What Percent of ATS Members believe that the U.S. has recovered E.T. Craft and Tech? [results]

Originally posted by BrokenAngelWings33
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

currently at 67 flags too, how weird is that...I just noticed, after replying to you...remember what percentage I speculated?

Ah....everyone has an issue. LOL!

Split Infinity

So, whats the results? I missed it I guess. Did you already make the new thread with the results?


-Alien

Originally posted by Alien Abduct
So, whats the results? I missed it I guess. Did you already make the new thread with the results?


-Alien

I will give it 30 days and I will have the results before the end of the year.

Split Infinity

Yes, I do believe we have gotten some tech and advice from "foreign" sources. Possibly stretching back to Nazi Germany. I don't know what to think of the whole endeavor except that for all the stories of crash retrievals and tech exchanges at least ONE has to be true.

Oh and by the way, SplitInfinity, how much of what the public reads, watches and hears about ET and experiences with them is true? I realize a lot of it is BS but there is so much now that its all jumbled together. Oh and how would commercial and private space interests affect disclosure or whatnot? They are bound to witness things once up there.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by booNyzarC

 

I know what I know due to my sometimes JOB and the experience gained from that JOB. Unfortunately it is not something I can go into detail as to do so would be....irresponsible.

Thank you for the response, but this is very typical of hoaxers and liars. I'm not saying that you are a hoaxer or a liar, but in a field like UFOlogy where hoaxers and liars are so prevalent, prudence dictates that the initial assumption should not be one of blind trust and acceptance.

At best your unsubstantiated statements carry zero weight from an evidential standpoint and therefore have zero impact on the overall question.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
I know what I know and I have to live with this knowledge. It is not easy nor is it something I would recommend to anyone who desires such knowledge as having it changes a person.

I enjoy posting here and to do so I have certain rules I must follow. I will NEVER talk about anything Classified but I can talk about things that have come into the public consciousness.

I doubt if you have access to any classified information, but it sure makes for a nice yarn to those who might enjoy bouncing on your knee during story time.

Just for giggles though, when you say that you have certain rules that you must follow I can only assume that these are rules provided by whoever employs you at your "sometimes JOB." Are you saying then that your "sometimes employer" is aware of your posting activity here on ATS and approves so long as you don't divulge any "Classified" information?

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
What I can say is there is evidence for anyone here to find.

Look at the Washington DC Newspapers in the Early 1950's and 1960's. This is when there twice were two massive E.T. Craft flyovers of DC in which the U.S. Military preferred to label these craft as E.T. rather than Soviet as to label them Soviet was considered dangerous to the public as people were actually less frightened of the thought that those craft were E.T. rather than Soviet Craft penetrating our most sensitive airspace.

Split Infinity

Is there any evidence which doesn't have a potential terrestrial explanation? So far I haven't seen any, including the DC events. Please do list out some other things which are acceptable within the rules of your "sometimes JOB."

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
I know that is not much to go on for you but it makes no difference to me whether you believe me or not.

Good thing, because I don't believe you. With all due respect, of course.

I am, however, willing to investigate any actual evidence which supports your story if you'd like to place it on the table for the sake of scrutiny.

Cheers.

I don't believe that the U.S. has in its possession, any type of "alien" machinery.

Firstly, where would we have recovered this from? I find any allegations that a UFO crash could occur, and go unnoticed by the general public to be dubious at best.

It's obvious to me that the UFO phenomenon is still occurring, but yet there are almost ZERO reports of crashes. So, either the military has gotten better at recovering downed discs, or the UFO occupants have honed their flying skills over the last 65 years...

I'm also trying to determine how traveling through interstellar/dimensional space, moving at light speed, etc. can be achieved successfully, but a simple lightning strike or "radar dish" can bring a craft down.

I'm sorry, but it all stinks to high heaven.

I've seen UFOs on two very distinct separate occasions, lest anyone call me a naysayer; however, that being said, I have seen little in the way of evidence that would suggest that the US Government is in possession of technology from "somewhere else".

A lot of the testimonies are contradictory, and the shady characters involved cast an even darker shadow on the whole affair.

Let's argue that the US *does* have operational alien hardware at its disposal, what's the point of the secrecy? Why not break out some Flying Saucers and take over the planet? We didn't waste so much as a minute, going from experimental (Trinity) to operational (Hiroshima), and, pardon me for being smug, but I find nuclear weaponry a more dangerous technological development than a fast-moving aircraft.

The US already outspends its competition by magnitudes militarily, so what's the point of sitting on advanced aeronautical designs for over a half-century? If we were deep into the research, and had produced functional designs, short of enemy recovery and reverse-engineering, we'd have a 65 year head start. I find it more likely that we have conventional aircraft, albeit of a sufficiently advanced nature, that, say China or Russia could rip off rather easily, if enough information was divulged.

If we'd been undergoing over a half-century's worth of research into some sort of advanced propulsion system, snatched up from little green men, shouldn't there be some sort of demonstrable hardware to show for it? Either that, or in 65 years we have gotten absolutely NOWHERE in the research, so there was no choice but to keep it hidden.

I'm not attempting to be "Debbie Downer", but I haven't seen anything that could fully convince me that the US has recovered alien hardware in its arsenal. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but there ain't no smoking gun, as far as I'm concerned.

Originally posted by AllenBishop
It's obvious to me that the UFO phenomenon is still occurring, but yet there are almost ZERO reports of crashes. So, either the military has gotten better at recovering downed discs, or the UFO occupants have honed their flying skills over the last 65 years...

I'm also trying to determine how traveling through interstellar/dimensional space, moving at light speed, etc. can be achieved successfully, but a simple lightning strike or "radar dish" can bring a craft down.

Captain Cook travelled intercontinentally with advanced propulsion for the time. He had advanced celestial navigation, clocks and artillery. He was killed by an angry native on some island who whacked his head with a club.

Now I agree with your skepticism, but you can imagine that if hypothetically ETs were coming here and then visiting in their scout craft, they might not have expected powerful continuous sinusoidal microwaves. In their world, such beams would be illegal for the problems they could induce in vehicles. Note also that by 1947, humans had radically increased the power and capability of their radar systems from just a few years earlier thanks to the perfection of the cavity magnetron. The suddenly unexpectedly powerful CW radar could have upset some navigation equipment.

And perhaps even for ET interstellar travel and gravitational crafts are advanced, difficult, expensive and fiddly technology. Humans have had very very expensive remote craft crash on Mars because of a simple failure of a switch or sensor on the descent just a few meters above the surface.

Let's argue that the US *does* have operational alien hardware at its disposal, what's the point of the secrecy? Why not break out some Flying Saucers and take over the planet? We didn't waste so much as a minute, going from experimental (Trinity) to operational (Hiroshima), and, pardon me for being smug, but I find nuclear weaponry a more dangerous technological development than a fast-moving aircraft.

The US already outspends its competition by magnitudes militarily, so what's the point of sitting on advanced aeronautical designs for over a half-century? If we were deep into the research, and had produced functional designs, short of enemy recovery and reverse-engineering, we'd have a 65 year head start.

I mostly agree with you but there can be an alternate hypothesis. Suppose the 'reverse engineering' gets shunted off into a very deep black agency and institution. For security nearly all ties to the regular military are cut. Now continue for 50 years. Now, nobody has any authority or knowledge to move it back over! Everybody is doing their own jobs but there's nobody there who knows everything and has authority to tell the elected civilian government and even let them do this. It could have morphed into its own hermetic bubble, bumping along and making slow progress but without sufficient funding, scale or connection to the real scientific world.

Another consideration: suppose there are some new physical principles to enable warp drive or whatever. What's the chance that such physics also might be easily repurposed to very dangerous weapons of mass destruction?

We are very lucky with nuclear weapons. Today, the basic technology for a Hiroshima style bomb is easily within the grasp of any significant organization with a moderate level of ability, e.g. the technology to build artillery. The problem is that the fissile material is extremely expensive and difficult to extract and requires a huge infrastructure. Suppose it weren't so. Suppose full scale nuclear weapons could be developed using naturally occurring uranium, i.e. mostly U-238? What that world be like? It could be disasterous---IRA, Taliban, al-Qaeda would already have a number of bombs---and somebody like Iran could make thousands. Dozens of cities over the last few decades would already have been obliterated. Uranium mines in Africa would be invaded and destroyed by external forces---and no nuclear power reactors would have been built because the infrastructure for just making reactor uranium could be so easily diverted to weapons.

Suppose hypothetically, knowing the physics for a nice flying saucer could also make H-bomb level weaponry without requiring any extremely expensive materials, just some unusual and clever application of standard industrial compounds.

What would you do? Maybe a cover-up is a really really good idea.

I find it more likely that we have conventional aircraft, albeit of a sufficiently advanced nature, that, say China or Russia could rip off rather easily, if enough information was divulged.



If we'd been undergoing over a half-century's worth of research into some sort of advanced propulsion system, snatched up from little green men, shouldn't there be some sort of demonstrable hardware to show for it? Either that, or in 65 years we have gotten absolutely NOWHERE in the research, so there was no choice but to keep it hidden.

I'm not attempting to be "Debbie Downer", but I haven't seen anything that could fully convince me that the US has recovered alien hardware in its arsenal. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but there ain't no smoking gun, as far as I'm concerned.

edit on 12-12-2012 by AllenBishop because: Typing on a smartphone is not easy.

While I believe a cover-up is possible, I also bear in mind that government, especially in regards to Aerospace technologies, is woefully incapable of any type of production; the government is essentially a bureaucratic bunch of paper-pushers, performing oversight and procurement functions, NOT manufacturing duties.

The government simply isn't equipped to handle an operation that would include replicating and producing beyond state-of-the-art aircraft in any type of numbers. I will argue that I don't believe it is possible for the US Military to possess, manufacture, or maintain anything remotely resembling a fleet of reverse-engineered alien vehicles.

Now, is it possible that tertiary discoveries, gleaned from research on a recovered craft, are put into applications derived from said research?

I don't outright dismiss the possibility that a research team could be assembled to "shoplift" applicapable technologies that are byproducts of the primary study of the vehicle itself.

That being said, to suggest that the US Government has replicated alien technology, into fully operational vehicles, to me, is utter science fiction.

I would love to see an RFQ Solicitation from AF Materiel Command looking for qualified contractors to perform work on a Flying Saucer.

"(1) Relevant Experience to include performing engineering, manufacturing, inspection, and testing of similar Anti-Gravity Devices in the last 5 years."

I do believe it possible that They have/had some type of artifact/Technology.I have no solid proof in order to believe,I just do.

Originally posted by Alien Abduct
So, whats the results? I missed it I guess. Did you already make the new thread with the results?


-Alien

Just to let you and everyone else know. I will tally the results after 30 days ending on the 27th I believe. This will give everyone enough time to see this topic and thus give us a wide selection of responses.

Thanks,
Split Infinity

reply to post by johnthejedi24


The vast majority of UFO sightings are simply USAF aircraft. The ridiculously vast number of abduction claims which in my opinion and others is a gift to the AGENCY as these kind of made up claims just does their job for them.

Very real experiences with anything E.T. are limited due to treaty. If you happen to ever notice a craft taking an interest in you...RUN! Get to the nearest population center. Nothing good can come of it.

Split Infinity

reply to post by AllenBishop


You are more right than you know...and wrong at the same time. An analogy to the current state of the Agency that disseminates E.T. Tech to various U.S. Military vendors of research and development.

A Monkey does not understand what a gun is nor does it understand how to build one or how it works. BUT THAT MONKEY CAN PULL THE TRIGGER!

Split Infinity

Originally posted by rigel4
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

No ...They have recovered no ET craft as they are not here yet... probs

I agree. It is more likely that the advanced Tech is ours. Imho Aliens are from the past, present or future Earth Humanoids. Strange how the "Alien"religion has evolved in the last 10 Years...."Government... Disclosure (Yeah we made it all up!)

Originally posted by DrFeelgoodXXX

Originally posted by rigel4
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

Strange how the "Alien"religion has evolved in the last 10 Years...."Government... Disclosure (Yeah we made it all up!)

Don't forget the "Alien Religion" about "Space Brothers", "Pleideans", "Reptililan Shape-Shifters", and all the New Age, Kumbaya-BS that goes along with it...

reply to post by SplitInfinity


Absolutly. 100% with no doubt in my mind.
As to whether they are extra terestrial or inter dimensional... I am still as yet, undecided on that one.

Originally posted by Pineapples101
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

Absolutly. 100% with no doubt in my mind.
As to whether they are extra terestrial or inter dimensional... I am still as yet, undecided on that one.

When I hit my post count I am starting a thread on this.

I am extremely skeptical of the extraterrestrial origins, for reasons I will explain in my thread.

There are a lot of things with the E.T. Theory that don't jive, as far as I'm concerned, and I'm interested in hearing others' opinions on the issue.

Maybe the aliens have appropriated some of our technology as well. Who knows, maybe they really like the toaster, but instead of bread they use it to toast pancakes.

As to the question of the thread, it would not surprise me if it were the case, though i have no first hand evidence to suggest it to be true. It could be that humanity is just really innovative as well.

There is also the possibility that any technology recovered is too baffling for our teams of top scientists to understand well enough to be able to back engineer. There is also the hypothesis out there that technology has been given to us from 'them' (whoever 'they' are) in exchange for something from us.

I don't know, nothing would really surprise me at this point. Maybe everything is true. However, i am rather disappointed that we aren't driving around hover cars yet. Science fiction has teased me for too long, WHEN DO WE GET HOVERCARS?! I demand answers!

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
1 believes the GERMANY/ U.S. / RUSSIA & CHINA/ INDIA poss. has recovered E.T. Craft as well as E.T. Tech?

reply to post by SplitInfinity


For purposes of the poll, I will say that I *DO* believe that there has been some kind of recovery of off-world hardware.

That being said, it's a gut feeling, and I've yet to come across any hard, consistent testimony from an ironclad witness.

reply to post by Pineapples101


They are E.T.

Split Infinity