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Originally posted by pacifier2012
Big deal.
Most ATS posts are copies of 'real' stuff released on You Tube.
You Tube !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, if it's on You Tuber it must be true !!!.
Originally posted by Bearack
Originally posted by Ghost375
Originally posted by Malynn
reply to post by antonia
YESSSS!!! I've never seen this brought up on ATS before but it's bugged me for AGES. Anyone who has lived both outside and inside the US notices it easily, how there is no left in the US anymore. You have far right, right, and center right. Even the conservative party in Canada is FAR to the left of the democrats in the US.
This is what makes republican hatred of Obama so hilarious....he has essentially done EXACTLY what Bush did....and everything they hate, Bush would've undoubtedly done too.....so it's like they are complaining about the D next to his name, nothing more...
Any real conservative would note that Bush was NOT a conservative but was at the very minimum a moderate.
Originally posted by ganjoa
As a statistician, I see this crapola all the time in numerous depictions in the news, documentaries, etc.
It's appalling to me - although when I worked for fedgov the management was always wanting the most dumbed down version of the data I could prepare - remember 6th grade reading level is the "gold standard" in written communications. So there's a bit of "wiggle room" on presenting data - but the OP's examples are clearly fradulent and misleading in a purposeful way, not merely oversimplifications.
Another consideration when looking at POLL numbers is the "universe" of persons participating, I see many undocumented assumptions on polls all the time - so I have two suggestions:
1. ALWAYS READ THE NUMBERS NOT JUST THE PICTURE!
2. QUESTION THE ASSERTIONS MADE ABOUT THE DATA!
ganjoa
Originally posted by ErroneousDylan
Originally posted by longlostbrother
LOL.
Show some proof for the claim that, "the left" used the same techniques to undermine Ron Paul.
Go on.
Ron Paul Snubbed on Federal Reserve Question at CNN Debate
Candy Crowley Lies About Ron Paul Polls - 8/14/11
Glenn Greenwald: Bob Schieffer, Ron Paul and Journalistic “Objectivity”
Snubbed Again: Ron Paul Surges in Iowa and the Media Yawns
THE RON PAUL MEDIA REVOLT IS ON! (ABC snub against Ron Paul)
How CNN spun its poll to make sure you don't vote for a 3rd party
[VIDEO] 17 minutes of media bias against Ron Paul. Irrefutable evidence.
Media Manipulation Against The Ron Paul Candidacy
Originally posted by Strictsum
Are we really still doing this, even on ATS. Arguing left - right issues like there is actually such a thing. We all know they are one in the same at the very top or at least we all should know by now. Even some people that I know, know better are doing it.
It must be because it's fun or something. I don't get it.
Strict
The Daily Show has more integrity
COMMIE SOCIALIST THAT TOOK ALL UR RITES
The extent that Fox News does it is absurd, and there is no comparison.
The Left in the U.S. died after McGovern lost. In the U.S. being "leftist" is merely not being right-wing enough.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Ghost375
The extent that Fox News does it is absurd, and there is no comparison.
I practically get sick just watching a few minutes of MSNBC or CNN. I just can't stomach their views. They are indeed partisan, as much or more than Fox. If we didn't have Fox, the whole MSM on tv would be leftist. When everything is just one party, that is akin to Communism.
Originally posted by Ghost375
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Ghost375
The extent that Fox News does it is absurd, and there is no comparison.
I practically get sick just watching a few minutes of MSNBC or CNN. I just can't stomach their views. They are indeed partisan, as much or more than Fox. If we didn't have Fox, the whole MSM on tv would be leftist. When everything is just one party, that is akin to Communism.
Why can't you people freakin get it?
This isn't about left vs right....
this is about one news network that is manipulating data and fudging statistics to a huge degree. I wasn't talking about partisanship; you took my quote completely out of context. I was talking about the manipulation of facts and numbers, and no one does it on the level Fox News does.edit on 30-11-2012 by Ghost375 because: (no reason given)edit on 30-11-2012 by Ghost375 because: (no reason given)
You watch MSNBC and all you can hate is their views.....
I watch Fox News, and agree with a lot of their overall views(small government, pro-gun, etc.)....but the way they mislead their audience makes me sick. I've seen them do some incredulous things.edit on 30-11-2012 by Ghost375 because: (no reason given)edit on 30-11-2012 by Ghost375 because: (no reason given)