God, Ancient Aliens or Mother Nature?

As to ancient aliens, perhaps they're just farm hands plowing the field and planting seeds. If not, then the ancient history of mankind deals with a long lost science of things like harmonic resonance, torsion fields and sacred geometry in relation to the cosmos, to create a meaningful frame of reference and for succession planning, to generate the highest possible structure in terms of a civilizing force of nature, or man's quest to find his true place and stature in the grand scheme of things.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


OK...

Let's go there.

We can now drop ET from the equation because at this far distance into the past the following would apply to their creation and development as well. Which if true their development my have happened countless eons before ours.

Science is now considering the Big Bang happened out of nothing and that out of it came everything we see around us. They are now also accepting the possibility that during this event some "Stuff" may have traveled faster than light which they had previously argued was impossible.

Now they are looking at the "God" particle which many in scientific circles hate the idea of calling it that but what is it really? It can be whatever the hell "Nature or God" needs it to be.

Imagine that, the tiniest thing can be used for anything.

Now if that doesn't sound like an intelligently designed universal building block I don't what is. Oh, yeah, and by the way.

It came out of nothing from before the Big Bang.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

So you don't believe extra-terrestrials live among us?

Nope.

There are videos of people levitating, teleporting, using telekinesis, videos of ufos both cloaked and uncloaked, stories of people getting abducted and probbed analy, stories of people with unexplained implants in their bodies, stories of humans and aliens collaborating in underground locations, etc....etc (too much to list)

They are just that stories.

Seems you have not done any real research into alternative topics, cause you are allowing mainstream religious dogma to dictate its agenda; many people do so!

nope don't let dogma shape my opinions by church of ufology that has become "mainstream":.

reply to post by SLAYER69

And then we look at the "signs" in the moon earth sun relationship, and recognize that it's all for us. Why would such a being not then establish themselves as being in relationship with the designer in a type of parent/child relationship based on love, for love, because of love? For Jesus, God was as much an intimate, personal relationship as he was the first/last cause (from above) and the first father of all creation (source). Perhaps we are made to express or reflect the nature or aspect of this creator God while retaining an I-Thou relationship WITH God. A logical and rational person of intelligence could easily draw such conclusions and then act from that foundation or cornerstone by then asking themselves, once that relationship has been established via meditation, contemplation, prayer etc. - what are our commitments and obligations to one another as fellow children of God who share the very same ground of all being and becoming and in the space of unconditioned being, what motivating factor leads to right thinking, being and action? Out of nothingness, is not the very reason for creation, love, and the desire to share in order to enjoy meaningful experience?

Note also that the moon perfectly reflects the sun - I tell you it's a sign directed towards man and one which Jesus interpreted correctly as a trained Magus.

I am so happy than I am not the only one capable of considering this idea. Thank you therefore, for the opportunity to share some of what I've discovered in my own investigation of these matters.

From what I can tell, the atheist position is both presumptuous and small minded.

reply to post by neo96


So normal folks can walk on water and levitate in the air?

From what i've pieced together, it's the combination of the of two of them. One part "hominid" evolving, changing over time and one part i would say external. Divine intervention, ancient contact with aliens, or the use of drugs. Steve Jobs got the vision for the apple computer while tripping on '___', something to keep on the back burner so to speak.

It's hard to know because we still have no kind of definitive answer aside from what each person has seen or experienced and in that department all we have are opinions.

As you said, at one point in time our ancestors were happy living the same way they did about for about 100,000 years. Then about, the last 50,000 things changed. Cave paintings and the like. Nothing special. Then domestication starts and that's about 10,000 years ago starting with the dog and its all down hill from there. We get plants, agriculture and technology.

The kicker is that around that time frame we have stuff like Göbekli Tepe floatin around and f'in huge settlements made from stone but buried beneath the sea. So man was gettin it in, domesticating wild plant and animals (assuming that he had foresight to know that this animal or plant is beneficial) and constructing huge monuments out of stone for whatever reason. Did they have gator-aid back then? The egyptians used beer does that count?

But that spiritual/religious aspect goes hand in hand with that development. Especially later on and definitely in the beginning. Aliens or God? It could be ET's using religion to futher their own goals. It could be God using ET's to futher his/her own goals too.

You have religion in all regions of the world or their spiritual counterparts. Some of the largest monuments are devoted to that aspect. So there is definitely a connection. What kind is up for interpretation.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by AndyMayhew

 

But every bit of it is based on the orbital relationship and distance of the moon in relation to the earth.

You what?

You're saying that all climate change over the past few million years has been caused by the Moon very slowly moving further away from the Earth and that apart from you, no-one else has ever even thought of this???????

Way to go multi-nobel prize winner. If you have evidence.

Edit: but of you are right, all we need to do to turn the Arabian and Ghat deserts fertile again is move the Moon a few yards closer to the Earth

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by neo96

 

So normal folks can walk on water and levitate in the air?

Sorry are we talking bout Jesus or aliens there?

reply to post by cenpuppie


Philosophically speaking...

I can imagine that ET simply got their start first and have been cruising the universe exploring and may have either directly or indirectly influenced man's development. But were not responsible for our creation. Now was this a form of divine intervention by a creator?

Was that part of his plan that he set in motion from the Big Bang forward all along? To have the Galactic version of an older brother unknowingly to them to be used to teach the younger brother "us" the ropes?

After all he is "all powerful and infinite"

reply to post by AndyMayhew

No I'm not saying that I'm the only one to think of this, only that the moon's influence, being at one time closer, and now just by "coincidence" perfectly eclipsing the sun, represents the dominant force in the evolution of life on earth, including that of mankind, and a very high precision one at that, without which life on earth and the evolutionary process would not be possible. In other words that it's a first cause, that particular relationship (earth moon sun), but if that weren't enough, it appears to contain a type of coded message directed specifically to us at this precise moment in the evolutionary process. It's a hallmark of intelligent design and anyone who really looks into it can hardly come away with any other conclusion. And if a "coincidence" then it's of such astronomical proportion and magnitude that we ought to be rethinking our place in the cosmos including the very existence of any aliens whether ancient or modern.

It's either a feat of precision astroengineering from the very beginning by a creator God, or, some sort of special "seed of life" employed to assist in the natural formation of solar systems containing the possibility for the formation of earth-like worlds in order to absolutely ensure that life evolves there, in which case we're looking at a higher intelligent creative agent planting the "moon-seed" 4.5 billion years ago according to a design the likes of which we cannot at present even begin to fathom, and if ancient ANCIENT aliens (that's a longgg time ago), then how did they get their start, that's the question.

This then leads me to consider another order of created higher intelligences, not unlike angels who may assist on "the farm" when and where needed, it's hard to draw any other conclusion which is capable of making sense of the data, short of one very very smart and very very powerful Godhead which cannot be ruled out either.

“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels[a] shouted for joy?

~ Job 38:4-7 God, supposedly speaking directly to Job from the whirwind (and not without a healthy dose of sarcastic humor), noting at the same time that the rest of the phenomenon mentioned by God all involve the special earth moon sun relationship ie: where the water line stopped, changing of the seasons, movement of wildlife etc etc.

Above: Solstice and Perihelion - from the influence of the moon which is a dynamical equillibrium "cornerstone" of life on Earth making it possible for water to flow across 90% of the planet, for one among many many things which would not be possible without the influence of that one, singular and rather GIANT moon of ours (relative to the size of its host planet)..

Originally posted by AndyMayhew

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by AndyMayhew

 

But every bit of it is based on the orbital relationship and distance of the moon in relation to the earth.

Edit: but of you are right, all we need to do to turn the Arabian and Ghat deserts fertile again is move the Moon a few yards closer to the Earth

Yes, but all the coastal cities would have to be moved back by a 100 miles or more because of the inland tides a closer moon would create.

On that note, imagine such tides bringing salt water far far inland, and what that would mean for microbial DNA recombination.

Originally posted by neo96
One thing that bugs the hell out of me?

People saying "man was too dumb" aliens had to help, that hogwash.

Think mankind has what he has because of himself man evolves that evolution/progress was lost with war,famine,disease,and natural disasters, man picked himself back up and carried forward.

Rinse and repeat until we come to the modern age.

Well some say that we would have never had a leap in technology around the 1940's without the use of reverse engineering extraterrestrial technology.

By the way, statistics will eventually show that it HAS to be possible that other intelligent life exists besides humans.

reply to post by Vandettas

Well some say that we would have never had a leap in technology around the 1940's without the use of reverse engineering extraterrestrial technology.

Heard quite a few people say this heard them also say that the current technological leap "was taken from the nazis" so does that means nazis were "aliens".

People are free to have their opinions on the topic however I stick with man owes nothing to "aliens" but himself.

technology has a time and a place but where a society is ready for it, and in times of war throughout mankinds history that is where the majority of innovation, and technological progression has been made.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Science is now considering the Big Bang happened out of nothing and that out of it came everything we see around us. They are now also accepting the possibility that during this event some "Stuff" may have traveled faster than light which they had previously argued was impossible.

My opinion is that there are many big bangs, not just one. The big bang science talks about is our universe.

What if there are infinite universes aka multiverse? When a black hole occurs the energy is sucked up via a low pressure system into a point of singularity and then a white hole occurs in some other universe ejecting that recycled energy.

Now they are looking at the "God" particle which many in scientific circles hate the idea of calling it that but what is it really? It can be whatever the hell "Nature or God" needs it to be.

You mean exotic energy?

Imagine that, the tiniest thing can be used for anything.

Now if that doesn't sound like an intelligently designed universal building block I don't what is. Oh, yeah, and by the way.

It came out of nothing from before the Big Bang.

edit on 29-11-2012 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

So no recycled energy? I thought according to einstein matter can neither be created nor destroyed.

I am not saying god does not exist, I am simply saying god is probably not what most people think, aka "the creator".

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

So no recycled energy? I thought according to einstein matter can neither be created nor destroyed.

Never heard of antimatter and what happens when those two collide?

reply to post by NewAgeMan


How much difference do you really think it would make on the world's tides - or indeed climate - if the Moon was 50 or 60 ft closer to the the Earth?

(not that I'm saying it was actually that much closer just 6,000 years ago)

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
So no recycled energy? I thought according to einstein matter can neither be created nor destroyed.

The point I was making is that those are the arguments some in modern science are discussing and debating amongst themselves.

Also, Einstein was only human.
No?

I am not saying god does not exist, I am simply saying god is probably not what most people think, aka "the creator".

My argument for those who do believe God is the creator is to expand their understanding of him. He is all powerful and infinite. By the way. That can apply to his abilities in the Universe, Multiverse, Macroverse, Microverse and . . .

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

So no recycled energy? I thought according to einstein matter can neither be created nor destroyed.

Never heard of antimatter and what happens when those two collide?

For someone who doesn't believe in aliens and ufos, how would you know about "antimatter"?

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


I read this:

en.wikipedia.org...

But then again I use to watch a lot of Star Trek