying about it, negotiating on this should not be in any of their choices.

They should hold the line and force 0bama into what they believe in.

edit on 30-11-2012 by macman because: (no reason given)

And this is why the Republicans are proving to be noneffective as leaders. They are not free-thinking individuals that are willing to do the smart thing....negotiate the terms of the budget. Instead, they are following the political "herd" and joining together to do absolutely nothing except point fingers.

This is hypocrisy in it's purest form and I would be willing to say that if they do not step to the table and negotiate, the Republicans will only prove how worthless they are.

Originally posted by Cosmic911

Originally posted by Jerk_Idiot
Has anybody considered that both sides WANT us to go over the financial cliff? That there is NO way around it? The only thing I believe both sides are doing is trying to set it up so when we do go over the cliff the OTHER SIDE will somehow end up taking the blame.

You're most likely right. But this is what I don't understand, if the SHTF, I mean really HITS THE FAN, the American people are going to be out for real blood, and I don't think either party will be safe and both to blame. Do they honestly believe we won't hold them Both accountable? Despite party affiliations, their first affiliation is to the American public.

I agree that most people will hold both parties responsible but there will still be plenty of idiots backing their chosen party and bickering with the other idiots who are backing the other party, fiddling while rome burns.
some people just can`t seem to see the bigger picture even when it hits them in the face like a shovel,or maybe it`s just that they care more about being "right" than they care about whats best.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I think they should just stick with the plan that Bush crafted 10 years ago. That plan included the tax cuts expiring. So if Obama takes no action on tax rates then the tax increase should be credited to Bush.

I'll say it again. There should be no income tax. There should be a tangible wealth tax starting on wealth of over $2.5 million. Any shortages thereafter the Treasury should just print. Shrink the leverage of banks at the same time and it will not be inflationary. Budget/fiscal cliff / tax issue solved.

Then hit the economy by refinancing all mortgages into a non-profit entity. By doing so you can lower interest rates and chop off 30% of principal and still get all the Treasury printed money back in 30 years or less. Again non-inflationary over time.

Do these and everything else takes care of itself.

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Originally posted by Plexi


No I'm just all too familiar at how "conservatives" try to redefine themselves at every turn.

We really need a self face smacking emoticon, as that would just define your response.
No, no you don't and still don't.
I would be happy to sit down and explain to you what a Conservative is.

Originally posted by Plexi
Like I said.. duck and run... true to spineless Romney at his finest.

You can't champion holding one's nose and voting for Romney in one post... and claim to not champion corporate welfare in another.

Lesser of two evils.
Corporate welfare is better then Progressive Socialism any day of the week.

Originally posted by Plexi
Do you see the contradiction there?

Lesser of two evils

Originally posted by Plexi
Or must I further connect the dots for you?

More dot connecting by Liberals?
No thanks.

Originally posted by Plexi
It's contradictions like that that are defining you.. not me.. I just highlight them for my personal amusement.

Oh, and again, you know my voting record?
Your amusement is nice, but you are basically then a fool doing what a fool does.

Originally posted by Plexi
And while we're speaking of assumptions... are you sure I'm a liberal? Or do I just have a dislike for conservatives?

If you are not a Conservative, by definition you must be a Liberal. Or a wishy washy moderate I guess.

Originally posted by Plexi
Or are you trying to define me as you've accused me of doing to you?

Nope, label not define.
If the label is not correct, then by all means, do correct me.
I will wait.

Originally posted by Plexi
Hypocrite thy name is....

An elitist Liberal Progressive.

There you go, I just happily finished your sentence.

Originally posted by Cosmic911People need to wake up, abandon the phallacy that their politicians give a crap about them.

I'm with you there! I know well my congressman is a giant phallus and the senators are no better. I guess in reality pretty much all politicians are.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


No, as anyone that has every been in the negotiating trade or art, knows that those that win, are those who care less.

They don't need to step up and negotiate, only to give in to the destructive path 0bama wants.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by sheepslayer247

 

No, as anyone that has every been in the negotiating trade or art, knows that those that win, are those who care less.

They don't need to step up and negotiate, only to give in to the destructive path 0bama wants.

As someone that learned to negotiate, among many other things, from a corporate cut-throat (my Father) I have learned that those that care less.....get nothing. But the aggressive can win the day.

I have never heard of being complacent as a negotiation style. Maybe that's because it doesn't work.

reply to post by macman


Well you really need such an emoticon.. might knock some sense into you.

As for label/define... so much semantics. We can argue over the meaning of the word "is" next if you like.

As for your claim of championing one concept in one post and disavowing it in another.. that's not "the lesser of two evils" there bumpkin.. it's flat out hypocrisy But apparently only true conservatives can so glibly try to talk out of both sides of their mouths at the same time.. all the while claiming none of it.

Hypocrite thy name is .. macman. There I completed it correctly... not to mention truly.

Originally posted by macman
...
The GOP would be better off if Conservatives and Tea Party members where the majority, instead of the spineless RINOs infecting the party.

You are very right about this, and TRUE Republicans are so few in the party that they really have no say in what the GOP does. We just lost Ron Paul as well since he is retiring...

But think about it, who helped bring corruption into the political process? Those who put the Feds in power, and in control of the economy of these United States, and that is, and has been the left.

Since at least 1913 the left has systematically attacked the Republican party, including having Democrats and other leftwingers join the Republican party aka "NEO-CONS" to completely corrupt what used to be "the REAL party of the people"...

If we don't learn to truly put the blame where blame is due we will never get rid of the root cause that has been destroying this nation for almost 100 years if not more...

A lot of people want to claim that we must put aside party lines, and btw I am not saying that we must follow the Republican Party as it exists now, but if we don't get rid of the cause of the mess we are in, we will fall again in the same hole down the line.

Get rid of that which started the problems and we will not find ourselves in this same situation, but as it is too many Americans, and also other people around the world, have fallen for the lies that are leading us to a world dictatorship and the destruction of the United States.

Originally posted by Ex_CT2
Good Christ! I've never seen a more flagrant power-grab!

This has got to be stopped. This is absolutely bald-faced criminality at its worst....

the way i see it...bush set up the sunset clause of the tax cuts, so that they expire, let them expire. our dollar would be worth more, taxes on everybody would go up, the military would face the reality that they can't keep spending at the rate of the 1980's cold war. the poor, and lower middle class make so little anyway, that the few bucks they would pay in their tax rates, are not going to be noticable. our credit rating would strengthen, our dollar would strengthen. in 2000 we were not over the fiscal cliff, we were in surplus