O’Reilly bashes ‘fascist’ atheist: Christianity not a religion, so Christmas displays are OK

Bill O' does this every year.

He sets himself up as the Saviour of Christmas.

All done to sell his books and doormats.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


I don't have any "money troubles," and have no interest in "abolishing Christmas." I was simply responding to another post about Federal Holidays and their impact on commerce, which is a fairly wide subject and a whole 'nuther can o' worms.

Frankly -- we are probably doomed as a society if we don't begin to transition to a 20 hour work week over the next 5-10 years. But I'll save that argument for another thread and just say: Christmas is a drop in the bucket.

"It is a fact that Christianty is not a religion, it's a philosophy."

He's really making it hard by making it that easy, i gotta give him that. I mean seriously, what would be your reply to that.

"A what?...wait, hang on a minute, someone's calling....aha...aha...ok i will, yeah god bless you too...that was the pope asking me to tell you that you should shut your satanic piehole or he will shove a Christmas tree up your ass and personally drag you down to hell, and you should, for the love of Christ, educate yourself before ever running your mouth again about things you clearly have no clue of...Ok, you were saying..."

reply to post by Stormdancer777


i have nothing against the winter solstice, i acknowledge its symbolic observance and find it worthy of respect.
i do against consumption based and materialism driven so called festivities.

this is the season to be merry and care about those in need? that's hypocrisy.
there's nothing keeping us from doing it daily, as it should be.

i personally have not celebrated christmas since my early teens.
i'm not keeping anyone from celebrating it how they see fit.

i just hate the hypocritical attitudes and fake smiles people put on just because "it's christmas", it's ok to resent and step on others the rest of the year.

just keep buying more trinkets and pretend you care about others for a month

Originally posted by DarknStormy
Whos Bill O'Reilly?

Is that the guy with the most punchable face in America?

No!

That title goes to Mitch McConnell chins.

I'll use that batch like a speed bag!

Go Ahead take Christmas off the holiday list and while we at it take all holidays off the list

Altho that means no more double time,triple time, and holiday pay unions sure won't like it.

Millions of Americans work on holidays the guest on Oreilly lied.

reply to post by UziLiberman


It should be done daily, I agree, we do over indulge and overspend, but there are two sides to every coin.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by DaTroof

 

I think that is okay too as long as there is some kind of provision that people not be penalized for taking days off to celebrate holidays in their religion.

Those laws already exist. You have to allow or make provisions for people to observe their particular holy days or Holidays.

When I was a Commander in the military I had all kinds of people assigned from WICCANS to Seventh Day Adventists, Christians, Jews, Muslims and everything in between. The WICCANs wanted the solstice off but could care less about Christmas so they filled out the duty rosters nicely for that purpose. Same with the Muslim's needing to have a late meal available in the mess hall after sunset during Ramadan(sp). I could easily make sure the Jews had Saturday free by scheduling Christians (if we were on continuous operations).

Personally, I believe in nothing so it’s easy for me.

Regarding Christmas as a Christian only holiday I say bumpkiss.... I love Christmas and I don't believe in god or that Jesus is my savior or whatever... It's now just an American Holiday. A tradition. Sure it's roots are in Christianity; however, tracing it back further it was a pagan inspired tradition adopted to fit the Christian meme.

One has to understand that at the time these days were made Federal Holidays the majority of America were predominantly Christian nation. I'd say changing it now to facilitate the change in culture is a little silly.

The constitution doesn't guarantee freedom from religion but rather freedom of it. No one is protected from having to view or see others celebrate their holidays only that the State will not compel them to participate or not as the case may be.

As an atheist, personally this dude doesn't represent me or my views. It doesn't vex me that the government allows displays of any kind (and they go out of the way to be accommodating). Our government is after all made up of people with many and various views who should be able to express their beliefs even at work.

No one is making people bow down to baby Jesus on Christmas holiday you are free to do whatever you want. Most businesses are open on Christmas day now anyway. We have gone to a movie on Christmas day as a family tradition for many years running.

O'Riely is fishing here IMO, tainted by his personal beliefs. However, so is the other guy. Let a person be - drive by the display flip it off if it suits you, who cares...

Let's be clear here as well Christmas as it was intended is only celebrated by a small group.

The birth of christ.

What passes for christmas these days is just go buy a bunch of stuff and go in to debt is what christmas has become.

Originally posted by BritofTexas
Bill O' does this every year.

He sets himself up as the Saviour of Christmas.

So true.

I don't see it as a favoritism towards Christianity. And trust me, I am the first to throw a fit of any crossing of church and state.

It is like this When I was in grade school in Pennsylvania, schools are closed the first day of hunting season. Is the state promoting hunting? No But there are no kids at school that day, and maybe 6 or girls sitting in class the rest of the week. It is a popular activity. no point in being open if no one is there.

Same with xmas. People celebrate it as a winter holiday, period. And 80% of the population is going to want to stay home for it. YOu can't open and operate government on a handful of people, so you might as well close.

Wanna know what is also true?

Someone says "merry christmas" puts up a christmas tree, or a nativity scene they think that "religiousness" is "infectious" and might contaminate them.

reply to post by neo96


Maybe, but -- those people are morons. Who cares what they think? If they can't be secure in their own beliefs, in spite of or along side their neighbors being secure in theirs, than they aren't worth listening to in the first place.

Buddhism is most famous for calling themselves a philosophy, not a religion, as there is no God or Savior to worship in Buddhism. Christianity very much has a God and Savior.

As for calling atheists fascists, it's pretty funny

“In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and of adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before – the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.”
Adolf Hitler, April 12, 1922

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by neo96

 

Maybe, but -- those people are morons. Who cares what they think? If they can't be secure in their own beliefs, in spite of or along side their neighbors being secure in theirs, than they aren't worth listening to in the first place.

Meaning Atheist's?

I agree

The Christmas holiday has become an eclectic holiday with elements and history in Paganism, Winter Solstice, Christianity, commercialism, etc. Go ahead and pick one. Or not. Or just celebrate for the sake of celebrating. Fall is coming to an end, winter is coming.

True, we should all be happy with what we have year round, but holiday breaks like Christmas give us a temporary reprieve from our daily/yearly monotony. Sometimes it, "Bah-Humbug!" can't wait for it to be over. Sometimes we look forward to the happiness of a loved one opening a special gift or a big family dinner. But it makes us feel something, and to feel is to be alive, IMO.

I'm not crazy about the Christmas shopping rush, but at the same time I cherish those cozy Christmas memories as a child at this time. As somebody who isn't religious, I say we leave the holiday be. It has become the sum of it's parts. It's a special time of the year, no matter what your beliefs.

And by the way, Happy holidays, Solstice, Hanukkah, Merry Christmas and all the rest! Eat, Drink, and be Merry!!!

reply to post by neo96


Meaning ANYONE who can't separate what others "believe" from an attack on self. Especially atheists.

Originally posted by Kali74

Is the new rhetoric from the GOP and their mouth pieces at FOX going to be that Christianity is a philosophy and not a religion?

Actually he makes a seemingly reasonable point - Catholicism is a religion, Methodism is a religion, anglican is a religion - the overarching philosophy of x-ianity is not actually a religions.

I'm not sure that it would stand rigorous analysis - but it is at least clever sematics

I suppose then we can go ahead and tax all Christian Churches?

A good idea IMO, but as above there are no churches of the christian religion - jsut ones of the Catholic, Baptist, methodist, etc religions.

Of course it all falls to bits if you consider the churches as "sects" of the religion - in the same way there are sects of Islam, Mormonism, Judaism, etc.

So it doesn't take very long to see that he's full of BS and this is just another thinly veiled shot in the campaign to turn the US into a repressive right wing christian theocracy!

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by DaTroof

 

I think that is okay too as long as there is some kind of provision that people not be penalized for taking days off to celebrate holidays in their religion.

i'd be okay with this too. but, not for the people who never go to church during the year, then in December they want to take time off to celebrate their "religious holiday".

For the last time, Christmas has nothing to do with Christ, it's just a pagan celebration adapted into a catholic holiday thanks to the Roman church. I thought people stopped associating Christmas with Christ in like 1999. Why do people still believe in that drab? You can't celebrate a nice holiday without associating some sort of religious connotation to it? Is it that hard to give someone else a present, that you have to put Jesus in that equation somewhere just to feel good about it? -sigh-